(12-06-2017 05:55 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  Outside of a championship game hosted at App State, Ark State...maybe Georgia Southern or Troy, would it really be any different with the Sunbelt? How many fans would a championship game at Georgia State vs Texas State draw? Just sayin.

Georgia State really well if the other team is not to far. ATL is a destination city easy to get to and I know I will go and probably a lot of other GS fans. TXST I have no clue.

(12-07-2017 09:09 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 11:13 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:55 AM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 01:18 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  Being much more regional conference won’t magically fix our attendance. It will bump it some, but I doubt more than 10%. The average fan might gain one game in a drivable distance.

MapQuest mileage from Boone
Troy 8 hrs vs Charlotte 2 hrs
A State 10 hrs vs Marshall 5 hrs
USA 10 hrs vs MTSU 6 hrs
ULM 12 hrs vs ODU 6 hrs
Louisiana 14 hrs vs WKU 6 1/2 hrs
Texas State 19 hrs vs UAB 7 hrs
Coastal 5 hrs
Ga St 5 hrs
Ga So 6 hrs

All schools within a 7 hour drive. Yea, that would help attendance.

your model assumes fans would even travel to those schools. App has never really traveled well to Statesboro so what will magically change? Regional (east vs west) conferences help the Texas and Virginia/NC schools the the most. GA, FL, AL, MS, etc... will still have a ton of travel.

My preferred conference is based more on athletic and fan support. Heck even reorganizing conferences into more like minded (as GaSt fans like to put it) with an urban vs rural make up. Just because a school is closer doesn't mean I would want to go see them. App fans have been pushing for this regional model the hardest. I can understand why because for them it works. They get quality opponents within a few hours drive. Not only will it boost ticket sales it will save them money. But other schools will have to routinely travel be plane to Florida, Arkansas, etc...

Not a fan of being in a conference (and division) with FIU. Maybe FAU, but not FIU.

There are numerous reasons App fans don't travel to Statesboro. I've never had any issues, but many of our fans have. I'll be the first to admit once you get over 5 hours a lot of App fans don't travel well, but we've only had games in Atlanta & Statesboro that even come close to that parameter. Gotta remember we too 10,000 to ECU.

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Regardless of reasons, I'm pretty sure GS travels much better the Boonies than App does to the stank. Good job taking that many to ECU, but GS dies that all the time with nearby opponents.

The advantage of compact is not traveling fans, that's just a bonus if it happens.

The advantage is using a bus rather than an air charter or commercial flight. The difference is how many meals you have to provide while traveling. The difference is how many hotel rooms you pay for.

(12-07-2017 09:24 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 01:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here's my view

1) I think it would have been simpler to say "Having 10 bowl eligible teams really doesn't solve CUSA's problems"
2) I think that CUSA probably had a better year than the Belt did in football
3) I don't think that any team is going to get everything the want in the case of a split up and reconstitution of the Belt and CUSA
4) FAU getting 18k butts in the seats this year is absolutely miraculous.
5) Any conference 4 garbage teams at the bottom is going to generate higher than average bowl eligibility in the rest of the conference.

CUSA had some real garbage in their league. UTEP, Charlotte, and Rice and ODU won exactly 2 games outside of games between themselves.

So lets just throw out FCA and garbage wins and see where CUSA lands without the bottom feeders

So, now lets look at CUSA's top 10 when you remove FCS wins, wins against their bottom 4, and wins versus very bad (2 wins or less) FBS teams

FAU 7-3 -
FIU 5-3
Marshall 4-5 (Kent State was thrown out)
WKU 1-6 (Ball State was thrown out)
MTSU 2-6 (BGSU was thrown out)

CUSA West

UNT - 6-4
UAB - 5-3
USM- 4-4
LTU - 3-6
UTSA 1-5 (Baylor and Texas State thrown out).

