If I’m the big 12.. the iron is hot; now is the time to go to 14; I travel with work, nobody ever really talks about the big 12. It’s a perfect time to expand footprint. Ucf, South Florida, Memphis, and either Cincinnati, which I prefer even though they are going through a rough patch thanks to tubberville, or Houston. Those 4/5 teams have proven they turn the needle when the opportunity presents. Good markets, good facilities. Only negative would be how happy Texas would be playing for 4th or 5 th every year!

I agree, but I don't think the powers that be have that sort of vision.

The four additions you mentioned would get blasted in the short term, but in 3 years no one would really remember that they were ever in the American and people would consider them "power 5 schools" much like no one thinks about Rutgers, Utah, TCU, or Louisville being "non-BCS teams". Would strengthen the conference and expand the footprint into large markets.

Then again, this is all assuming the powers that be actually are concerned about the conference in the first place, which I'm not convinced they are.

Big 12 should take another crack at Arizona and Missouri and may be an out of the box candidate, like Kentucky or Vanderbilt. Great basketball in the Big 12 and may be an also-ran from the PAC or SEC would see an easier path to bowl eligibility through the Big 12. Kentucky or Vanderbilt would make an excellent travel partner for WVU.

Didn't they just get paid not to expand? Can't expand if the TV partners don't you to, unless you want to slice the pie up 2 to 4 more ways.

(12-07-2017 12:10 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Didn't they just get paid not to expand? Can't expand if the TV partners don't you to, unless you want to slice the pie up 2 to 4 more ways.

Great point , you are spot on, but this year reveals that they actually could ask for raise equivalent to same team pay. Mentioned teams outdrew big 12 games occasionally this year. That’s my point; iron is very hot!

(12-07-2017 12:10 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Didn't they just get paid not to expand? Can't expand if the TV partners don't you to, unless you want to slice the pie up 2 to 4 more ways.

Barely. They functionally surrendered their ESPN pro-rata clause for nothing. Big 12's not expanding during the remaining life of their media deal. That's dead and gone.

Texas and OU aren’t doing anything that will limit their potential options in 2025. Expansion would tie them to a conference they aren’t entirely such they want to remain apart of.

This might be the best season the Big XII might win a NC and the solution is expanding with a bunch of G5 school? Why?

(12-07-2017 12:19 PM)Newton card Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:10 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Didn't they just get paid not to expand? Can't expand if the TV partners don't you to, unless you want to slice the pie up 2 to 4 more ways.

Great point , you are spot on, but this year reveals that they actually could ask for raise equivalent to same team pay. Mentioned teams outdrew big 12 games occasionally this year. That’s my point; iron is very hot!

Houston had great numbers last year, but did not sustain those numbers in 2017 - nor would they have in the B12. UCF had poor numbers last year, but great numbers in 2017. Direct correlation to win-loss record and rankings (or quality opponent) to TV ratings.

One team needs to set itself apart over multiple seasons for the iron to be hot.

(12-07-2017 12:30 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:19 PM)Newton card Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:10 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Didn't they just get paid not to expand? Can't expand if the TV partners don't you to, unless you want to slice the pie up 2 to 4 more ways.

Great point , you are spot on, but this year reveals that they actually could ask for raise equivalent to same team pay. Mentioned teams outdrew big 12 games occasionally this year. That’s my point; iron is very hot!

Houston had great numbers last year, but did not sustain those numbers in 2017 - nor would they have in the B12. UCF had poor numbers last year, but great numbers in 2017. Direct correlation to win-loss record and rankings (or quality opponent) to TV ratings.

One team needs to set itself apart over multiple seasons for the iron to be hot.

Like Utah and TCU did in the MWC and Louisville in C-USA.

(12-07-2017 12:26 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  This might be the best season the Big XII might win a NC and the solution is expanding with a bunch of G5 school? Why?

The impetus would be to have 2 NY6 teams.

