(12-07-2017 03:06 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 03:01 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  I will ask you the same thing I have asked others....

More time to do what exactly?

Rudd has said our expectations are top 10-15.

Is there anything at all you see happening that makes you believe Tubby will ever achieve top 10-15 here?

Next season will be just about the same as this season. Then half the team will leave. Then he has to start back from scratch. Where does this top 10-15 fall in at?

More time to rebuild the program... I can see why the future doesn't look positive with our current trend. But you're judging it at year 1.5. All i'm saying is to wait to make that judgement until at least after year two is complete. Lots of things can change (whether you believe that or not).

What can change? I would like to hear specifics really. At the end of the year, the best realistic scenario that would all of a sudden make the Tub viable?

(12-07-2017 02:01 PM)fsquid Wrote:  you can't even play devil's advocate about Tubby at this point.

Yes you can. Look what has happened to Al. Franken lately. They get rid of good guys this fast. Al. played by the book and paid the price. Tubby has played by the book and has paid the price. Things such as recruiting are not as clean as you think.

We brought in a player from NY (Mr. Basketball) to our team called Washington. I am not sure how Richard got him but he is having the hardest time to keep him on the roster. Keep wishing for a coach who can bring you these types of players. You will be paying for it too.

Go Tigers

(12-07-2017 02:07 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:28 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:47 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:43 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they are fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

So year 3 he's looking to add a player that's ranked outside of the top 300 and a yet to be named pg and a wing. Considering the staff's track record I'd expect a low 3 star and a juco.

So, basically, you are saying wait another year, miss out on the loaded 2019 class, and see maybe marginally better results because we just have to give him a 3rd year.

I couldn't care less about rankings. I've coached kids that are in the NBA now, and kids that weren't in the top 300 high school rankings... When you've been around the game as much as Tubby has, you know what you're looking for (and it isn't stars).

I'm not saying Tubby will be successful. I'm saying that he hasn't been given the time to be successful.

I'm glad you could care less, but you need to care more.

The players brought in this spring and summer show exactly why rankings are instructive.

I stand by my statement. I couldn't care less how these kids are ranked. Do rankings give some indication of how good they are or can be--- sometimes. But they miss quite a bit. Tubby has gotten kids with less stars than what Memphis has deemed "good enough" in the past (see both Hollins kids as examples) and utilized them very well on his teams.

The reason I don't care about rankings that much is because it depends on how the kid fits into your system. Anthony Miller, tremendous upside, overlooked in high school, fit into a great system at Memphis and is proving his worth.

I'm not defending Tubby's recruiting. They could all turn out poorly here. But to only hang your hat on recruiting is to re-live the same outcome we had a few years ago. Give it time, let it play out, and then make a decision.

That response doesn't really counter any of my assertions.

Recruiting does matter and it's been shown time and again that the teams in the top 25, the ones in the S16 and better are doing it with multiple top 75 type kids on their roster.

The side shot about Pastner having the recruiting but failing has zero to do with Tubby. It just shows Pastner's failures and doesn't in the least mean that rolling out 11 three stars is the key to top 25 rankings and deep tourney runs.

I believe you mention Tubby not getting top recruits and doing just fine. Well, the bottom line is he hasn't had a winning record in conference in the past 10 years and has won all of 1 tourney game in that time.

You then try to use Anthony Miller (of all people) as the rule rather than the exception. And that has been an issue of mine to those who tried to argue with me all spring and summer about the guys coming in. So many kept trying to point out the "Rob Gray's" that JUCO produces despite the fact many more "Stan Simpsons" come out. Furthermore, you use a FOOTBALL analogy to prove your point. Not even on the same planet.

Again, the state of the program is in peril. We are averaging 5,900 people a game ANNOUNCED. If this same team is trotted out next year we seriously need to consider having games in a banquet hall.

(12-07-2017 02:01 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:35 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:28 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:09 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:25 PM)TonyDaTiger Wrote:  Ok TeleTubbys, why?

As someone who sees no redeeming value in Tubby being our coach other than no having no worries about recruiting violations (can't violate recruiting rules if you don't recruit), what is the reason(s) you're still not off the Tubby train?