We were bad this year but not garbage. We finished 5-7. Won our FCS game and beat UMASS. Half of the SB's bowl eligible teams can't say that much. If you're throwing out wins then there were 3 terrible teams in CUSA.

edit: I just looked. Half of your conference has three or less wins and you're saying we're carrying anchors?

You beat UMass when they were losing, badly, to everyone. You did beat a decent FIU team, and then barely beat Rice and Charlotte (combined record 2-22) at home. You were an anchor this year. You weren't last year. Total record of teams you beat ... 14-33. Congratulations.

As far as an anchor, I'd argue that the definition is a team that has no business beating anyone other than other patsies. This year, there were four of those teams in CUSA. Rice, ODU, UTEP, and Charlotte. These four teams played 27 conference games against top 10 CUSA teams and won exactly 2.

The bottom line is CUSA is not the CUSA of a decade ago. Its market driven model was a bust and there is no significant differences between the Belt and CUSA it has more to do with scheduling luck more than anything. When our best teams get their worst OOC we will look better when their best get our lower half they look better.

CUSA did not beat one top four team in the Belt this year. There best win is against 4-4 ULM...UTSA is the only bottom CUSA team that beat a Sun Belt team and that was TXST maybe our worst team. All others came from above average CUSA teams. Flip that and we are 4-2 instead of being 2-4.

It is the AAC and everyone else right now how the conferences schedule has more to do with the rankings than any discernible differences. The most P5 wins any G5 got was four this year and one of the two conference beat Kansas twice only a handful of good P5 wins.

HOWEVER the Belts arrow is pointed up, not many other G5's can say that. MAC is the MAC crappy with revolving teams poping up to have a few good years with no new young teams, CUSA is sliding back but has young FBS teams that have potential, MW is what it is like the MAC established but no real growth left but solid as it comes, the AAC is banging its head on the G5 ceiling cant really do much more.

I dont like where the Belt is right now but other than the AAC I would not want to leave for any other G5 that is for sure.

we seriously need to merge sooner than later.

(12-07-2017 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 09:24 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 01:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here's my view

1) I think it would have been simpler to say "Having 10 bowl eligible teams really doesn't solve CUSA's problems"
2) I think that CUSA probably had a better year than the Belt did in football
3) I don't think that any team is going to get everything the want in the case of a split up and reconstitution of the Belt and CUSA
4) FAU getting 18k butts in the seats this year is absolutely miraculous.
5) Any conference 4 garbage teams at the bottom is going to generate higher than average bowl eligibility in the rest of the conference.

CUSA had some real garbage in their league. UTEP, Charlotte, and Rice and ODU won exactly 2 games outside of games between themselves.

So lets just throw out FCA and garbage wins and see where CUSA lands without the bottom feeders

So, now lets look at CUSA's top 10 when you remove FCS wins, wins against their bottom 4, and wins versus very bad (2 wins or less) FBS teams

FAU 7-3 -
FIU 5-3
Marshall 4-5 (Kent State was thrown out)
WKU 1-6 (Ball State was thrown out)
MTSU 2-6 (BGSU was thrown out)

CUSA West

UNT - 6-4
UAB - 5-3
USM- 4-4
LTU - 3-6
UTSA 1-5 (Baylor and Texas State thrown out).

We were bad this year but not garbage. We finished 5-7. Won our FCS game and beat UMASS. Half of the SB's bowl eligible teams can't say that much. If you're throwing out wins then there were 3 terrible teams in CUSA.

edit: I just looked. Half of your conference has three or less wins and you're saying we're carrying anchors?

You beat UMass when they were losing, badly, to everyone. You did beat a decent FIU team, and then barely beat Rice and Charlotte (combined record 2-22) at home. You were an anchor this year. You weren't last year. Total record of teams you beat ... 14-33. Congratulations.

As far as an anchor, I'd argue that the definition is a team that has no business beating anyone other than other patsies. This year, there were four of those teams in CUSA. Rice, ODU, UTEP, and Charlotte. These four teams played 27 conference games against top 10 CUSA teams and won exactly 2.

