(12-08-2017 12:38 PM)fsquid Wrote: Of course some didn't vote for him simply because he is black. I'm sure there were some who didn't vote for Hilary because she's a woman. Heck, the DNC didn't want Carter to get nominated simply because he was from the south.
and some didn't vote for DJT b/c he was orange.....wtfe
arguing bias is as silly as expecting the yolk to be runny in a hard boiled egg.....
most people are smart enough to sift through the bs.....
it's now the day-to-day msm hyperbole that stirs that bs on a daily basis.....
But the very day to day hyperbole that you complain about is also being done by Trump himself.
When he tweets about Muslim immigrants, when he tweets about "illegals". When he tweets about shootings in Chicago.
So while you complain about the MSM hyping racism on TV, our POTUS is doing exactly the same thing on Twitter.
What say you about that?
can you provide a DJT tweet that demonstrates racism.......or is it simply your spew is salty and braided as the resident troll????
(12-08-2017 12:20 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: I grew up in rural Ohio (pop. 2,000). I remember canvassing for Obama in 2012 for his reelection. Out of the maybe 40 people I talked to that day, I had at least 3 people slam the door on me after saying they weren't gonna vote for a N*****. I also remember being at bars in the area and hearing the N-word quite often from respected members of the community after they've had a few pints. If I had taken a shot for every time I heard it that night, I probably would have needed my stomach pumped.
I don't believe the majority of Republicans are racist. I also don't think Trump is a racist.... although I do think he has inherent bias... Which if we're being honest... A lot of us do. Myself included. But I do think Trump and his cohorts are using racial undertones and dog whistles to play to the crowd that IS explicitly racist. I'm not sure how large that group of people are, but I'm willing to bet that it isn't insignificant.
Well, I grew up in a small rural town in Ohio as well. (pop. 5,000) In fact, considering where you went to University you obviously drove through it often - I still live in what could be considered a smaller rural area.
Have I ever heard that word used - of course. But I can tell you it isn't common. Additionally, Obama's policies aren't looked at favorably in almost any rural area in the United States, not just Ohio.
There are some racists anywhere and everywhere, but please explain how Obama could ever win the presidency if the majority of white people are racist? The answer is he couldn't...
If its a town along 33, I believe I know which one you're talking about. And I agree with you. I stated I don't believe the majority of Republicans, nor white people are racist. Although, I do think there is a not insignificant population of people who are.
And I'm not saying I heard the N-word on a daily basis or anything. I did hear it A LOT in high school. Granted, it was coming from immature teenagers who now-a-days probably feel badly about it and wouldn't say it again.
But there were moments in my adult life back in my hometown where grown men would refer to the local high school's black runningback as a N*****. I remember a drunk guy at a bar in Mansfield near the steel mill opine about how much better it would be if whites only married whites and blacks only married blacks. I remember a guy at the American Legion in town bitching about J.T. Barrett saying he wished OSU had a white quarterback instead.
What I'm saying is that I think most people aren't racist, but there has been enough experiences in my life that I know that it still very much exists and there still is an uncomfortable amount of people who still are blatantly racist.
I was born in that area and still have family there as well. There aren't too many true Republicans in that part of the state. The people in those communities have been voting Democrat for 60 years-- at the national, state and local levels. They are Blue Dog Democrats.
Yes, they didn't vote for Obama and they didn't vote for Hillary, but that was because their politics was too far to the left for their taste, particularly on issues of abortion, gun control and energy. OTOH, I bet if you start talking to those folks about the role of government and government they are more aligned with the Democratic Party.
(12-08-2017 12:20 PM)BobcatEngineer Wrote: I grew up in rural Ohio (pop. 2,000). I remember canvassing for Obama in 2012 for his reelection. Out of the maybe 40 people I talked to that day, I had at least 3 people slam the door on me after saying they weren't gonna vote for a N*****. I also remember being at bars in the area and hearing the N-word quite often from respected members of the community after they've had a few pints. If I had taken a shot for every time I heard it that night, I probably would have needed my stomach pumped.
I don't believe the majority of Republicans are racist. I also don't think Trump is a racist.... although I do think he has inherent bias... Which if we're being honest... A lot of us do. Myself included. But I do think Trump and his cohorts are using racial undertones and dog whistles to play to the crowd that IS explicitly racist. I'm not sure how large that group of people are, but I'm willing to bet that it isn't insignificant.
Well, I grew up in a small rural town in Ohio as well. (pop. 5,000) In fact, considering where you went to University you obviously drove through it often - I still live in what could be considered a smaller rural area.
Have I ever heard that word used - of course. But I can tell you it isn't common. Additionally, Obama's policies aren't looked at favorably in almost any rural area in the United States, not just Ohio.
There are some racists anywhere and everywhere, but please explain how Obama could ever win the presidency if the majority of white people are racist? The answer is he couldn't...
If its a town along 33, I believe I know which one you're talking about. And I agree with you. I stated I don't believe the majority of Republicans, nor white people are racist. Although, I do think there is a not insignificant population of people who are.
And I'm not saying I heard the N-word on a daily basis or anything. I did hear it A LOT in high school. Granted, it was coming from immature teenagers who now-a-days probably feel badly about it and wouldn't say it again.
But there were moments in my adult life back in my hometown where grown men would refer to the local high school's black runningback as a N*****. I remember a drunk guy at a bar in Mansfield near the steel mill opine about how much better it would be if whites only married whites and blacks only married blacks. I remember a guy at the American Legion in town bitching about J.T. Barrett saying he wished OSU had a white quarterback instead.
What I'm saying is that I think most people aren't racist, but there has been enough experiences in my life that I know that it still very much exists and there still is an uncomfortable amount of people who still are blatantly racist.