First because i don't believe anyone of us saw what was coming. Last year was an aberration. A culture had been established by the previous staff, and Tubby could not break through with that team and change that culture. This year with only two returning players he has a herculean task just to get them to trust each other and play up to their potential. Tubby is a lock to be a future Hall of Fame coach, so some of us believe he has earned an opportunity to improve this program and deserves our support. We believe he will bring the program back to respectability and fan worthy support. Of course there is a word for that.

Link?

yea, people keep saying that, but i'm not sure why.

go to thecomback.com search Tubby Smith click the importance of being Tubby Smith. You may have to enter thecomeback.com the link may not be working.

Many of us understand why.

I support the Memphis head coach and realize it’s not my job to hire or fire...we have a president and AD for that

(12-07-2017 03:13 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 02:01 PM)fsquid Wrote:  you can't even play devil's advocate about Tubby at this point.

Yes you can. Look what has happened to Al. Franken lately. They get rid of good guys this fast. Al. played by the book and paid the price. Tubby has played by the book and has paid the price. Things such as recruiting are not as clean as you think.

We brought in a player from NY (Mr. Basketball) to our team called Washington. I am not sure how Richard got him but he is having the hardest time to keep him on the roster. Keep wishing for a coach who can bring you these types of players. You will be paying for it too.

Go Tigers

Al Franken is a good guy???? Wow

(12-07-2017 03:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I support the Memphis head coach and realize it’s not my job to hire or fire...we have a president and AD for that

Yes, you have made it abundantly clear over the years that you support the HC more than you will ever support the program.

(12-07-2017 03:14 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  That response doesn't really counter any of my assertions.

Recruiting does matter and it's been shown time and again that the teams in the top 25, the ones in the S16 and better are doing it with multiple top 75 type kids on their roster.

The side shot about Pastner having the recruiting but failing has zero to do with Tubby. It just shows Pastner's failures and doesn't in the least mean that rolling out 11 three stars is the key to top 25 rankings and deep tourney runs.

I believe you mention Tubby not getting top recruits and doing just fine. Well, the bottom line is he hasn't had a winning record in conference in the past 10 years and has won all of 1 tourney game in that time.

You then try to use Anthony Miller (of all people) as the rule rather than the exception. And that has been an issue of mine to those who tried to argue with me all spring and summer about the guys coming in. So many kept trying to point out the "Rob Gray's" that JUCO produces despite the fact many more "Stan Simpsons" come out. Furthermore, you use a FOOTBALL analogy to prove your point. Not even on the same planet.

Again, the state of the program is in peril. We are averaging 5,900 people a game ANNOUNCED. If this same team is trotted out next year we seriously need to consider having games in a banquet hall.

The sky isn't falling saluki. It will be ok.

Regarding recruiting -- we are not going to suddenly start getting top 75 recruits. It ain't happening. With program success comes better recruits. So what do you do when your program is in the dumps? You find kids with upside, that have been overlooked, and you try to develop them and raise the bar, so that in the coming years, you have a better shot at those top 75 kids. It's not rocket science. I can't speak for Tubby, but if I were him, that's the approach I would be taking, knowing that it takes a few years of turning the ship around to have more success in recruiting. Judging his recruiting before he's had time to turn the ship around is where all of this discussion over getting ridding Tubby so quickly is coming from.

In regards to my Anthony Miller comment - just because you don't like the analogy doesn't mean it doesn't work. I don't care if it's basketball, baseball, football, etc., there are always kids that get overlooked or aren't ranked as high as they deserve. A coach who can go out and find those kids are the ones that can turn a program like ours around. I'm not saying Tubby can do this, just that he hasn't had time to prove whether or not he can.

(12-07-2017 03:39 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 03:14 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  That response doesn't really counter any of my assertions.

Recruiting does matter and it's been shown time and again that the teams in the top 25, the ones in the S16 and better are doing it with multiple top 75 type kids on their roster.

The side shot about Pastner having the recruiting but failing has zero to do with Tubby. It just shows Pastner's failures and doesn't in the least mean that rolling out 11 three stars is the key to top 25 rankings and deep tourney runs.

