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RE: Potential Fox-Disney Deal & ESPN impact
(12-06-2017 08:24 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 11:31 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  story here

If ESPN takes over the regional Fox Sports stations could it add inventory to both the SEC and ACC Networks and perhaps lead to a merger of several of the Big 12-State channels into some sort of Big 12 network? Seems like it would be easier to work out some sort of co-branding/sister station affiliation with the LHN if the lesser tier Big 12 rights come under the purview of the House of Mouse...

This sounds to me like a recipe for disaster if you're college sports.

If Fox is getting out of the regional sports game (combined with the up to know unknown status of their ownership in BTN) that would leave almost everything in the hands of ESPN. Makes me wonder if Fox will continue to be a player in college sports, ESPECIALLY college football.

How could ESPN having a stranglehold on the conference networks PLUS owning most of the rights to games be a good thing? If you think there's bias in coverage and reporting now, just wait until they're the only show in town.


IMHO, I do not see that happening. It would never make it through Anti-Trust. I know that Fox is willing to unload Channels, but the Mouse would have to give up something also. Now it makes sense why ESPN has been getting rid of people. That might be the Channel on the chopping block just to make this deal.....
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RE: Potential Fox-Disney Deal & ESPN impact
(12-06-2017 11:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 11:10 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 10:19 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If you have Direct or Dish service, you've got eighty bazillion RSN's.
Most Saturdays as you scroll through the list you will see games like Baylor-Kansas being shown on the east and west coasts or Oregon State-Utah across the south and and east.

ESPN has a crap ton of content that will draw more eyeballs in the south and east than Oregon State-Utah that is being produced up to their production standards and being streamed on ESPN3.

I suspect that the long game is that if you are in Texas that you may get SMU-Houston or UNT-UTSA on ESPN Dallas, ESPN Houston, and ESPN San Antonio while ESPN Tennessee and and ESPN South are showing MTSU-UAB or Arkansas State-South Alabama.

More games going into regionally appropriate areas and if you want the full banana to get the games that aren't picked for your market, they'll have a subscription for that.

I could absolutely see that. That could be a positive development for the Sunbelt, MAC, and CUSA. My sense is that this merger is either a nuetral or negative development for the AAC--I just cant see any way its could feasibly be a positive for the AAC.

My bet is that in a year or two years you are going to see or receive promotional literature or an ad offering you ESPN+ Houston.

For X dollars per month you can stream all the usual ESPN content plus probably the Astros, Rockets, and Dynamo. If anything changes for AAC it might be Houston vs Temple instead of being on ESPN News will be on ESPN Houston and ESPN Philadelphia if you are a customer of cable, satellite, or internet bundler. If you cut the cord and subscribe to ESPN+ Houston you won't notice the difference.

Interesting. I can now cut the cord and get every network I need to follow college sports on a streaming platform. The only reason I havent switched to a robust streaming service is Root Sports (has a new name now ATT Sports Network or something) which carries all Rockets and Astros games. There is no streaming option for getting that RSN....so Im stuck paying for cable until that issue is resolved. What you describe sounds appealing to me from a personal standpoint.
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RE: Potential Fox-Disney Deal & ESPN impact
(12-06-2017 12:06 PM)lance99 Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 08:24 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 11:31 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  story here

If ESPN takes over the regional Fox Sports stations could it add inventory to both the SEC and ACC Networks and perhaps lead to a merger of several of the Big 12-State channels into some sort of Big 12 network? Seems like it would be easier to work out some sort of co-branding/sister station affiliation with the LHN if the lesser tier Big 12 rights come under the purview of the House of Mouse...

This sounds to me like a recipe for disaster if you're college sports.

If Fox is getting out of the regional sports game (combined with the up to know unknown status of their ownership in BTN) that would leave almost everything in the hands of ESPN. Makes me wonder if Fox will continue to be a player in college sports, ESPECIALLY college football.

How could ESPN having a stranglehold on the conference networks PLUS owning most of the rights to games be a good thing? If you think there's bias in coverage and reporting now, just wait until they're the only show in town.


IMHO, I do not see that happening. It would never make it through Anti-Trust. I know that Fox is willing to unload Channels, but the Mouse would have to give up something also. Now it makes sense why ESPN has been getting rid of people. That might be the Channel on the chopping block just to make this deal.....