UMASS only lost one game this year by more than 11 points and that was the last game of the year against FIU. Their overall record wasn't great but they weren't getting blown out except that last game. Clearly they would have done fine in the Sun Belt.

2-27 against the top ten certainly sounds bad. But let's break that down.

Rice 0-6
UTEP 0-7
Charlotte 1-7 (But that was their only win so it's hard to argue they weren't terrible)
ODU 1-5
Let's keep going
WKU 1-4
MT 1-4
UTSA 1-5

So why did you draw the line where you did? Like I said we weren't a very good team and to your point there weren't very many good teams in CUSA this year but a conference with 5 teams with only 3 wins shouldn't be pointing fingers.

To play devil's advocate, if C-USA is a failing model, is the Sun Belt successful? If so, how? If not, why not?

(12-07-2017 01:02 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 09:24 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 01:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here's my view

1) I think it would have been simpler to say "Having 10 bowl eligible teams really doesn't solve CUSA's problems"
2) I think that CUSA probably had a better year than the Belt did in football
3) I don't think that any team is going to get everything the want in the case of a split up and reconstitution of the Belt and CUSA
4) FAU getting 18k butts in the seats this year is absolutely miraculous.
5) Any conference 4 garbage teams at the bottom is going to generate higher than average bowl eligibility in the rest of the conference.

CUSA had some real garbage in their league. UTEP, Charlotte, and Rice and ODU won exactly 2 games outside of games between themselves.

So lets just throw out FCA and garbage wins and see where CUSA lands without the bottom feeders

So, now lets look at CUSA's top 10 when you remove FCS wins, wins against their bottom 4, and wins versus very bad (2 wins or less) FBS teams

FAU 7-3 -
FIU 5-3
Marshall 4-5 (Kent State was thrown out)
WKU 1-6 (Ball State was thrown out)
MTSU 2-6 (BGSU was thrown out)

CUSA West

UNT - 6-4
UAB - 5-3
USM- 4-4
LTU - 3-6
UTSA 1-5 (Baylor and Texas State thrown out).

We were bad this year but not garbage. We finished 5-7. Won our FCS game and beat UMASS. Half of the SB's bowl eligible teams can't say that much. If you're throwing out wins then there were 3 terrible teams in CUSA.

edit: I just looked. Half of your conference has three or less wins and you're saying we're carrying anchors?

You beat UMass when they were losing, badly, to everyone. You did beat a decent FIU team, and then barely beat Rice and Charlotte (combined record 2-22) at home. You were an anchor this year. You weren't last year. Total record of teams you beat ... 14-33. Congratulations.

As far as an anchor, I'd argue that the definition is a team that has no business beating anyone other than other patsies. This year, there were four of those teams in CUSA. Rice, ODU, UTEP, and Charlotte. These four teams played 27 conference games against top 10 CUSA teams and won exactly 2.

UMASS only lost one game this year by more than 11 points and that was the last game of the year against FIU. Their overall record wasn't great but they weren't getting blown out except that last game. Clearly they would have done fine in the Sun Belt.

2-27 against the top ten certainly sounds bad. But let's break that down.

Rice 0-6
UTEP 0-7
Charlotte 1-7 (But that was their only win so it's hard to argue they weren't terrible)
ODU 1-5
Let's keep going
WKU 1-4
MT 1-4
UTSA 1-5

So why did you draw the line where you did? Like I said we weren't a very good team and to your point there weren't very many good teams in CUSA this year but a conference with 5 teams with only 3 wins shouldn't be pointing fingers.

UMass would have done just fine in the Sun Belt, eh?

One of the worst teams in the Sun Belt (my Chanticleers) went 3-9 this year, and even we beat UMass.

And we beat them convincingly (by 10 points). Only team to beat them worse was FIU as you mentioned.

