The best FCS team this year plays in Frisco, TX

The best G5 team this year plays in the Peach Bowl on New Year's Day

You guys are comparing winning a DIV IAA title to a crappy bowl game but that's not the right comparison. But if that's what you believe your ceiling would be then you're probably better off staying where you are.

JMU had little vision and was overly conservative when they decided to not go FBS at all costs.

The MAC plays weekday conference games with sparse crowds, even the important games.

CUSA is a nomad league everyone wants to move up from.

Sun Belt needs no introduction.

Outside the Peach Bowl what is the best bowl? Atlantis in front of 200 fans?

Media deals are drying up.

The admin everyone likes to pound on like a punching bag might have gotten this one right even if by accident.

(12-07-2017 04:24 PM)UofRfan Wrote:  JMU had little vision and was overly conservative when they decided to not go FBS at all costs.

The MAC plays weekday conference games with sparse crowds, even the important games.

CUSA is a nomad league everyone wants to move up from.

Sun Belt needs no introduction.

Outside the Peach Bowl what is the best bowl? Atlantis in front of 200 fans?

Media deals are drying up.

The admin everyone likes to pound on like a punching bag might have gotten this one right even if by accident.

Ah well. There you have it from a Spider fan. I think most of you are familiar with their stadium and fan interest.

(12-07-2017 04:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  The best FCS team this year plays in Frisco, TX

The best G5 team this year plays in the Peach Bowl on New Year's Day

You guys are comparing winning a DIV IAA title to a crappy bowl game but that's not the right comparison. But if that's what you believe your ceiling would be then you're probably better off staying where you are.

I forgot, what bowl game is ODU playing in this year?

(12-07-2017 01:43 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 11:28 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  those leagues are irrelevant. As irrelevant as you guys perceive the CAA and FCS to be.

This.

So we are prepared to cut the athletic budget by $15M? Can we sustain outspending our peers 4 to 1?

(12-07-2017 04:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  The best FCS team this year plays in Frisco, TX

The best G5 team this year plays in the Peach Bowl on New Year's Day

You guys are comparing winning a DIV IAA title to a crappy bowl game but that's not the right comparison. But if that's what you believe your ceiling would be then you're probably better off staying where you are.

Curious. What do you feel ODUs ceiling is?

(12-07-2017 07:00 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Curious. What do you feel ODUs ceiling is?

That Maglev thing across Hampton Blvd is kind of like a ceiling!

Here's the move JMU fans- the same way Liberty petitioned the NCAA and was granted approval to go Indy FBS JMU should petition the NCAA and get approval to join FBS (pending a conference invite) with no 2 year transition period. The reasons- JMU has proven themselves on and off the field as a ready made FBS program- they have the proof points to validate this claim whether it be the wins on the field, their football budget, their average home attendance figures or their FBS caliber facilities.

This move would immediately separate JMU from other move ups, it would eliminate any lost mojo for being in purgatory for 2 years, and it would eliminate any obstacles that they may have to receiving an FBS invite. I think JMU could even lobby the AAC after such approval from the NCAA to join their league and the AAC would be smart to consider it. Certainly CUSA and the Sun Belt would come calling if for no other reason that JMU would 1) increase their fan interest 2) increase their average attendance 3)increase their aggregate TV ratings and 4) increase their profile/RPI/and bowl bids

It would be a bold PR move that would make a real statement. We should push our leadership to pursue this option. The only reason the NCAA would deny a request is that JMU is helping FCS football by being an East Coast power and they may not want to make it so easy for them to move up.

(12-07-2017 07:00 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  The best FCS team this year plays in Frisco, TX

The best G5 team this year plays in the Peach Bowl on New Year's Day

You guys are comparing winning a DIV IAA title to a crappy bowl game but that's not the right comparison. But if that's what you believe your ceiling would be then you're probably better off staying where you are.

Curious. What do you feel ODUs ceiling is?

I would say a full 60 minutes.

(12-07-2017 04:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  The best FCS team this year plays in Frisco, TX

The best G5 team this year plays in the Peach Bowl on New Year's Day

You guys are comparing winning a DIV IAA title to a crappy bowl game but that's not the right comparison. But if that's what you believe your ceiling would be then you're probably better off staying where you are.

Our two schools are midgets fighting about who is taller. The Peach Bowl defense doesn't work for you. The best G5 team in that game will never be a CUSA team. It'll be an AAC or Mountain West team every year unless something drastic changes.

We're both irrelevant in the grand scheme of things right now.

(12-07-2017 07:54 PM)DukeDogNation Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 07:00 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Curious. What do you feel ODUs ceiling is?