I'd disagree in this case. There really isn't an antitrust case here - it's arguably just taking one combination of national cable channels with RSNs under the Fox umbrella and transferring those RSNs to a different combination of national cable channels under the Disney umbrella. Plus, let's be realistic here: Fox is going to get treated in this deal quite a bit better by the current powers that be in Washington compared to Time Warner/AT&T (with CNN involved).
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RE: Potential Fox-Disney Deal & ESPN impact
(12-06-2017 12:06 PM)lance99 Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 08:24 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 11:31 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  story here

If ESPN takes over the regional Fox Sports stations could it add inventory to both the SEC and ACC Networks and perhaps lead to a merger of several of the Big 12-State channels into some sort of Big 12 network? Seems like it would be easier to work out some sort of co-branding/sister station affiliation with the LHN if the lesser tier Big 12 rights come under the purview of the House of Mouse...

This sounds to me like a recipe for disaster if you're college sports.

If Fox is getting out of the regional sports game (combined with the up to know unknown status of their ownership in BTN) that would leave almost everything in the hands of ESPN. Makes me wonder if Fox will continue to be a player in college sports, ESPECIALLY college football.

How could ESPN having a stranglehold on the conference networks PLUS owning most of the rights to games be a good thing? If you think there's bias in coverage and reporting now, just wait until they're the only show in town.


IMHO, I do not see that happening. It would never make it through Anti-Trust. I know that Fox is willing to unload Channels, but the Mouse would have to give up something also. Now it makes sense why ESPN has been getting rid of people. That might be the Channel on the chopping block just to make this deal.....

I suspect other. What is it that ESPN has cut? Unneeded production staff and expensive talking heads. What is it that they are buying? Rights. Why would both of these things be happening simultaneously? Because they are going to change the nature of who they are.

Sure they'll keep ESPN1 & ESPN2 and maybe one other channel for content broadcasts. But what they've set themselves up to be (if they follow the direction they are headed to its conclusion) is a broker. The can provide product to streaming services, conference networks, their own stations, and perhaps even to some mainline networks too.

I think ESPN has looked at the changes coming in sports broadcasting and has decided to be what is essentially a wholesaler of the inventory. They keep their place in the mix, but they buy the rights and for a wide array of games they sell them based on their projected drawing capacity.

Let's say they did this with NBC, ABC, and CBS. All of the sudden the three mainline networks aren't limited to just one conference from which to select the best games of the week. Let's say that the Irish have a lousy year, NBC might rather show PAC or Big 10 games instead and let the slumping Irish find their way into a streaming slot where their fans pay for the right to watch a lesser game. Or if Alabama slumps and the SEC has a bad year CBS isn't stuck with just SEC content.

It would be cheaper on the mainline networks, and probably more productive to simply purchase content a week or two out and hedge their bets on their investment and let ESPN handle the contracts and rights and then sit back and collect the ad revenue.

ESPN1 and ESPN2 become like an outlet store where ESPN can monetize fully their own product, but since they are making money on what they distribute to the others too then those games are just gravy.

The customers would be satisfied because even more games will be available and in many formats.

Now this will be bad for the conferences if the networks aren't in bidding wars for their product. So consequently larger coalitions (not necessarily conferences) will be formed for collective bargaining and therein lies the balance.

I think FOX and ESPN both realized that they overpaid for the last Big 10 contract and that 6 years was chosen as the duration so that they could figure out what to do about it. Well, it may be happening now. We'll see.
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If a sale is completed, Disney will just flip the RSNs which they don't really want. This deal is not about sports/ESPN, its about digital and having controlling interest in Hulu as Disney takes their library off Netflix in 2019.
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RE: Potential Fox-Disney Deal & ESPN impact
(12-06-2017 02:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 12:06 PM)lance99 Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 08:24 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 11:31 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  story here

If ESPN takes over the regional Fox Sports stations could it add inventory to both the SEC and ACC Networks and perhaps lead to a merger of several of the Big 12-State channels into some sort of Big 12 network? Seems like it would be easier to work out some sort of co-branding/sister station affiliation with the LHN if the lesser tier Big 12 rights come under the purview of the House of Mouse...

This sounds to me like a recipe for disaster if you're college sports.

If Fox is getting out of the regional sports game (combined with the up to know unknown status of their ownership in BTN) that would leave almost everything in the hands of ESPN. Makes me wonder if Fox will continue to be a player in college sports, ESPECIALLY college football.

How could ESPN having a stranglehold on the conference networks PLUS owning most of the rights to games be a good thing? If you think there's bias in coverage and reporting now, just wait until they're the only show in town.


IMHO, I do not see that happening. It would never make it through Anti-Trust. I know that Fox is willing to unload Channels, but the Mouse would have to give up something also. Now it makes sense why ESPN has been getting rid of people. That might be the Channel on the chopping block just to make this deal.....

I think FOX and ESPN both realized that they overpaid for the last Big 10 contract.