I believe you mention Tubby not getting top recruits and doing just fine. Well, the bottom line is he hasn't had a winning record in conference in the past 10 years and has won all of 1 tourney game in that time.

You then try to use Anthony Miller (of all people) as the rule rather than the exception. And that has been an issue of mine to those who tried to argue with me all spring and summer about the guys coming in. So many kept trying to point out the "Rob Gray's" that JUCO produces despite the fact many more "Stan Simpsons" come out. Furthermore, you use a FOOTBALL analogy to prove your point. Not even on the same planet.

Again, the state of the program is in peril. We are averaging 5,900 people a game ANNOUNCED. If this same team is trotted out next year we seriously need to consider having games in a banquet hall.

The sky isn't falling saluki. It will be ok.

Regarding recruiting -- we are not going to suddenly start getting top 75 recruits. It ain't happening. With program success comes better recruits. So what do you do when your program is in the dumps? You find kids with upside, that have been overlooked, and you try to develop them and raise the bar, so that in the coming years, you have a better shot at those top 75 kids. It's not rocket science. I can't speak for Tubby, but if I were him, that's the approach I would be taking, knowing that it takes a few years of turning the ship around to have more success in recruiting. Judging his recruiting before he's had time to turn the ship around is where all of this discussion over getting ridding Tubby so quickly is coming from.

In regards to my Anthony Miller comment - just because you don't like the analogy doesn't mean it doesn't work. I don't care if it's basketball, baseball, football, etc., there are always kids that get overlooked or aren't ranked as high as they deserve. A coach who can go out and find those kids are the ones that can turn a program like ours around. I'm not saying Tubby can do this, just that he hasn't had time to prove whether or not he can.

you are still just speaking in generalities and maybes and aren't proving whatever point you are making.

You say things could change and make it look better. What exactly? If the rankings on the players don't matter, shouldn't their overall ability and fit into the system matter?

We have a roster that has no post presence, no rim protecting, no outside shooting, and very poor defenders in space. So, those things right there don't change. You may see slight bumps in shooting percentages, but kids don't all of a sudden become markedly faster or jump higher by the time they are in their junior year in college.

So, again, other than just saying things that may or may not happen based on generalities and what ifs, what about the current direction (which you admit is bad) tells you that there is a need for a 3rd year that is tangible?

And please, tell me 1 thing that doesn't say the sky is falling? Attendence is at the lowest point in over 50 years, we are ranked below 150 in ken pom, we have the lowest recruiting class in our conference right now, and we are projected to finish 10th in the conference if you look at the current models.

Yes, our program is in the dumps, but with the natural advantages we have we shouldn't be struggling to sign top 200 kids from Memphis.

(12-07-2017 03:32 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 03:13 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 02:01 PM)fsquid Wrote:  you can't even play devil's advocate about Tubby at this point.

Yes you can. Look what has happened to Al. Franken lately. They get rid of good guys this fast. Al. played by the book and paid the price. Tubby has played by the book and has paid the price. Things such as recruiting are not as clean as you think.

We brought in a player from NY (Mr. Basketball) to our team called Washington. I am not sure how Richard got him but he is having the hardest time to keep him on the roster. Keep wishing for a coach who can bring you these types of players. You will be paying for it too.

Go Tigers

Al Franken is a good guy???? Wow

Maybe not in TN that is a red state but surely he is in MN that is mainly a blue state. He was getting too hard on some people about the Russian thing so he had to go.

(12-07-2017 04:14 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 03:32 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 03:13 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 02:01 PM)fsquid Wrote:  you can't even play devil's advocate about Tubby at this point.

Yes you can. Look what has happened to Al. Franken lately. They get rid of good guys this fast. Al. played by the book and paid the price. Tubby has played by the book and has paid the price. Things such as recruiting are not as clean as you think.

We brought in a player from NY (Mr. Basketball) to our team called Washington. I am not sure how Richard got him but he is having the hardest time to keep him on the roster. Keep wishing for a coach who can bring you these types of players. You will be paying for it too.

Go Tigers

Al Franken is a good guy???? Wow

Maybe not in TN that is a red state but surely he is in MN that is mainly a blue state. He was getting too hard on some people about the Russian thing so he had to go.