Stats are a funny thing in that you can make them say anything.

(12-07-2017 01:27 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  To play devil's advocate, if C-USA is a failing model, is the Sun Belt successful? If so, how? If not, why not?

We are all successful in that we are on TV all the time, make a lot more $ and have a higher profile than programs in FCS. I think the point is that CUSA had a plan to separate from the pack with big markets and a TV deal that was soon to expire. Now that we are all clearly in the same boat as G5 conferences, we can either be content with being in a better position than FCS or we can find ways to maximize revenue and interest.

Reducing travel costs for non-revenue sports only boosts the revenue that we need for facilities, salaries, recruiting budgets, etc. If people are more interested in seeing Arkansas State play Southern miss than Arkansas State playing CCU and USM playing ODU then it is a bonus.

We are seeing former strong programs like Nebraska, Tennessee, Colorado and Arkansas struggle to get back to where they were because the G5 and lower P5 programs in the states they once raided for talent are now providing everything they can provide. Bowl games, great facilities, every game televised back home, lots of uniform combos, etc. are all things that once distinguished the P5 programs in "talent deserts". They could go in and get quality players and did not have to worry as much about someone coming into their turf.

We are starting to pay our HC candidates $1 million, we pay stipends and we are all upgrading our facilities. If markets don't do the trick, it is time to go back to the drawing board.

(12-07-2017 01:35 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:02 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 09:24 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 01:51 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Here's my view

1) I think it would have been simpler to say "Having 10 bowl eligible teams really doesn't solve CUSA's problems"
2) I think that CUSA probably had a better year than the Belt did in football
3) I don't think that any team is going to get everything the want in the case of a split up and reconstitution of the Belt and CUSA
4) FAU getting 18k butts in the seats this year is absolutely miraculous.
5) Any conference 4 garbage teams at the bottom is going to generate higher than average bowl eligibility in the rest of the conference.

CUSA had some real garbage in their league. UTEP, Charlotte, and Rice and ODU won exactly 2 games outside of games between themselves.

So lets just throw out FCA and garbage wins and see where CUSA lands without the bottom feeders

So, now lets look at CUSA's top 10 when you remove FCS wins, wins against their bottom 4, and wins versus very bad (2 wins or less) FBS teams

FAU 7-3 -
FIU 5-3
Marshall 4-5 (Kent State was thrown out)
WKU 1-6 (Ball State was thrown out)
MTSU 2-6 (BGSU was thrown out)

CUSA West

UNT - 6-4
UAB - 5-3
USM- 4-4
LTU - 3-6
UTSA 1-5 (Baylor and Texas State thrown out).

We were bad this year but not garbage. We finished 5-7. Won our FCS game and beat UMASS. Half of the SB's bowl eligible teams can't say that much. If you're throwing out wins then there were 3 terrible teams in CUSA.

edit: I just looked. Half of your conference has three or less wins and you're saying we're carrying anchors?

You beat UMass when they were losing, badly, to everyone. You did beat a decent FIU team, and then barely beat Rice and Charlotte (combined record 2-22) at home. You were an anchor this year. You weren't last year. Total record of teams you beat ... 14-33. Congratulations.

As far as an anchor, I'd argue that the definition is a team that has no business beating anyone other than other patsies. This year, there were four of those teams in CUSA. Rice, ODU, UTEP, and Charlotte. These four teams played 27 conference games against top 10 CUSA teams and won exactly 2.

UMASS only lost one game this year by more than 11 points and that was the last game of the year against FIU. Their overall record wasn't great but they weren't getting blown out except that last game. Clearly they would have done fine in the Sun Belt.

2-27 against the top ten certainly sounds bad. But let's break that down.

Rice 0-6
UTEP 0-7
Charlotte 1-7 (But that was their only win so it's hard to argue they weren't terrible)
ODU 1-5
Let's keep going
WKU 1-4
MT 1-4
UTSA 1-5

So why did you draw the line where you did? Like I said we weren't a very good team and to your point there weren't very many good teams in CUSA this year but a conference with 5 teams with only 3 wins shouldn't be pointing fingers.

