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(12-08-2017 12:55 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UIC would jump at the chance to switch from the 30th RPI conference to 7th and add 4 in-state rivals in a New York minute, just like Valparaiso and Milwaukee would’ve done last year when the disparity was just a few spots rather than 23.

7 and 30? Last year Missouri VAlley was #12 and Horizon was #18. And that was with Wichita STate. Oh, that's the number right now. I'm guessing that's an outlier, since losing Wichita State figures to hurt the Valley more than losing Valparaiso hurts the Horizon.

As for the in-state rivals, is there much interaction or rivalry between UIC and Valpo or Loyola? Are rivalries with Southern Illinois and Illinois State something UIC's administration wants to invest in?

I have a hard time seeing the logic in moving from one one-bid league to another, when there's not some strong cultural or geographic reason for the move.

EDIT: But obviously schools move between one-bid leagues all the time, so I'm missing something.
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RE: Southern Illinois Coach: "We have to Expand"
(12-08-2017 02:00 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 12:55 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UIC would jump at the chance to switch from the 30th RPI conference to 7th and add 4 in-state rivals in a New York minute, just like Valparaiso and Milwaukee would’ve done last year when the disparity was just a few spots rather than 23.

7 and 30? Last year Missouri VAlley was #12 and Horizon was #18. And that was with Wichita STate. Oh, that's the number right now. I'm guessing that's an outlier, since losing Wichita State figures to hurt the Valley more than losing Valparaiso hurts the Horizon.

As for the in-state rivals, is there much interaction or rivalry between UIC and Valpo or Loyola? Are rivalries with Southern Illinois and Illinois State something UIC's administration wants to invest in?

I have a hard time seeing the logic in moving from one one-bid league to another, when there's not some strong cultural or geographic reason for the move.

EDIT: But obviously schools move between one-bid leagues all the time, so I'm missing something.

It’s a moot point as I think they’ll look south to Murray and Arkansas Tech.
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RE: Southern Illinois Coach: "We have to Expand"
The Horizon will take IPFW and Robert Morris regardless of what the MVC does.

If the MVC takes UIC or Milwaukee, the Horizon can take SIUE or Lipscomb.

Robert Morris may get an invite to the MVFC along with Murray St, which will get a full MVC offer.
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(12-08-2017 02:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Horizon will take IPFW and Robert Morris regardless of what the MVC does.

If the MVC takes UIC or Milwaukee, the Horizon can take SIUE or Lipscomb.

Robert Morris may get an invite to the MVFC along with Murray St, which will get a full MVC offer.

Robert Morris is not getting an invite to the MVFC. This is one of your silly ideas to get your dream league.
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(12-08-2017 02:50 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 02:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Horizon will take IPFW and Robert Morris regardless of what the MVC does.

If the MVC takes UIC or Milwaukee, the Horizon can take SIUE or Lipscomb.

Robert Morris may get an invite to the MVFC along with Murray St, which will get a full MVC offer.

Robert Morris is not getting an invite to the MVFC. This is one of your silly ideas to get your dream league.

But if you say something enough times, it will come true, right?
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(12-08-2017 02:50 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 02:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Horizon will take IPFW and Robert Morris regardless of what the MVC does.

If the MVC takes UIC or Milwaukee, the Horizon can take SIUE or Lipscomb.

Robert Morris may get an invite to the MVFC along with Murray St, which will get a full MVC offer.

Robert Morris is not getting an invite to the MVFC. This is one of your silly ideas to get your dream league.
Mo St needs one MVFC win.

WIU must be scared silly now that the Summit -North has a mbb schedule alliance with the Big Sky-North and should be talking with the OVC.

WIU would have to be replaced by Robert Morris. UND and Murray St already make 12.
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(12-08-2017 03:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 02:50 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 02:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Horizon will take IPFW and Robert Morris regardless of what the MVC does.

If the MVC takes UIC or Milwaukee, the Horizon can take SIUE or Lipscomb.

Robert Morris may get an invite to the MVFC along with Murray St, which will get a full MVC offer.

Robert Morris is not getting an invite to the MVFC. This is one of your silly ideas to get your dream league.

WIU must be scared silly now that the Summit -North has a mbb schedule alliance with the Big Sky-North and should be talking with the OVC.

WIU would have to be replaced by Robert Morris. UND and Murray St already make 12.

Why are they supposed to be SCARED? Worst case scenario, they end up in a league with the Dakotas and Idaho. That's a lot of travel, yes, and maybe then they'd move to the OVC.

And the MVFC has bigger problems than replacing Western Illinois--they have to deal with the departures of half the league to the Great Northern project. Don't you even remember the dream?
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(12-08-2017 03:16 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 03:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 02:50 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 02:43 PM)NoDak Wrote:  The Horizon will take IPFW and Robert Morris regardless of what the MVC does.

If the MVC takes UIC or Milwaukee, the Horizon can take SIUE or Lipscomb.

Robert Morris may get an invite to the MVFC along with Murray St, which will get a full MVC offer.

Robert Morris is not getting an invite to the MVFC. This is one of your silly ideas to get your dream league.

WIU must be scared silly now that the Summit -North has a mbb schedule alliance with the Big Sky-North and should be talking with the OVC.

WIU would have to be replaced by Robert Morris. UND and Murray St already make 12.

Why are they supposed to be SCARED? Worst case scenario, they end up in a league with the Dakotas and Idaho. That's a lot of travel, yes, and maybe then they'd move to the OVC.

And the MVFC has bigger problems than replacing Western Illinois--they have to deal with the departures of half the league to the Great Northern project. Don't you even remember the dream?

The Great Northern Conference has not been announced yet. If the MVFC has the brains of this board, they are in denial that it happens. If they believe it happens, they get Robert Morris too.
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(12-08-2017 12:49 PM)freshtop Wrote:  Let's just send Football to the shadow realm that is independence and join the MVC for all other sports.

Ironically if SLU would have said yes to the MVC back in 2005, then Western Kentucky doesn't upgrade football and joins the MVC.
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(12-08-2017 02:00 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 12:55 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  UIC would jump at the chance to switch from the 30th RPI conference to 7th and add 4 in-state rivals in a New York minute, just like Valparaiso and Milwaukee would’ve done last year when the disparity was just a few spots rather than 23.

7 and 30? Last year Missouri VAlley was #12 and Horizon was #18. And that was with Wichita STate. Oh, that's the number right now. I'm guessing that's an outlier, since losing Wichita State figures to hurt the Valley more than losing Valparaiso hurts the Horizon.

As for the in-state rivals, is there much interaction or rivalry between UIC and Valpo or Loyola? Are rivalries with Southern Illinois and Illinois State something UIC's administration wants to invest in?

I have a hard time seeing the logic in moving from one one-bid league to another, when there's not some strong cultural or geographic reason for the move.

EDIT: But obviously schools move between one-bid leagues all the time, so I'm missing something.

MVC is the stronger sports league across the board. Multiple bids in volleyball, baseball, etc. Better television exposure in the region. Better opportunities in MTE events in men's basketball.
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