As in "Russian to try to grab boobies?"

And you said "too hard."

Huh huh.

(12-07-2017 04:00 PM)Dylan Wrote:  you are still just speaking in generalities and maybes and aren't proving whatever point you are making.

You say things could change and make it look better. What exactly? If the rankings on the players don't matter, shouldn't their overall ability and fit into the system matter?

We have a roster that has no post presence, no rim protecting, no outside shooting, and very poor defenders in space. So, those things right there don't change. You may see slight bumps in shooting percentages, but kids don't all of a sudden become markedly faster or jump higher by the time they are in their junior year in college.

So, again, other than just saying things that may or may not happen based on generalities and what ifs, what about the current direction (which you admit is bad) tells you that there is a need for a 3rd year that is tangible?

I'm not sure why you are so scrapped for specifics. It's really easy. What exactly can get better? A lot, but lets start with winning. Finishing ahead of expectations is a start.

If you fire a coach right now, you will never know whether or not the team could achieve better than expectations. Sure, we can look at this team and think they can't, but why not wait and see? That way if they don't achieve, by all means, pin it on the coaching staff.

(12-07-2017 04:00 PM)Dylan Wrote:  And please, tell me 1 thing that doesn't say the sky is falling? Attendence is at the lowest point in over 50 years, we are ranked below 150 in ken pom, we have the lowest recruiting class in our conference right now, and we are projected to finish 10th in the conference if you look at the current models.

You could always be a Tennessee fan. Buck up.

(12-07-2017 12:47 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:43 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they are fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

So year 3 he's looking to add a player that's ranked outside of the top 300 and a yet to be named pg and a wing. Considering the staff's track record I'd expect a low 3 star and a juco.

So, basically, you are saying wait another year, miss out on the loaded 2019 class, and see maybe marginally better results because we just have to give him a 3rd year.

I couldn't care less about rankings. I've coached kids that are in the NBA now, and kids that weren't in the top 300 high school rankings... When you've been around the game as much as Tubby has, you know what you're looking for (and it isn't stars).

I'm not saying Tubby will be successful. I'm saying that he hasn't been given the time to be successful.

"Hasn't been given time to be successful." This is bull****. The players are severely undermotivated and have no passion whatsoever. And, if they do, it doesn't show. To be successful, you have to give a **** and understand the passion and pride behind your fanbase and motivate the players to at least make an effort and as their leader, that falls squarely on his shoulders. When Tubby Smith just sits in his chair as we lose by 20 points to UAB and nearly lose to teams like Mercer...and he shows no passion, no anger, no effort to motivate the players: this is why people are pissed off and rightfully unwilling to give him any more of a chance. If he stood up, yelled, showed some passion and motivated the players...then you have a different story. At least he would be making an effort. This is about effort and its just not there. The recruiting effort is not there. The motivation of players is not there. The push to get them to buy in and understand the tradition and pride of Memphis basketball is not there. This is not why we pay him $3 million and this is why people want him gone. Make an effort of GTFO.

(12-07-2017 04:18 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:14 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 03:32 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 03:13 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 02:01 PM)fsquid Wrote:  you can't even play devil's advocate about Tubby at this point.

Yes you can. Look what has happened to Al. Franken lately. They get rid of good guys this fast. Al. played by the book and paid the price. Tubby has played by the book and has paid the price. Things such as recruiting are not as clean as you think.

We brought in a player from NY (Mr. Basketball) to our team called Washington. I am not sure how Richard got him but he is having the hardest time to keep him on the roster. Keep wishing for a coach who can bring you these types of players. You will be paying for it too.

Go Tigers

Al Franken is a good guy???? Wow

Maybe not in TN that is a red state but surely he is in MN that is mainly a blue state. He was getting too hard on some people about the Russian thing so he had to go.

As in "Russian to try to grab boobies?"

And you said "too hard."

Huh huh.

Crazy Saluk.

(12-07-2017 04:25 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:47 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:43 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they are fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

So year 3 he's looking to add a player that's ranked outside of the top 300 and a yet to be named pg and a wing. Considering the staff's track record I'd expect a low 3 star and a juco.