UMass would have done just fine in the Sun Belt, eh?

One of the worst teams in the Sun Belt (my Chanticleers) went 3-9 this year, and even we beat UMass.

And we beat them convincingly (by 10 points). Only team to beat them worse was FIU as you mentioned.

Stats are a funny thing in that you can make them say anything.

Indeed, hell they only played 3 SB conference games and equaled the number of conference wins you guys had.

(12-07-2017 01:41 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:35 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:02 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 09:24 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  We were bad this year but not garbage. We finished 5-7. Won our FCS game and beat UMASS. Half of the SB's bowl eligible teams can't say that much. If you're throwing out wins then there were 3 terrible teams in CUSA.

edit: I just looked. Half of your conference has three or less wins and you're saying we're carrying anchors?

You beat UMass when they were losing, badly, to everyone. You did beat a decent FIU team, and then barely beat Rice and Charlotte (combined record 2-22) at home. You were an anchor this year. You weren't last year. Total record of teams you beat ... 14-33. Congratulations.

As far as an anchor, I'd argue that the definition is a team that has no business beating anyone other than other patsies. This year, there were four of those teams in CUSA. Rice, ODU, UTEP, and Charlotte. These four teams played 27 conference games against top 10 CUSA teams and won exactly 2.

UMASS only lost one game this year by more than 11 points and that was the last game of the year against FIU. Their overall record wasn't great but they weren't getting blown out except that last game. Clearly they would have done fine in the Sun Belt.

2-27 against the top ten certainly sounds bad. But let's break that down.

Rice 0-6
UTEP 0-7
Charlotte 1-7 (But that was their only win so it's hard to argue they weren't terrible)
ODU 1-5
Let's keep going
WKU 1-4
MT 1-4
UTSA 1-5

So why did you draw the line where you did? Like I said we weren't a very good team and to your point there weren't very many good teams in CUSA this year but a conference with 5 teams with only 3 wins shouldn't be pointing fingers.

UMass would have done just fine in the Sun Belt, eh?

One of the worst teams in the Sun Belt (my Chanticleers) went 3-9 this year, and even we beat UMass.

And we beat them convincingly (by 10 points). Only team to beat them worse was FIU as you mentioned.

Stats are a funny thing in that you can make them say anything.

Indeed, hell they only played 3 SB conference games and equaled the number of conference wins you guys had.

...yet we beat them easily...and we were one of the worst teams in the conference this year.

Do you see how your logic is circular and you can't really prove the point you're trying to prove?

(12-07-2017 01:27 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  To play devil's advocate, if C-USA is a failing model, is the Sun Belt successful? If so, how? If not, why not?

We did not use the look at our marketzzz model. We have never been dependent on TV contracts.

(12-07-2017 02:01 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:41 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:35 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:02 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 10:35 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  You beat UMass when they were losing, badly, to everyone. You did beat a decent FIU team, and then barely beat Rice and Charlotte (combined record 2-22) at home. You were an anchor this year. You weren't last year. Total record of teams you beat ... 14-33. Congratulations.

As far as an anchor, I'd argue that the definition is a team that has no business beating anyone other than other patsies. This year, there were four of those teams in CUSA. Rice, ODU, UTEP, and Charlotte. These four teams played 27 conference games against top 10 CUSA teams and won exactly 2.

UMASS only lost one game this year by more than 11 points and that was the last game of the year against FIU. Their overall record wasn't great but they weren't getting blown out except that last game. Clearly they would have done fine in the Sun Belt.

2-27 against the top ten certainly sounds bad. But let's break that down.