Oh, I'm not saying I have never heard it. But think about it.......those you describe are all old men now - most probably in retirement. There will always be some people that are racist - both ways, but as time moves on, I believe it is less and less an issue.
The media plays it up for all they are worth because it garners clicks - they use it as a money maker. But I bet that for the majority of regular people, they interact on a day to day basis and it's not something that they see........ I could be wrong as I can only go on what I see, but what I normally see are cordial, polite interactions.........
what too many don't realize, it has nothing to do with color........it's simply about culture, wits, and the USD....
cliques are here to stay.....the ones that can't accept that fact???? ......that's their problem....
(12-08-2017 02:30 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: I was born in that area and still have family there as well. There aren't too many true Republicans in that part of the state. The people in those communities have been voting Democrat for 60 years-- at the national, state and local levels. They are Blue Dog Democrats.
Yes, they didn't vote for Obama and they didn't vote for Hillary, but that was because their politics was too far to the left for their taste, particularly on issues of abortion, gun control and energy. OTOH, I bet if you start talking to those folks about the role of government and government they are more aligned with the Democratic Party.
You're right on there. I found there were a surprising amount of Democrats in SE Ohio considering how rural it is. Athens is a gimme considering the huge influence of the University. But still, I've knocked on doors in Chauncey, Albany, Nelsonville, Coolville, etc. and there were still a decent amount of people voting blue, granted I don't think it was in the majority. In my opinion, if it wasn't for Democratic support for labor unions, we'd lose a huge chunk of those voters as well. I know the ALF-CIO still has a pretty sizable presence in the area.
I didn't vote for Oblunder simply because I didn't feel he was qualified which over his 8 years proved that. To me he was just a stupid, come at the right time for the Libturds, Muslim sympathizer, Socialist to the core, incompetent.
See, I never mentioned his color, but really, what is his color? Fit, you shouldn't have voted for him, after all, he was half white. Oh, I see, you voted for the Black OBlunder.
(12-08-2017 02:30 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: I was born in that area and still have family there as well. There aren't too many true Republicans in that part of the state. The people in those communities have been voting Democrat for 60 years-- at the national, state and local levels. They are Blue Dog Democrats.
Yes, they didn't vote for Obama and they didn't vote for Hillary, but that was because their politics was too far to the left for their taste, particularly on issues of abortion, gun control and energy. OTOH, I bet if you start talking to those folks about the role of government and government they are more aligned with the Democratic Party.
You're right on there. I found there were a surprising amount of Democrats in SE Ohio considering how rural it is. Athens is a gimme considering the huge influence of the University. But still, I've knocked on doors in Chauncey, Albany, Nelsonville, Coolville, etc. and there were still a decent amount of people voting blue, granted I don't think it was in the majority. In my opinion, if it wasn't for Democratic support for labor unions, we'd lose a huge chunk of those voters as well. I know the ALF-CIO still has a pretty sizable presence in the area.
This is the area where the United Mine Workers labor unions were started. SE Ohio politics have been influenced by that since the early 1900s - even though virtually all the mines are gone. Those folks type of Democrat party is very different than what is going on today - they still have conservative values..........
(12-08-2017 12:38 PM)fsquid Wrote: Of course some didn't vote for him simply because he is black. I'm sure there were some who didn't vote for Hilary because she's a woman. Heck, the DNC didn't want Carter to get nominated simply because he was from the south.
I bet more people voted for him because he is black than voted against him because he's black. Well maybe not bet because I don't want to welsh, but I hypothesize.
(12-08-2017 11:04 AM)Fitbud Wrote: Is anyone really surprised. Make America Great Again is simply a rehash of "Take America Back".
It was a slogan that came out after Obama was elected.
Think about that for a moment. The GOP started saying "Take America Back" after our first collectivist/socialist/communist president was elected.
How profound.
As if we somehow lost America to the evil collectivist/socialist/communist man and we somehow had to take drastic measures to wrestle it back from them.
Thus, voter I.D.
Voter ID is the rule in the rest of the world. It is not the rule here because one party wants to be able to stuff ballot boxes with illegal votes. There is no other reason not to have it. Period.
(12-08-2017 11:04 AM)Fitbud Wrote: Is anyone really surprised. Make America Great Again is simply a rehash of "Take America Back".
It was a slogan that came out after Obama was elected.
Think about that for a moment. The GOP started saying "Take America Back" after our first black president was elected.
How profound.
As if we somehow lost America to the evil black man and we somehow had to take drastic measures to wrestle it back from them.
Thus, voter I.D.
Do we really need to discuss the differences between the parties when it comes to race?
Keep in mind the history of the dems through the civil war on up through the 60s and beyond.
Slave owners, Jim Crow, they were Democrats. The creation of HBCUs were creations of white Republicans. Democrats re captured the slave vote in big cities. Those Mulatto Quadroon Balls, in New Orleans, must have been fun though.
I have made no secret of the fact that I despised Obama. Not because of his race, but because of his policy ideas. He was nowhere near the center, and quite frankly I found efforts by media to portray him as a centrist to be incredibly annoying. You look at his voting record in Illinois and in the Senate (when he bothered to show up to vote) and he was on the far left extreme of even the democrats. We didn't need that, and don't now.
(12-08-2017 11:04 AM)Fitbud Wrote: Is anyone really surprised. Make America Great Again is simply a rehash of "Take America Back".
It was a slogan that came out after Obama was elected.
Think about that for a moment. The GOP started saying "Take America Back" after our first black president was elected.
How profound.
As if we somehow lost America to the evil black man and we somehow had to take drastic measures to wrestle it back from them.
Thus, voter I.D.
Why are so many of your posts tinged with racist hatred?
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Roy Moore remembers when America was great.
