(12-10-2017 12:39 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  College BB is broken and is the only sport with an ongoing FBI investigation going on. The kids in Memphis are all in AAU basketball and they expect to get paid. Were no longer paying I presume so they are going elsewhere. College basketball is headed for the sports wilderness. Just yesterday The #1 team in the country was beaten in a stunning upset and crickets. First time a #1 has lost to an unranked team since the 90's. I have not brought it up in conversation and have not had anyone even mention it. People just aren't watching outside of the core fan bases at BB schools. If we are indeed now a "football school" I'm good with it. The jury is still out on that but the only time we garnered the attention we have this year was our natty run in BB. That in itself speaks volumes.

College basketball isn't what it was. First, it's not fresh and new to the public consciousness and second the best players don't stay for long. It had a good 40 year run but the only people that will care about it soon is alums and students. The last really good team was 10 years ago and most of the rest were 15-20 years ago.

The quality isn't what it was.

(12-10-2017 11:19 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  as someone who sat through Larry's final 16-15 season, followed by Tic Price going 13-15 and Johnny Jones going 15-16.....I can honestly say I've seen Memphis far worse.

The roster on Finch's last team was multitudes better than our current roster. Cedric Henderson, Chris Garner, and Sunday Adebayo were all much better than anything on our current roster. Furthermore, that team beat the number 4 team in the nation(Michigan), beat a top 10 Louisville twice, beat a top 10 Cincy, and a ranked Tulane. That was a talented team that played a ridiculous schedule.

Do you think this years Tigers can have 4 Top 10 wins? Hell no.

Tic's 13-15 team is probably a good comparison....although Omar Sneed was really good.

(12-10-2017 04:15 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 12:39 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  College BB is broken and is the only sport with an ongoing FBI investigation going on. The kids in Memphis are all in AAU basketball and they expect to get paid. Were no longer paying I presume so they are going elsewhere. College basketball is headed for the sports wilderness. Just yesterday The #1 team in the country was beaten in a stunning upset and crickets. First time a #1 has lost to an unranked team since the 90's. I have not brought it up in conversation and have not had anyone even mention it. People just aren't watching outside of the core fan bases at BB schools. If we are indeed now a "football school" I'm good with it. The jury is still out on that but the only time we garnered the attention we have this year was our natty run in BB. That in itself speaks volumes.

College basketball isn't what it was. First, it's not fresh and new to the public consciousness and second the best players don't stay for long. It had a good 40 year run but the only people that will care about it soon is alums and students. The last really good team was 10 years ago and most of the rest were 15-20 years ago.

The quality isn't what it was.

College basketball isn't what it was? Viewer analytics would disagree with you. College basketball is only getting bigger.

http://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/...viewership

Quote:CBS Sports and Turner Sports’ coverage of the 2017 NCAA Tournament is delivering strong audience growth through its first two weeks with fans engaging across television – up double-digits in viewership – record-setting streaming on NCAA March Madness Live, and all-time records for interactions by fans across social platforms.

The NCAA Tournament to date is averaging 9.8 million viewers through Sunday’s Regional Finals, up 10% from last year (8.9 million), making it the third most-watched tournament in 24 years. In addition, the NCAA Tournament is averaging a 6.0/13 rating/share, up +9% from 2016 (5.5/12).

This weekend’s Regional Finals on TBS (Saturday) and CBS (Sunday) averaged 10.2 million viewers and a 6.0/13 rating/share, both up +11% respectively from last year (9.2 million viewers and 5.4/11 rating/share).

Sunday’s Regional Final thriller between North Carolina and Kentucky was watched by an average of 15.5 million viewers, making it the second most-watched Regional Final game (Saturday or Sunday) since 2005 (17.9 million viewers). The game peaked with 22.1 million viewers from 7:15-7:30 p.m. ET. The Kentucky vs. North Carolina game is up +5% from the comparable game window on CBS in 2015 (Duke-Gonzaga).