So, basically, you are saying wait another year, miss out on the loaded 2019 class, and see maybe marginally better results because we just have to give him a 3rd year.

I couldn't care less about rankings. I've coached kids that are in the NBA now, and kids that weren't in the top 300 high school rankings... When you've been around the game as much as Tubby has, you know what you're looking for (and it isn't stars).

I'm not saying Tubby will be successful. I'm saying that he hasn't been given the time to be successful.

"Hasn't been given time to be successful." This is bull****. The players are severely undermotivated and have no passion whatsoever. And, if they do, it doesn't show. To be successful, you have to give a **** and understand the passion and pride behind your fanbase and motivate the players to at least make an effort and as their leader, that falls squarely on his shoulders. When Tubby Smith just sits in his chair as we lose by 20 points to UAB and nearly lose to teams like Mercer...and he shows no passion, no anger, no effort to motivate the players: this is why people are pissed off and rightfully unwilling to give him any more of a chance. If he stood up, yelled, showed some passion and motivated the players...then you have a different story. At least he would be making an effort. This is about effort and its just not there. The recruiting effort is not there. The motivation of players is not there. The push to get them to buy in and understand the tradition and pride of Memphis basketball is not there. This is not why we pay him $3 million and this is why people want him gone. Make an effort of GTFO.

I guess that's why Josh got so long to be terrible. Jumped around a lot with passion.

(12-07-2017 04:30 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:25 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:47 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:43 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they are fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

So year 3 he's looking to add a player that's ranked outside of the top 300 and a yet to be named pg and a wing. Considering the staff's track record I'd expect a low 3 star and a juco.

So, basically, you are saying wait another year, miss out on the loaded 2019 class, and see maybe marginally better results because we just have to give him a 3rd year.

I couldn't care less about rankings. I've coached kids that are in the NBA now, and kids that weren't in the top 300 high school rankings... When you've been around the game as much as Tubby has, you know what you're looking for (and it isn't stars).

I'm not saying Tubby will be successful. I'm saying that he hasn't been given the time to be successful.

"Hasn't been given time to be successful." This is bull****. The players are severely undermotivated and have no passion whatsoever. And, if they do, it doesn't show. To be successful, you have to give a **** and understand the passion and pride behind your fanbase and motivate the players to at least make an effort and as their leader, that falls squarely on his shoulders. When Tubby Smith just sits in his chair as we lose by 20 points to UAB and nearly lose to teams like Mercer...and he shows no passion, no anger, no effort to motivate the players: this is why people are pissed off and rightfully unwilling to give him any more of a chance. If he stood up, yelled, showed some passion and motivated the players...then you have a different story. At least he would be making an effort. This is about effort and its just not there. The recruiting effort is not there. The motivation of players is not there. The push to get them to buy in and understand the tradition and pride of Memphis basketball is not there. This is not why we pay him $3 million and this is why people want him gone. Make an effort of GTFO.

I guess that's why Josh got so long to be terrible. Jumped around a lot with passion.

At least he made an effort.

(12-07-2017 04:33 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:30 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:25 PM)skunk100 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:47 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:43 PM)Dylan Wrote:  So year 3 he's looking to add a player that's ranked outside of the top 300 and a yet to be named pg and a wing. Considering the staff's track record I'd expect a low 3 star and a juco.

So, basically, you are saying wait another year, miss out on the loaded 2019 class, and see maybe marginally better results because we just have to give him a 3rd year.

I couldn't care less about rankings. I've coached kids that are in the NBA now, and kids that weren't in the top 300 high school rankings... When you've been around the game as much as Tubby has, you know what you're looking for (and it isn't stars).

I'm not saying Tubby will be successful. I'm saying that he hasn't been given the time to be successful.