Rice 0-6
UTEP 0-7
Charlotte 1-7 (But that was their only win so it's hard to argue they weren't terrible)
ODU 1-5
Let's keep going
WKU 1-4
MT 1-4
UTSA 1-5

So why did you draw the line where you did? Like I said we weren't a very good team and to your point there weren't very many good teams in CUSA this year but a conference with 5 teams with only 3 wins shouldn't be pointing fingers.

UMass would have done just fine in the Sun Belt, eh?

One of the worst teams in the Sun Belt (my Chanticleers) went 3-9 this year, and even we beat UMass.

And we beat them convincingly (by 10 points). Only team to beat them worse was FIU as you mentioned.

Stats are a funny thing in that you can make them say anything.

Indeed, hell they only played 3 SB conference games and equaled the number of conference wins you guys had.

...yet we beat them easily...and we were one of the worst teams in the conference this year.

Do you see how your logic is circular and you can't really prove the point you're trying to prove?

It comes from the logic that puts Division II VIrginia State in the FBS playoffs... ya' see

Virginia State beat Norfolk State beat NC Central beat Howard beat UNLV beat Idaho beat USA beat Troy beat LSU beat Auburn beat Alabama....

(12-07-2017 05:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 02:01 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:41 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:35 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:02 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  UMASS only lost one game this year by more than 11 points and that was the last game of the year against FIU. Their overall record wasn't great but they weren't getting blown out except that last game. Clearly they would have done fine in the Sun Belt.

2-27 against the top ten certainly sounds bad. But let's break that down.

Rice 0-6
UTEP 0-7
Charlotte 1-7 (But that was their only win so it's hard to argue they weren't terrible)
ODU 1-5
Let's keep going
WKU 1-4
MT 1-4
UTSA 1-5

So why did you draw the line where you did? Like I said we weren't a very good team and to your point there weren't very many good teams in CUSA this year but a conference with 5 teams with only 3 wins shouldn't be pointing fingers.

UMass would have done just fine in the Sun Belt, eh?

One of the worst teams in the Sun Belt (my Chanticleers) went 3-9 this year, and even we beat UMass.

And we beat them convincingly (by 10 points). Only team to beat them worse was FIU as you mentioned.

Stats are a funny thing in that you can make them say anything.

Indeed, hell they only played 3 SB conference games and equaled the number of conference wins you guys had.

...yet we beat them easily...and we were one of the worst teams in the conference this year.

Do you see how your logic is circular and you can't really prove the point you're trying to prove?

It comes from the logic that puts Division II VIrginia State in the FBS playoffs... ya' see

Virginia State beat Norfolk State beat NC Central beat Howard beat UNLV beat Idaho beat USA beat Troy beat LSU beat Auburn beat Alabama....

you guys in the sbc eastern division can have umass all in if we in the west can have nmsu all in.

(12-07-2017 06:21 PM)runamuck Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 05:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 02:01 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:41 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:35 PM)CoastalAlum2011 Wrote:  UMass would have done just fine in the Sun Belt, eh?

One of the worst teams in the Sun Belt (my Chanticleers) went 3-9 this year, and even we beat UMass.

And we beat them convincingly (by 10 points). Only team to beat them worse was FIU as you mentioned.

Stats are a funny thing in that you can make them say anything.

Indeed, hell they only played 3 SB conference games and equaled the number of conference wins you guys had.

...yet we beat them easily...and we were one of the worst teams in the conference this year.

Do you see how your logic is circular and you can't really prove the point you're trying to prove?

It comes from the logic that puts Division II VIrginia State in the FBS playoffs... ya' see

Virginia State beat Norfolk State beat NC Central beat Howard beat UNLV beat Idaho beat USA beat Troy beat LSU beat Auburn beat Alabama....

you guys in the sbc eastern division can have umass all in if we in the west can have nmsu all in.

USA wants to stay WEST

(12-07-2017 01:40 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:27 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  To play devil's advocate, if C-USA is a failing model, is the Sun Belt successful? If so, how? If not, why not?

