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RE: Never thought I ever agree with Dennis Dodd
Dodd makes this absolutely ridiculous argument--

It cannot be five Power Five conference winners plus three at-large for the same reason the CFP doesn't automatically pick conference winners. You don't want your 8-4 division winner beating a 12-0 division winner and knocking your best team out of the playoff. Plus, expansion would introduce another layer of mediocrity. Do we really want a three-loss team winning a national championship? That might be the case this season if you consider Auburn (10-3) might have had entree into this year's eight-team field.

First--if the 8-3 team beats Mr 12-0, maybe Mr 12-0 isnt as good as you thought. Isnt that why teams that lose usually move down in the rankings?

Second--For hundreth time--if your not going to count the results you dont like, why play the games at all?

Third--We have accepted the concept that flawed teams can in fact, despite their flaws, defeat teams that are "better" on paper in every sport. Hell, we even are ok with it in football for the entire year and in the playoffs. For some unknown reason, we seem convinced that the college football playoffs will lose something if it becomes less of a beauty contest and more of an actual playoff. Again, I ask--why play the games. Are we actually afraid the outcomes might not match your expectations? Why not assemble a bunch of experts in September and simply look for the best, most impressive rosters, and declare the best most impressive roster the FBS champion. Saves all the trouble and travel expense for those messy games--plus it would solve the football concussions issue.

Fourth-If you have 5 P5 champs AQ and the top G5 AQ---you still have 2 wildcards left. The 12-0 team Dodd is terrified might lose in the conference final will get one of those 2 slots in the two team beauty contest he is afraid might vanish. Rejoice---the beauty contest aspect is retained. In fact, isnt a two team beauty contest the way we crowned a champ for the entire BCS era?


Fifth--I thought college football was special because every game matters. UCF payed 12 games that apparently dont matter. Well--thats just the G5 you say. "The G5 never matters." Ok then---what about the Big10 and Pac12. The Big10 and Pac12 just played an entire conference schedule plus two CCG's that didnt matter. Make the regular season and conference races matter. Make conference championships matter.

Finally, we really dont have any idea how many times the real NCAA champ has been eliminated on Selection Sunday. In the CFP 4-team format, the VERY FIRST YEAR--a 4 seed won the national championship. How many times might this have been the result in past years before there were 4 teams? In fact, how many times might the 5th, 6th, 7th, or 8th seed had won if given the opportunity? My guess is---probably more than you might expect.
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RE: Never thought I ever agree with Dennis Dodd
(12-05-2017 03:55 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Frank,

The lack of logic, or wild conclusion of Dennis Dodd, should not be surprising. While many here note (and more on twitter) how generally less than intelligent Dodd is, the same can be said for nearly every sportswriter and broadcaster. A few at least have some logic pattern in their thinking and a few have some brights, but it's not a very intelligent group on the whole, compared to say a room full of Engineers, Doctors or Lawyers, and they lack the thought process of businessmen. Hence they are always surprised by off field decisions.

Consider who goes into the field, it's not the best and brightest. In the SF Bay Area a political hack like Monte Pool is considered intelligent, because his fellow sports reporters cannot tell the difference between Democratic Party talking points and actual considered thought. This is the norm. You expect too much if you expect logic from these folks. Heck most of them think G5 football schools make money. They have no clue how much those programs are subsidized via tax dollars indirectly.

Now to the subject on hand. I agree on the 5 P5 champions, I am less thrilled with the G5 getting a bid. I think they should be in the pool to consider, but should not automatically be in one of those three slots. This Year UCF and I think that 2004 Boise State team I'd be fine with. But others like WMU last year ... no. Perhaps a top 15 or top 12 ranking would be required.

The biggest problem I see is the semi-final games. Getting decent turnout almost forces on campus. but you don't want a game in Ann Arbor. I'd suggest for northern schools the nearest NFL Dome (Lions for the Michigan schools, Lucas Oil for most of the B1G; Jerry world can serve for Texas and Oklahoma teams that advance from B12; P12 North schools perhaps Levi Stadium and so on).

But going to 8 would actually make the Conference Championships matter. Note, I'd also add a rule that for a non-P5 champion they must play 10 P5 games to qualify. The G5 obviously exempt, as a different criteria would be used to select them.

