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BW would demand travel subs from NMSU...and considering they will have a tough road ahead of them in Indy FBS they probably have better things to spend money on that travel subs to be in a Cali bus league.

GCU? You think the UC's will tolerate being in the same conference as a for-profit private Christian university? LOL.
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(12-07-2017 11:45 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  BW would demand travel subs from NMSU...and considering they will have a tough road ahead of them in Indy FBS they probably have better things to spend money on that travel subs to be in a Cali bus league.

GCU? You think the UC's will tolerate being in the same conference as a for-profit private Christian university? LOL.
No, I know all that and do agree.

Just as purely hypothetical political preference (without those issues factored in), NMSU or GCU?

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(12-07-2017 11:45 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  BW would demand travel subs from NMSU...and considering they will have a tough road ahead of them in Indy FBS they probably have better things to spend money on that travel subs to be in a Cali bus league.

GCU? You think the UC's will tolerate being in the same conference as a for-profit private Christian university? LOL.

GCU ends current effort to convert to nonprofit
https://news.gcu.edu/2016/03/gcu-ends-cu...nonprofit/

GCU tried going non-profit in 2016 but was denied. They'd need to do a lot groundwork to satisfy the regional accrediting body the Higher Learning Commission (HLC) requirements for non-profit status. GCU will probably regroup and try again when they're closer to the mark.

Pacific is non-profit Private United Methodist Church university that was in the BWC from 1971-2013. So there is a precedent for a christian school in the BWC. GCU just has to get their sh*t together as far as switching to the non-profit status.

GCU will probably build out then go for non-profit status later...
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(12-07-2017 11:54 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 11:45 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  BW would demand travel subs from NMSU...and considering they will have a tough road ahead of them in Indy FBS they probably have better things to spend money on that travel subs to be in a Cali bus league.

GCU? You think the UC's will tolerate being in the same conference as a for-profit private Christian university? LOL.
No, I know all that and do agree.

Just as purely hypothetical political preference (without those issues factored in), NMSU or GCU?

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Sorry my post was meant to be a general post on the OP, not a specific reply to your post. Hope that clears things up.
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(12-08-2017 12:04 AM)SDHornet Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 11:54 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 11:45 PM)SDHornet Wrote:  BW would demand travel subs from NMSU...and considering they will have a tough road ahead of them in Indy FBS they probably have better things to spend money on that travel subs to be in a Cali bus league.

GCU? You think the UC's will tolerate being in the same conference as a for-profit private Christian university? LOL.
No, I know all that and do agree.

Just as purely hypothetical political preference (without those issues factored in), NMSU or GCU?

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Sorry my post was meant to be a general post on the OP, not a specific reply to your post. Hope that clears things up.
No biggie, no worries.

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(12-07-2017 09:13 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  Ok, I'm standing here waiting for the Bako Christmas Parade to begin, so I'll play along.
Assuming the BW wants to go to an even 12, and assuming travel subs are no issue (to either party) and assuming both NMSU and GCU would be considered. Here's my question. Would one have a leg up over the other, considering the UC/CSU bloc politics? Who does Hawaii TEND to vote with on most matters; with UC, CSU, or are they REALLY unaligned on the issues to a large extent?

In other words, does Hawaii tend to sway issues one way and would the BW want a school that would tend to even things out?

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I follow UH athletics very closely but don't have any insider-type connections that would give me insights into UH's voting tendencies or influence on other Big West conference members.

Nonetheless I'm pretty confident UH would oppose adding GCU or NMSU to the conference. In GCU's case the issue would be institutional incompatibility stemming from GCU's for-profit status and poor academic credentials. In NMSU's case the issue would be travel; Honolulu to Las Cruces is a tough road trip.

I think UH would be fine with the Big West expanding to 12 with any academically respected university in Washington, Oregon or California with direct air service to and from Honolulu. Seattle would be acceptable, as would Portland State or Sac State if football were not an obstacle.
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(12-07-2017 07:15 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Hey stugray, the Big West entered today as the 11th ranked conference in RP for men's basketballI. The WAC is currently 18th.
May I ask where you got this information? KenPom has the WAC as the 19th best conference and the BW at 25th (out of 32). Did you perhaps confuse the BW with the WCC?
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(12-08-2017 12:13 PM)ProfScott Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 07:15 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Hey stugray, the Big West entered today as the 11th ranked conference in RP for men's basketballI. The WAC is currently 18th.
May I ask where you got this information? KenPom has the WAC as the 19th best conference and the BW at 25th (out of 32). Did you perhaps confuse the BW with the WCC?

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-conf-rpi.html
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(12-08-2017 02:34 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 09:13 PM)RunnerBall Wrote:  

I follow UH athletics very closely but don't have any insider-type connections that would give me insights into UH's voting tendencies or influence on other Big West conference members.

Nonetheless I'm pretty confident UH would oppose adding GCU or NMSU to the conference. In GCU's case the issue would be institutional incompatibility stemming from GCU's for-profit status and poor academic credentials. In NMSU's case the issue would be travel; Honolulu to Las Cruces is a tough road trip.

I think UH would be fine with the Big West expanding to 12 with any academically respected university in Washington, Oregon or California with direct air service to and from Honolulu. Seattle would be acceptable, as would Portland State or Sac State if football were not an obstacle.
Numerous times people have mentioned GCU's poor academic credentials on this site. Would someone please provide documentation for this? As I understand it, the average incoming GPA for students at GCU is around 3.4 with a very high graduating rate. In terms of online, I admit this is lower. However, all universities that start increasing their online presence tend to have a lower GPA and graduation rate for their non-traditional online students. It is the nature of the beast that these career students come and go. If we only compare apples to apples (traditional campus based students) how are GCU's academic credentials any different? Documentation please. Thanks.
Also please do not provide data that is 5+ years old. GCU is not the same university it was even 5 years ago. There are now 19,000+ students attending on campus. 5 years ago (2012) it was only about 4,000. In five years we have added state of the art STEM programs, improved the number and quality of full-time faculty, and raised the incoming GPA every single year. All while increasing enrollment tremendously.
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(12-08-2017 12:30 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(12-08-2017 12:13 PM)ProfScott Wrote:  
(12-07-2017 07:15 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  Hey stugray, the Big West entered today as the 11th ranked conference in RP for men's basketballI. The WAC is currently 18th.
May I ask where you got this information? KenPom has the WAC as the 19th best conference and the BW at 25th (out of 32). Did you perhaps confuse the BW with the WCC?

http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-conf-rpi.html
Thanks. I did not know you were referring to "live RPI" which fluctuates so much. Using live RPI then we can also say that UC Davis is currently the 18th best team in the nation (even though they lost to Utah Valley). I do not think college administrators would decide the quality of a basketball program on "live RPI" when discussing realignment possibilities.
http://www.rpiforecast.com/live-rpi.html
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