We are all successful in that we are on TV all the time, make a lot more $ and have a higher profile than programs in FCS. I think the point is that CUSA had a plan to separate from the pack with big markets and a TV deal that was soon to expire. Now that we are all clearly in the same boat as G5 conferences, we can either be content with being in a better position than FCS or we can find ways to maximize revenue and interest.

Reducing travel costs for non-revenue sports only boosts the revenue that we need for facilities, salaries, recruiting budgets, etc. If people are more interested in seeing Arkansas State play Southern miss than Arkansas State playing CCU and USM playing ODU then it is a bonus.

We are seeing former strong programs like Nebraska, Tennessee, Colorado and Arkansas struggle to get back to where they were because the G5 and lower P5 programs in the states they once raided for talent are now providing everything they can provide. Bowl games, great facilities, every game televised back home, lots of uniform combos, etc. are all things that once distinguished the P5 programs in "talent deserts". They could go in and get quality players and did not have to worry as much about someone coming into their turf.

We are starting to pay our HC candidates $1 million, we pay stipends and we are all upgrading our facilities. If markets don't do the trick, it is time to go back to the drawing board.

Being on TV all the time also comes at a price. Lost revenues in ticket sales for games played during the week is a killer. Unless something changes I've resigned myself to the fact App and Ga Southern will never play again on Saturday. There's no telling how much that costs each school, but I'm quite certain App would be getting crowds in the mid 30+ range instead of the low 20's. I'd say it has the same impact on Ga Southern. Weeknight TV games are season a ticket destroyer, especially for a school with a fan base 2+ hours away. Those two Thursday night home games we had two years ago killed season ticket sales.

(12-07-2017 08:07 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:40 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:27 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  To play devil's advocate, if C-USA is a failing model, is the Sun Belt successful? If so, how? If not, why not?

We are all successful in that we are on TV all the time, make a lot more $ and have a higher profile than programs in FCS. I think the point is that CUSA had a plan to separate from the pack with big markets and a TV deal that was soon to expire. Now that we are all clearly in the same boat as G5 conferences, we can either be content with being in a better position than FCS or we can find ways to maximize revenue and interest.

Reducing travel costs for non-revenue sports only boosts the revenue that we need for facilities, salaries, recruiting budgets, etc. If people are more interested in seeing Arkansas State play Southern miss than Arkansas State playing CCU and USM playing ODU then it is a bonus.

We are seeing former strong programs like Nebraska, Tennessee, Colorado and Arkansas struggle to get back to where they were because the G5 and lower P5 programs in the states they once raided for talent are now providing everything they can provide. Bowl games, great facilities, every game televised back home, lots of uniform combos, etc. are all things that once distinguished the P5 programs in "talent deserts". They could go in and get quality players and did not have to worry as much about someone coming into their turf.

We are starting to pay our HC candidates $1 million, we pay stipends and we are all upgrading our facilities. If markets don't do the trick, it is time to go back to the drawing board.

Being on TV all the time also comes at a price. Lost revenues in ticket sales for games played during the week is a killer. Unless something changes I've resigned myself to the fact App and Ga Southern will never play again on Saturday. There's no telling how much that costs each school, but I'm quite certain App would be getting crowds in the mid 30+ range instead of the low 20's. I'd say it has the same impact on Ga Southern. Weeknight TV games are season a ticket destroyer, especially for a school with a fan base 2+ hours away. Those two Thursday night home games we had two years ago killed season ticket sales.

South vs Troy will probably never be a Saturday game again either. We could have over 30K at Ladd.

(12-07-2017 08:07 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:40 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:27 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  To play devil's advocate, if C-USA is a failing model, is the Sun Belt successful? If so, how? If not, why not?

We are all successful in that we are on TV all the time, make a lot more $ and have a higher profile than programs in FCS. I think the point is that CUSA had a plan to separate from the pack with big markets and a TV deal that was soon to expire. Now that we are all clearly in the same boat as G5 conferences, we can either be content with being in a better position than FCS or we can find ways to maximize revenue and interest.