TCU's loss cost the Big 12 having 2 team in the NY6. Had the Big 12 been 12 teams with north/south split, OU would have beaten someone like ISU or Memphis in the Big 12 title game (avenging their only loss or bolstering their resume with another top 25 win against a different school) and TCU would have gone to a NY6. Instead, the guaranteed rematch cost the Big 12 a NY6 bowl - which is likely to happen every year the Big 12 title game loser ends up with 3 losses.

(12-07-2017 11:57 AM)Newton card Wrote:  If I’m the big 12.. the iron is hot; now is the time to go to 14; I travel with work, nobody ever really talks about the big 12. It’s a perfect time to expand footprint. Ucf, South Florida, Memphis, and either Cincinnati, which I prefer even though they are going through a rough patch thanks to tubberville, or Houston. Those 4/5 teams have proven they turn the needle when the opportunity presents. Good markets, good facilities. Only negative would be how happy Texas would be playing for 4th or 5 th every year!

Why on Earth would TX, OU, WVU, and KS agree to ANYTHING before the GOR expires in 2024/25? The smart move for those schools would be to wait until then and see how everything shakes out before making a decision.

I'm sure the other six teams would be open to expansion NOW, but without TX & OU, ain't squat happening.

As a fan, I really like the current setup. We play everyone every year, and while that might sound a little like a talking point, it actually is pretty cool. None of this unequal schedule crap and it is easy to develop rivalries. Some of the 14 team league members may not see each other for years, despite being in the same conference. We know every year we will go to each school, and every school will come to FW every other year. That's huge.

I really like some of the potential adds and maybe there is a model that works. But expansion takes one of the league's strengths and suddenly we are no different than the other leagues, missing 65% of the conference, including possibly traditional or attractive rivals. If the price is right, maybe that trade off is OK, but expanding for sake of expanding doesn't make sense.

(12-07-2017 01:07 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  As a fan, I really like the current setup. We play everyone every year, and while that might sound a little like a talking point, it actually is pretty cool. None of this unequal schedule crap and it is easy to develop rivalries. Some of the 14 team league members may not see each other for years, despite being in the same conference. We know every year we will go to each school, and every school will come to FW every other year. That's huge.

I really like some of the potential adds and maybe there is a model that works. But expansion takes one of the league's strengths and suddenly we are no different than the other leagues, missing 65% of the conference, including possibly traditional or attractive rivals. If the price is right, maybe that trade off is OK, but expanding for sake of expanding doesn't make sense.

You like it but the people who want to get in from G5 don't like it. They will keep making noise until they get what they want. Including making similar threads every week.

(12-07-2017 12:04 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I agree, but I don't think the powers that be have that sort of vision.

The four additions you mentioned would get blasted in the short term, but in 3 years no one would really remember that they were ever in the American and people would consider them "power 5 schools" much like no one thinks about Rutgers, Utah, TCU, or Louisville being "non-BCS teams". Would strengthen the conference and expand the footprint into large markets.

Then again, this is all assuming the powers that be actually are concerned about the conference in the first place, which I'm not convinced they are.

Rutgers was always a BCS team, no?

(12-07-2017 12:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  Big 12 should take another crack at Arizona and Missouri and may be an out of the box candidate, like Kentucky or Vanderbilt. Great basketball in the Big 12 and may be an also-ran from the PAC or SEC would see an easier path to bowl eligibility through the Big 12. Kentucky or Vanderbilt would make an excellent travel partner for WVU.

I would think it'd be incredibly shortsighted for any school from the other P5 conferences to leave for the Big 12.

(12-07-2017 12:50 PM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:26 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  This might be the best season the Big XII might win a NC and the solution is expanding with a bunch of G5 school? Why?

The impetus would be to have 2 NY6 teams.