That Maglev thing across Hampton Blvd is kind of like a ceiling!

(12-07-2017 09:26 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 07:00 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Curious. What do you feel ODUs ceiling is?

I would say a full 60 minutes.

Good god, these are both A+ posts.

(12-07-2017 07:00 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  Curious. What do you feel ODUs ceiling is?

Trick thread, there has never been an interesting article written about CUSA or the Sun Belt.

(12-07-2017 09:46 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  The best FCS team this year plays in Frisco, TX

The best G5 team this year plays in the Peach Bowl on New Year's Day

You guys are comparing winning a DIV IAA title to a crappy bowl game but that's not the right comparison. But if that's what you believe your ceiling would be then you're probably better off staying where you are.

Our two schools are midgets fighting about who is taller. The Peach Bowl defense doesn't work for you. The best G5 team in that game will never be a CUSA team. It'll be an AAC or Mountain West team every year unless something drastic changes.

We're both irrelevant in the grand scheme of things right now.

I agree but to be fair Western Michigan (MAC team) literally played Wisconsin in the Cotton bowl last year.

(12-07-2017 11:26 PM)Anders Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 09:46 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  The best FCS team this year plays in Frisco, TX

The best G5 team this year plays in the Peach Bowl on New Year's Day

You guys are comparing winning a DIV IAA title to a crappy bowl game but that's not the right comparison. But if that's what you believe your ceiling would be then you're probably better off staying where you are.

Our two schools are midgets fighting about who is taller. The Peach Bowl defense doesn't work for you. The best G5 team in that game will never be a CUSA team. It'll be an AAC or Mountain West team every year unless something drastic changes.

We're both irrelevant in the grand scheme of things right now.

I agree but to be fair Western Michigan (MAC team) literally played Wisconsin in the Cotton bowl last year.

And don’t forget about N. Illinois in the Orange Bowl a couple of seasons ago.

The real debate has more to do with regular season vs. post season. I used to think the FCS Playoffs were FAR more exciting than the no name bowl game and it made me prefer the FCS world in many ways. I personally still do feel this way, but I am starting to have other doubts given that December seems to be a time when we cannot sell out the stadium for interesting OOC games with the best in the FCS.

The point is, our biggest $$ benefit is to host playoff games, thus increasing football revenue by having up to 8-9 home games per year. But if we are not selling out, then we are not seeing that realized, and more importantly it leaves the appearance that JMU fans could care less about the SHSU, NDSU, Weber St. and Montanas of the college football world. If that is the case, we should seriously move up for a better, bigger name regular schedule with G5 and an occasional P5 team coming to BFS.

In other words, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. And what I mean is we do well for the regular season, so FBS would give us more juice for the squeeze. If we rocked it in the playoffs, I'd feel more confident actually that FCS is the right place for us, like Montana for example.

What I want more than anything is to see a 40-45K BFS sold out. I don't care if it is FCS, FBS or whatever. That is my (somewhat) realistic dream at this point in my life. We're coming up on 10 years since the original BFS expansion video hit YouTube. Where is Phase III?

(12-07-2017 11:26 PM)Anders Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 09:46 PM)bridgeforthduke Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 04:10 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  The best FCS team this year plays in Frisco, TX

The best G5 team this year plays in the Peach Bowl on New Year's Day

You guys are comparing winning a DIV IAA title to a crappy bowl game but that's not the right comparison. But if that's what you believe your ceiling would be then you're probably better off staying where you are.

Our two schools are midgets fighting about who is taller. The Peach Bowl defense doesn't work for you. The best G5 team in that game will never be a CUSA team. It'll be an AAC or Mountain West team every year unless something drastic changes.

We're both irrelevant in the grand scheme of things right now.

I agree but to be fair Western Michigan (MAC team) literally played Wisconsin in the Cotton bowl last year.

Very true. The MAC has shown that they can have a school get up there with the best of the AAC and Mountain West.

Northern Illinois' run was before the AAC existed so I don't consider them an exception.

It takes a special season for sure. Schedules are usually made in advance of when you know you might have a special team. So not only do you need the right team to go undefeated, you need the OOC schedule to give you credit on the big stage. The stars really have to align just right, very tricky and rare. Even UCF at 12-0, the only undefeated FBS team, is ranked 10 and playing in the Peach Bowl (as referenced) after beating ACC Maryland 38-10 on the road and getting the job done every other Saturday as well. Georgia Tech game was cancelled, so there's your star out of alignment I suppose.

Div 2 and Div 3 have the playoff system without the $8m annual FCS expense.

The only reason to be paying G5 costs for FCS football is to eventually move up.