Oh, my early favorite for G5 access next year is Florida Atlantic -- they have the coach and most of their players coming back, should run the CUSA table again, but need to win 3 OOC games, which I think they will.

Considering they have Oklahoma and UCF on the road next year, that's a tall order. If they pull it off, I guess they will deserve it.
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ESPN may not be in a spending mood and may encourage the CFP to keep the current model through 2025 but 2026 barring apocalypse is going to arrive eventually and there will be a college football season and some manner of maximizing revenue via a post-season event.

An 8 team playoff will be a major event that features seven high value football games that someone is going to want the media rights to.

Division II had a 28 team field and three bowls for non-playoff teams. NW Missouri played 15 games with about 1/3rd of the scholarships of Alabama. Division III has a 32 team playoff with no scholarship players (though they play a shorter regular season).

Anyone who was paying attention knows the 12 game season was created as a poison pill to kill playoff talk.

If anyone has GENIUNE concern for player health they can step up and call for an 11 game season and a 16 team playoff with every conference receiving an auto bid.

As it stands barring cancellations 130 schools will play 12 games and at least 78 will play 13, and starting next year at least 20 will play 14 and we may have a couple go 15.

Cut the season back to 11 games. 20 will play 12 thanks to conference title games. The playoff will have at least 10 who played 12 and 0 to 6 more who played 12. Assuming only conference title game participants advance then you will have two schools play 16, two more end at 15, four more end at 14. So two more schools play one more game than currently but overall fewer games are played total by a significant amount.
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RE: Never thought I ever agree with Dennis Dodd
(12-05-2017 03:55 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Frank,

The lack of logic, or wild conclusion of Dennis Dodd, should not be surprising. While many here note (and more on twitter) how generally less than intelligent Dodd is, the same can be said for nearly every sportswriter and broadcaster.

Dodd is good at having sources and having sources tell him things. This column was, not that. Moving on.

Quote:Hence they are always surprised by off field decisions.

Quote:Now to the subject on hand. I agree on the 5 P5 champions, I am less thrilled with the G5 getting a bid. I think they should be in the pool to consider, but should not automatically be in one of those three slots. This Year UCF and I think that 2004 Boise State team I'd be fine with. But others like WMU last year ... no. Perhaps a top 15 or top 12 ranking would be required.

Now you're being surprised by off-the-field decisions. The G5 isn't going to agree to sit quietly and approve this if they get LESS than they have now, which is 1 bid out of however many there are. They can't face their stakeholders and say "well we got X" when X is clearly less than what they have now.

Quote:The biggest problem I see is the semi-final games.

I agree. If you're relying on fans, you're talking about a trip to the CCG, to the New Years' quarterfinal, and adding a semifinal. I'd expect the semifinal and quarterfinal sites to rotate in the 6 New Years Bowls (2 bowls "double-host" much like the old BCS), so it's a known destination.

Will the schools be able to sell out their ticket allotments for 4 road trips? PRobably, but that's a concern.
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(12-05-2017 04:49 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 03:55 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Frank,

The lack of logic, or wild conclusion of Dennis Dodd, should not be surprising. While many here note (and more on twitter) how generally less than intelligent Dodd is, the same can be said for nearly every sportswriter and broadcaster.

Dodd is good at having sources and having sources tell him things. This column was, not that. Moving on.

Quote:Hence they are always surprised by off field decisions.

Quote:Now to the subject on hand. I agree on the 5 P5 champions, I am less thrilled with the G5 getting a bid. I think they should be in the pool to consider, but should not automatically be in one of those three slots. This Year UCF and I think that 2004 Boise State team I'd be fine with. But others like WMU last year ... no. Perhaps a top 15 or top 12 ranking would be required.

Now you're being surprised by off-the-field decisions. The G5 isn't going to agree to sit quietly and approve this if they get LESS than they have now, which is 1 bid out of however many there are. They can't face their stakeholders and say "well we got X" when X is clearly less than what they have now.

Quote:The biggest problem I see is the semi-final games.

I agree. If you're relying on fans, you're talking about a trip to the CCG, to the New Years' quarterfinal, and adding a semifinal. I'd expect the semifinal and quarterfinal sites to rotate in the 6 New Years Bowls (2 bowls "double-host" much like the old BCS), so it's a known destination.