TCU's loss cost the Big 12 having 2 team in the NY6. Had the Big 12 been 12 teams with north/south split, OU would have beaten someone like ISU or Memphis in the Big 12 title game (avenging their only loss or bolstering their resume with another top 25 win against a different school) and TCU would have gone to a NY6. Instead, the guaranteed rematch cost the Big 12 a NY6 bowl - which is likely to happen every year the Big 12 title game loser ends up with 3 losses.

This is a good answer. For sake of argument, let's say the 2017 B12 had UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cincinnati and splits into North and South divisions. The conference probably has Oklahoma in the CFP and one of TCU or UCF in the NY6 - may be even both, depending on the cross-division games. Something like this:

NORTH:
#3 Oklahoma (8-1, 12-1) Champion, CFP Bound
#10 TCU (7-2, 10-2) NY6 Bound
#13 Oklahoma St. (7-2, 10-2)
#22 Memphis (6-3, 9-3)
Kansas St. (5-4, 5-4, 7-5)
Iowa St. (5-4, 7-5)
Kansas (0-9, 1-11)

SOUTH:
#12 UCF (8-1, 10-2)CCG loser
USF (6-3, 8-3)
WVU (5-4, 7-5)
Texas (5-4, 6-6)
Texas Tech (3-6, 6-6)
Cincinnati (2-7, 4-8)
Baylor (1-8, 1-11)

Five ranked teams and two bound for NY6 bowl games. I'm thinking TCU gets Penn St. in the Cotton Bowl and they move the Ohio St.-USC matchup to the Fiesta Bowl. The PAC only gets one NY6 team and Boise St. gets the G5's Peach bowl bid.

Oklahoma St. gets the Alamo Bowl v. Stanford and UCF gets the Camping World Bowl against Virginia Tech. With expansion, the B12 would likely add a couple more eastern or southern bowl games, such as the Military Bowl and Independence Bowls. Could be USF v. Virginia in the Military and Iowa St.-Florida St. in Shreveport.

(12-07-2017 12:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  Big 12 should take another crack at Arizona and Missouri and may be an out of the box candidate, like Kentucky or Vanderbilt. Great basketball in the Big 12 and may be an also-ran from the PAC or SEC would see an easier path to bowl eligibility through the Big 12. Kentucky or Vanderbilt would make an excellent travel partner for WVU.

I don't think so. Mizzou already cured itself of Bevo Disease. Arizona? Really?

(12-07-2017 03:26 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  Big 12 should take another crack at Arizona and Missouri and may be an out of the box candidate, like Kentucky or Vanderbilt. Great basketball in the Big 12 and may be an also-ran from the PAC or SEC would see an easier path to bowl eligibility through the Big 12. Kentucky or Vanderbilt would make an excellent travel partner for WVU.

I don't think so. Mizzou already cured itself of Bevo Disease. Arizona? Really?

Arizona has complained about late-night kickoffs and tipoffs and the underwhelming returns from the PAC 12 networks.

https://www.inquisitr.com/3122934/big-12...y-targets/

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/2016/1/27/...54/article

(12-07-2017 03:37 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 03:26 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 12:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  Big 12 should take another crack at Arizona and Missouri and may be an out of the box candidate, like Kentucky or Vanderbilt. Great basketball in the Big 12 and may be an also-ran from the PAC or SEC would see an easier path to bowl eligibility through the Big 12. Kentucky or Vanderbilt would make an excellent travel partner for WVU.

I don't think so. Mizzou already cured itself of Bevo Disease. Arizona? Really?

Arizona has complained about late-night kickoffs and tipoffs and the underwhelming returns from the PAC 12 networks.

https://www.inquisitr.com/3122934/big-12...y-targets/

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/2016/1/27/...54/article

Yeah, and maybe the Pac will take them back when the Big 12 collapses in a few years.

Nothing in the last year has changed the order of schools they prefer; BYU and Cincinnati are still at the top.

Wait a few more years and Liberty will be up there to travel partner with WVU.