In addition, NCAA March Madness Live has generated an all-time record 88 million live video streams during this year’s tournament, an increase of 31% over last year. Engagement across official March Madness social media handles continues to increase, garnering 53.5 million engagements through Sunday for an increase of 75% over last year.

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Don't give up Memphis. You are special to me, just like Gonzaga. UConn with their privileged associations in the Big East and secret handshaking societies can go down the drain for all I care (just kidding - ). You guys went against the current (like Gonzaga, like us) and achieved remarkable feats. All 3 of our programs are American success stories.


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Gee, that's great, people may still watch college basketball but it's still not what it was. There are no more great teams as there were in the 80's or even the 90's. They're great relative to one another but that's about it. The joy of watching a player grow from freshman to senior is gone at the highest levels. We didn't get to see Kobe grow from a baby face into a star or LeBron or countless players.

And now the sport is more corrupt than ever to boot. It's still cool but has peaked and declined.

The tourny is all anyone watches. But a regular season NFL game draws more..even with thier ratings down. Regular season college BB barely blips the meter. Most pull less that 500,000 viewers.
Tourny kills the regular season

http://time.com/money/4283816/ncaa-baske...streaming/
Then there is this...1975-2016

(12-10-2017 03:44 PM)grapes Wrote:  All I know is once Memphis basketball catches momentum again its going to be hard to stop.. Our fans are desperate and expect a lot. Get the right coach and players and the FedexForum will be absolutely rocking.

Enjoy our drought while you can.

GTG

Wichita State fans certainly aren’t enjoying your drought. We aren’t an MVC school.

(12-10-2017 12:39 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  College BB is broken and is the only sport with an ongoing FBI investigation going on. The kids in Memphis are all in AAU basketball and they expect to get paid. Were no longer paying I presume so they are going elsewhere. College basketball is headed for the sports wilderness. Just yesterday The #1 team in the country was beaten in a stunning upset and crickets. First time a #1 has lost to an unranked team since the 90's. I have not brought it up in conversation and have not had anyone even mention it. People just aren't watching outside of the core fan bases at BB schools. If we are indeed now a "football school" I'm good with it. The jury is still out on that but the only time we garnered the attention we have this year was our natty run in BB. That in itself speaks volumes.

Who is "we"? I don't recognize "MHS". Memphis high school?

Or, are you a Tiger fan?

On the assumption that you are from your "If we are indeed now a "football school" I'm good with it.", I totally agree. We ARE a football school now. Football DOES pay the bills, and if anyone doubts that (i.e. instead of basketball), I will be glad to explain it to you.

(12-13-2017 11:24 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 12:39 PM)dcg141 Wrote:  College BB is broken and is the only sport with an ongoing FBI investigation going on. The kids in Memphis are all in AAU basketball and they expect to get paid. Were no longer paying I presume so they are going elsewhere. College basketball is headed for the sports wilderness. Just yesterday The #1 team in the country was beaten in a stunning upset and crickets. First time a #1 has lost to an unranked team since the 90's. I have not brought it up in conversation and have not had anyone even mention it. People just aren't watching outside of the core fan bases at BB schools. If we are indeed now a "football school" I'm good with it. The jury is still out on that but the only time we garnered the attention we have this year was our natty run in BB. That in itself speaks volumes.

Who is "we"? I don't recognize "MHS". Memphis high school?


Or, are you a Tiger fan?

On the assumption that you are from your "If we are indeed now a "football school" I'm good with it.", I totally agree. We ARE a football school now. Football DOES pay the bills, and if anyone doubts that (i.e. instead of basketball), I will be glad to explain it to you.

MHS is my high school. The jury is still out that we sustain football at the level we are at now. I certainly hope we do. I'll admit I've never been a BB guy. Suffered thru decades of football mediocrity and watching us take a step forward to only take 4 steps back still sits in the back of my mind. But yea given current attendance football is for sure paying more bills than BB. I'm not anti BB. I wish we could get both in the top 20. But it still pisses me off that we pay BB head coaches more than we pay football.