5 of the top 10 college football games were Big Ten games. They didn't overpay for it.
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RE: Potential Fox-Disney Deal & ESPN impact
(12-06-2017 08:24 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 11:31 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  story here

If ESPN takes over the regional Fox Sports stations could it add inventory to both the SEC and ACC Networks and perhaps lead to a merger of several of the Big 12-State channels into some sort of Big 12 network? Seems like it would be easier to work out some sort of co-branding/sister station affiliation with the LHN if the lesser tier Big 12 rights come under the purview of the House of Mouse...

This sounds to me like a recipe for disaster if you're college sports.

If Fox is getting out of the regional sports game (combined with the up to know unknown status of their ownership in BTN) that would leave almost everything in the hands of ESPN. Makes me wonder if Fox will continue to be a player in college sports, ESPECIALLY college football.

How could ESPN having a stranglehold on the conference networks PLUS owning most of the rights to games be a good thing? If you think there's bias in coverage and reporting now, just wait until they're the only show in town.

That was my thinking. It definitely weakens the Fox position in sports relative to ESPN.
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(12-06-2017 11:31 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 11:10 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 10:19 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  If you have Direct or Dish service, you've got eighty bazillion RSN's.
Most Saturdays as you scroll through the list you will see games like Baylor-Kansas being shown on the east and west coasts or Oregon State-Utah across the south and and east.

ESPN has a crap ton of content that will draw more eyeballs in the south and east than Oregon State-Utah that is being produced up to their production standards and being streamed on ESPN3.

I suspect that the long game is that if you are in Texas that you may get SMU-Houston or UNT-UTSA on ESPN Dallas, ESPN Houston, and ESPN San Antonio while ESPN Tennessee and and ESPN South are showing MTSU-UAB or Arkansas State-South Alabama.

More games going into regionally appropriate areas and if you want the full banana to get the games that aren't picked for your market, they'll have a subscription for that.

I could absolutely see that. That could be a positive development for the Sunbelt, MAC, and CUSA. My sense is that this merger is either a nuetral or negative development for the AAC--I just cant see any way its could feasibly be a positive for the AAC.

My bet is that in a year or two years you are going to see or receive promotional literature or an ad offering you ESPN+ Houston.

For X dollars per month you can stream all the usual ESPN content plus probably the Astros, Rockets, and Dynamo. If anything changes for AAC it might be Houston vs Temple instead of being on ESPN News will be on ESPN Houston and ESPN Philadelphia if you are a customer of cable, satellite, or internet bundler. If you cut the cord and subscribe to ESPN+ Houston you won't notice the difference.

But the pros have been trying to control their own content.
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(12-06-2017 02:23 PM)Renandpat Wrote:  If a sale is completed, Disney will just flip the RSNs which they don't really want. This deal is not about sports/ESPN, its about digital and having controlling interest in Hulu as Disney takes their library off Netflix in 2019.

As a side note, they also stand to make hundreds of millions from adding the X-Men, Fantastic Four, and Deadpool to the Marvel Universe in Phase 4.

Be worth it to see Deadpool and Rocket banter back & forth.
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(12-06-2017 02:30 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 02:21 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 12:06 PM)lance99 Wrote:  
(12-06-2017 08:24 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 11:31 PM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  story here

If ESPN takes over the regional Fox Sports stations could it add inventory to both the SEC and ACC Networks and perhaps lead to a merger of several of the Big 12-State channels into some sort of Big 12 network? Seems like it would be easier to work out some sort of co-branding/sister station affiliation with the LHN if the lesser tier Big 12 rights come under the purview of the House of Mouse...

This sounds to me like a recipe for disaster if you're college sports.

If Fox is getting out of the regional sports game (combined with the up to know unknown status of their ownership in BTN) that would leave almost everything in the hands of ESPN. Makes me wonder if Fox will continue to be a player in college sports, ESPECIALLY college football.

How could ESPN having a stranglehold on the conference networks PLUS owning most of the rights to games be a good thing? If you think there's bias in coverage and reporting now, just wait until they're the only show in town.


IMHO, I do not see that happening. It would never make it through Anti-Trust. I know that Fox is willing to unload Channels, but the Mouse would have to give up something also. Now it makes sense why ESPN has been getting rid of people. That might be the Channel on the chopping block just to make this deal.....

I think FOX and ESPN both realized that they overpaid for the last Big 10 contract.

5 of the top 10 college football games were Big Ten games. They didn't overpay for it.

6 of the top 10 were SEC games, but that has nothing to do with whether or not they overpaid for those games. The ROI determines that. And as long as more entities bid for primary rights they will pay more. It doesn't destroy the motivation to broker rights or the motivation for interested parties who don't make college sports their primary business to prefer to buy their content from a provider like ESPN at rates where they have more flexibility and better content than if they bid.
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