Reducing travel costs for non-revenue sports only boosts the revenue that we need for facilities, salaries, recruiting budgets, etc. If people are more interested in seeing Arkansas State play Southern miss than Arkansas State playing CCU and USM playing ODU then it is a bonus.

We are seeing former strong programs like Nebraska, Tennessee, Colorado and Arkansas struggle to get back to where they were because the G5 and lower P5 programs in the states they once raided for talent are now providing everything they can provide. Bowl games, great facilities, every game televised back home, lots of uniform combos, etc. are all things that once distinguished the P5 programs in "talent deserts". They could go in and get quality players and did not have to worry as much about someone coming into their turf.

We are starting to pay our HC candidates $1 million, we pay stipends and we are all upgrading our facilities. If markets don't do the trick, it is time to go back to the drawing board.

Being on TV all the time also comes at a price. Lost revenues in ticket sales for games played during the week is a killer. Unless something changes I've resigned myself to the fact App and Ga Southern will never play again on Saturday. There's no telling how much that costs each school, but I'm quite certain App would be getting crowds in the mid 30+ range instead of the low 20's. I'd say it has the same impact on Ga Southern. Weeknight TV games are season a ticket destroyer, especially for a school with a fan base 2+ hours away. Those two Thursday night home games we had two years ago killed season ticket sales.

Hopefully with more regional content created by some sort of realignment ESPN or whoever will find this game less necessary for week day numbers. Kinda bull**** if you ask me. This game should be played on Saturday for both fan bases. Maybe this changes for both of us over time but for now there is nothing that comes close to CrApp state game day...

(12-08-2017 07:15 PM)Oldyeller Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 08:07 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:40 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(12-07-2017 01:27 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  To play devil's advocate, if C-USA is a failing model, is the Sun Belt successful? If so, how? If not, why not?

We are all successful in that we are on TV all the time, make a lot more $ and have a higher profile than programs in FCS. I think the point is that CUSA had a plan to separate from the pack with big markets and a TV deal that was soon to expire. Now that we are all clearly in the same boat as G5 conferences, we can either be content with being in a better position than FCS or we can find ways to maximize revenue and interest.

Reducing travel costs for non-revenue sports only boosts the revenue that we need for facilities, salaries, recruiting budgets, etc. If people are more interested in seeing Arkansas State play Southern miss than Arkansas State playing CCU and USM playing ODU then it is a bonus.

We are seeing former strong programs like Nebraska, Tennessee, Colorado and Arkansas struggle to get back to where they were because the G5 and lower P5 programs in the states they once raided for talent are now providing everything they can provide. Bowl games, great facilities, every game televised back home, lots of uniform combos, etc. are all things that once distinguished the P5 programs in "talent deserts". They could go in and get quality players and did not have to worry as much about someone coming into their turf.

We are starting to pay our HC candidates $1 million, we pay stipends and we are all upgrading our facilities. If markets don't do the trick, it is time to go back to the drawing board.

Being on TV all the time also comes at a price. Lost revenues in ticket sales for games played during the week is a killer. Unless something changes I've resigned myself to the fact App and Ga Southern will never play again on Saturday. There's no telling how much that costs each school, but I'm quite certain App would be getting crowds in the mid 30+ range instead of the low 20's. I'd say it has the same impact on Ga Southern. Weeknight TV games are season a ticket destroyer, especially for a school with a fan base 2+ hours away. Those two Thursday night home games we had two years ago killed season ticket sales.

Hopefully with more regional content created by some sort of realignment ESPN or whoever will find this game less necessary for week day numbers. Kinda bull**** if you ask me. This game should be played on Saturday for both fan bases. Maybe this changes for both of us over time but for now there is nothing that comes close to CrApp state game day...

Hopefully...

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