Memphis fans are funny. When they came into the league, the talk about football was it was just a secondary item to them and their great basketball program is the real value. Now they suck at basketball and have a solid football program and they are saying basketball doesn't matter and football is everything.

That is weak. Don't downplay basketball just because your program isn't any good. Your school should be focusing on making it better. UC's football program has been gutted, but we don't sit around and pout about how football is stupid anyway. If a school or their fans aren't committed to making their athletic department great all around and not just in one sport while making excuses for the rest, then this isn't the league for you. That's G4 stuff. CUSA would be more your speed.

(12-14-2017 01:51 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Memphis fans are funny. When they came into the league, the talk about football was it was just a secondary item to them and their great basketball program is the real value. Now they suck at basketball and have a solid football program and they are saying basketball doesn't matter and football is everything.

That is weak. Don't downplay basketball just because your program isn't any good. Your school should be focusing on making it better. UC's football program has been gutted, but we don't sit around and pout about how football is stupid anyway. If a school or their fans aren't committed to making their athletic department great all around and not just in one sport while making excuses for the rest, then this isn't the league for you. That's G4 stuff. CUSA would be more your speed.

Then you obviously don't know much about Memphis fans. We still have more BB than FB hard core fans, and all of us want both sports to be successful. You can't go by one or 2 random comments on a message board. Most of those are sarcastic, anyway.

I guarantee you the school is committed to making both sports great (have been for about a decade now), as are the boosters who pay most of the salaries.

(12-14-2017 01:51 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Memphis fans are funny. When they came into the league, the talk about football was it was just a secondary item to them and their great basketball program is the real value. Now they suck at basketball and have a solid football program and they are saying basketball doesn't matter and football is everything.

That is weak. Don't downplay basketball just because your program isn't any good. Your school should be focusing on making it better. UC's football program has been gutted, but we don't sit around and pout about how football is stupid anyway. If a school or their fans aren't committed to making their athletic department great all around and not just in one sport while making excuses for the rest, then this isn't the league for you. That's G4 stuff. CUSA would be more your speed.

Wow, where in the blazes did this 'go back to CUSA' garbage come from?

(12-14-2017 01:51 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Memphis fans are funny. When they came into the league, the talk about football was it was just a secondary item to them and their great basketball program is the real value. Now they suck at basketball and have a solid football program and they are saying basketball doesn't matter and football is everything.

That is weak. Don't downplay basketball just because your program isn't any good. Your school should be focusing on making it better. UC's football program has been gutted, but we don't sit around and pout about how football is stupid anyway. If a school or their fans aren't committed to making their athletic department great all around and not just in one sport while making excuses for the rest, then this isn't the league for you. That's G4 stuff. CUSA would be more your speed.

Tiger basketball is resourced quite well (e.g., NBA arena, brand new state-of-the-art facility, and coach paid nearly $3M). It just takes the right coach and the Tigers will surge once again.

(12-14-2017 04:49 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 01:51 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Memphis fans are funny. When they came into the league, the talk about football was it was just a secondary item to them and their great basketball program is the real value. Now they suck at basketball and have a solid football program and they are saying basketball doesn't matter and football is everything.

That is weak. Don't downplay basketball just because your program isn't any good. Your school should be focusing on making it better. UC's football program has been gutted, but we don't sit around and pout about how football is stupid anyway. If a school or their fans aren't committed to making their athletic department great all around and not just in one sport while making excuses for the rest, then this isn't the league for you. That's G4 stuff. CUSA would be more your speed.

The Tiger basketball is resourced quite well (e.g., NBA arena, brand new state-of-the-art facility, and coach paid nearly $3M). It just takes the right coach and the Tigers will surge once again.

I agree. Weird how many people don’t think those qualities are a recipe for success though

(12-14-2017 01:51 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Memphis fans are funny. When they came into the league, the talk about football was it was just a secondary item to them and their great basketball program is the real value. Now they suck at basketball and have a solid football program and they are saying basketball doesn't matter and football is everything.