"Hasn't been given time to be successful." This is bull****. The players are severely undermotivated and have no passion whatsoever. And, if they do, it doesn't show. To be successful, you have to give a **** and understand the passion and pride behind your fanbase and motivate the players to at least make an effort and as their leader, that falls squarely on his shoulders. When Tubby Smith just sits in his chair as we lose by 20 points to UAB and nearly lose to teams like Mercer...and he shows no passion, no anger, no effort to motivate the players: this is why people are pissed off and rightfully unwilling to give him any more of a chance. If he stood up, yelled, showed some passion and motivated the players...then you have a different story. At least he would be making an effort. This is about effort and its just not there. The recruiting effort is not there. The motivation of players is not there. The push to get them to buy in and understand the tradition and pride of Memphis basketball is not there. This is not why we pay him $3 million and this is why people want him gone. Make an effort of GTFO.

I guess that's why Josh got so long to be terrible. Jumped around a lot with passion.

At least he made an effort.

I won't fault his effort, but I won't mistake it for being effective.

(12-07-2017 04:20 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:00 PM)Dylan Wrote:  you are still just speaking in generalities and maybes and aren't proving whatever point you are making.

You say things could change and make it look better. What exactly? If the rankings on the players don't matter, shouldn't their overall ability and fit into the system matter?

We have a roster that has no post presence, no rim protecting, no outside shooting, and very poor defenders in space. So, those things right there don't change. You may see slight bumps in shooting percentages, but kids don't all of a sudden become markedly faster or jump higher by the time they are in their junior year in college.

So, again, other than just saying things that may or may not happen based on generalities and what ifs, what about the current direction (which you admit is bad) tells you that there is a need for a 3rd year that is tangible?

I'm not sure why you are so scrapped for specifics. It's really easy. What exactly can get better? A lot, but lets start with winning. Finishing ahead of expectations is a start.

If you fire a coach right now, you will never know whether or not the team could achieve better than expectations. Sure, we can look at this team and think they can't, but why not wait and see? That way if they don't achieve, by all means, pin it on the coaching staff.

(12-07-2017 04:00 PM)Dylan Wrote:  And please, tell me 1 thing that doesn't say the sky is falling? Attendence is at the lowest point in over 50 years, we are ranked below 150 in ken pom, we have the lowest recruiting class in our conference right now, and we are projected to finish 10th in the conference if you look at the current models.

You could always be a Tennessee fan. Buck up.

guess we should have given Larry Porter a 3rd year then...who knew?

(12-07-2017 12:44 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:37 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:35 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  The guy hasn't coached here for two years yet. That's the main reason why. Many teams wouldn't realize their success under a coach if they fired based on first-year (and half) results.

Regardless of sport, I think you've got to be patient for 2-3 years before you make a firing decision. If at the end of this season he has 0 more recruits and hasn't showed progress on the court with coaching these players up, then you begin to have those discussions.

Yes, but generally there is some type of recruiting happening during that period so you can actually see a product being built. With no recruiting, we are only going to improve slightly. Slight improvement is nowhere close to what we invest into the basketball program.

Fair, but as a Memphis fan, you (we) have been conditioned to think that recruiting is 90% of the battle, and coaching up is the other 10%... It's obvious that Tubby has a different philosophy. So sit back, support, and if his philosophy is doesn't work (in 2-3 years time) then begin the discussion of a new coach.

We're not used to not having the shiny top-50 kid. I get it. But the coach has a proven track record and I think it's very short sighted of us to jump ship when he hasn't had time to establish his style play and team.

Somebody get this guy a saddle, and make it fast.

(12-07-2017 12:51 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:48 PM)Titans3775 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:44 PM)Memphisgangsta Wrote:  Fair, but as a Memphis fan, you (we) have been conditioned to think that recruiting is 90% of the battle, and coaching up is the other 10%... It's obvious that Tubby has a different philosophy. So sit back, support, and if his philosophy is doesn't work (in 2-3 years time) then begin the discussion of a new coach.

We're not used to not having the shiny top-50 kid. I get it. But the coach has a proven track record and I think it's very short sighted of us to jump ship when he hasn't had time to establish his style play and team.

His style of play makes my eyes bleed. You can't win without talent and talent is something we won't have under his leadership.

Again - don't disagree with your assessment. But you haven't given him time to establish himself and prove if he can/can't bring in talent.

You're trolling or you're blind.

He is on his 3rd recruiting class now. It is also not going to be good. You can give him 20 years and it's going to be the same. None of the local kids are going to want to come this program because, why would they?