That is weak. Don't downplay basketball just because your program isn't any good. Your school should be focusing on making it better. UC's football program has been gutted, but we don't sit around and pout about how football is stupid anyway. If a school or their fans aren't committed to making their athletic department great all around and not just in one sport while making excuses for the rest, then this isn't the league for you. That's G4 stuff. CUSA would be more your speed.

I would like to suggest that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. I have been a robust contributor to this board, but moreso to the MT.org board since its inception. I have ALWAYS been a football-first guy, and there are plenty of my contemporaries that feel the same. You may have been listening to a specific group of posters that are the opposite, and gotten the impression that we are all the same, but I assure you, we are not.

And the biggest reason we got into the BigEast was a commitment to football, not a commitment to basketball.

(12-14-2017 01:51 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  If a school or their fans aren't committed to making their athletic department great all around and not just in one sport while making excuses for the rest, then this isn't the league for you. That's G4 stuff. CUSA would be more your speed.

Memphis has made as great a commitment to both basketball and football as any school in the conference. Our facilities for both are top notch and our pay for coaches is at the top of the league.

There is as much civic and fan support in Memphis for Tigers athletics as any city in conference.

(12-14-2017 04:41 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(12-14-2017 01:51 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Memphis fans are funny. When they came into the league, the talk about football was it was just a secondary item to them and their great basketball program is the real value. Now they suck at basketball and have a solid football program and they are saying basketball doesn't matter and football is everything.

That is weak. Don't downplay basketball just because your program isn't any good. Your school should be focusing on making it better. UC's football program has been gutted, but we don't sit around and pout about how football is stupid anyway. If a school or their fans aren't committed to making their athletic department great all around and not just in one sport while making excuses for the rest, then this isn't the league for you. That's G4 stuff. CUSA would be more your speed.

Then you obviously don't know much about Memphis fans. We still have more BB than FB hard core fans, and all of us want both sports to be successful. You can't go by one or 2 random comments on a message board. Most of those are sarcastic, anyway.

I guarantee you the school is committed to making both sports great (have been for about a decade now), as are the boosters who pay most of the salaries.

Perhaps they were sarcastic, but it gets hard to tell since I've seen it a few times.

My post was obviously inflammatory with the CUSA jab. I don't think Memphis is underfunding the BB program, as they obviously have the resources to be good. It was more of an eye roll at the talk that basketball doesn't matter.

I quite like Memphis and their fans. I prefer them over most of what we had in the oBE.

(12-11-2017 09:37 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(12-10-2017 11:19 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  as someone who sat through Larry's final 16-15 season, followed by Tic Price going 13-15 and Johnny Jones going 15-16.....I can honestly say I've seen Memphis far worse.

The roster on Finch's last team was multitudes better than our current roster. Cedric Henderson, Chris Garner, and Sunday Adebayo were all much better than anything on our current roster. Furthermore, that team beat the number 4 team in the nation(Michigan), beat a top 10 Louisville twice, beat a top 10 Cincy, and a ranked Tulane. That was a talented team that played a ridiculous schedule.

Do you think this years Tigers can have 4 Top 10 wins? Hell no.

Tic's 13-15 team is probably a good comparison....although Omar Sneed was really good.

that's all just opinion and didn't we beat a Final Four squad (South Carolina) last season?

perspective...

(12-14-2017 01:51 PM)stxrunner Wrote:  Memphis fans are funny. When they came into the league, the talk about football was it was just a secondary item to them and their great basketball program is the real value. Now they suck at basketball and have a solid football program and they are saying basketball doesn't matter and football is everything.

That is weak. Don't downplay basketball just because your program isn't any good. Your school should be focusing on making it better. UC's football program has been gutted, but we don't sit around and pout about how football is stupid anyway. If a school or their fans aren't committed to making their athletic department great all around and not just in one sport while making excuses for the rest, then this isn't the league for you. That's G4 stuff. CUSA would be more your speed.

lol, what a crock of crap...