Will the schools be able to sell out their ticket allotments for 4 road trips? PRobably, but that's a concern.

In my perfect world, the bowls would host the quarterfinals on/around New Years. Then, the *semifinals* would be on-campus games at the two highest ranked remaining teams. That gives every playoff participant a bowl trip and provides a true home field advantage to the two highest ranked opponents in the semifinal round (which is a big-time incentive to get as high of a ranking as you can plus reduces travel fatigue). There are some logistical concerns with that type of format (e.g. winterized Northern stadiums), but I like that format more than making the first round into on-campus games (because maybe it's just me, but I can't stand the thought of having the "reward" for the very best elite teams of being a December road trip to a place like Tuscaloosa while inferior teams get to go to LA, Miami or Orlando for New Years).
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There were no haves and have nots in choosing a champ. You had champs and co-champs of schools that are not part of the P5. You had Army, Rice, SMU, BYU and the Ivy League teams, plus you do had co-champs of schools that are now FCS, D2 and D3 now. The P5 have been created by ESPN since the late 1980s. It shows that even big names do not mean that they are big names today like Miami Florida. LSU, Nebraska and Texas also lost the gleam in recent years, and so have Colorado, USC, UCLA and Washington. Right now, people are tired of seeing Alabama, Ohio State, Oklahoma and Clemson in the playoffs every year it seems. You can tell the ratings drop each year when it is the same teams get in every year.
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(12-05-2017 05:16 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 04:49 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-05-2017 03:55 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Frank,

The lack of logic, or wild conclusion of Dennis Dodd, should not be surprising. While many here note (and more on twitter) how generally less than intelligent Dodd is, the same can be said for nearly every sportswriter and broadcaster.

Dodd is good at having sources and having sources tell him things. This column was, not that. Moving on.

Quote:Hence they are always surprised by off field decisions.

Quote:Now to the subject on hand. I agree on the 5 P5 champions, I am less thrilled with the G5 getting a bid. I think they should be in the pool to consider, but should not automatically be in one of those three slots. This Year UCF and I think that 2004 Boise State team I'd be fine with. But others like WMU last year ... no. Perhaps a top 15 or top 12 ranking would be required.

Now you're being surprised by off-the-field decisions. The G5 isn't going to agree to sit quietly and approve this if they get LESS than they have now, which is 1 bid out of however many there are. They can't face their stakeholders and say "well we got X" when X is clearly less than what they have now.

Quote:The biggest problem I see is the semi-final games.

I agree. If you're relying on fans, you're talking about a trip to the CCG, to the New Years' quarterfinal, and adding a semifinal. I'd expect the semifinal and quarterfinal sites to rotate in the 6 New Years Bowls (2 bowls "double-host" much like the old BCS), so it's a known destination.

Will the schools be able to sell out their ticket allotments for 4 road trips? PRobably, but that's a concern.

In my perfect world, the bowls would host the quarterfinals on/around New Years. Then, the *semifinals* would be on-campus games at the two highest ranked remaining teams. That gives every playoff participant a bowl trip and provides a true home field advantage to the two highest ranked opponents in the semifinal round (which is a big-time incentive to get as high of a ranking as you can plus reduces travel fatigue). There are some logistical concerns with that type of format (e.g. winterized Northern stadiums), but I like that format more than making the first round into on-campus games (because maybe it's just me, but I can't stand the thought of having the "reward" for the very best elite teams of being a December road trip to a place like Tuscaloosa while inferior teams get to go to LA, Miami or Orlando for New Years).

What's the matter Frank? Tuscaloosa is great.............


.....when compared to Starkville or Fayetteville!03-wink
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(12-05-2017 03:55 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  This Year UCF and I think that 2004 Boise State team I'd be fine with. But others like WMU last year ... no. Perhaps a top 15 or top 12 ranking would be required.

That simply means the new high for G5 is 17 to 20
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(12-05-2017 06:28 PM)Wedge Wrote:  cbssports . com? L-O-L.

Just gonna leave this here...

CBS Sports "Accidentally" Plagiarized SB Nation Posts Due To "Technical Issue"

Quote:CBS Sports has blamed a “technical issue” for scraping blogs from various SB Nation team sites and posting them in full on its website with no attribution, according to a statement from CBS Sports Digital to Deadspin.

The confusion began last week and grew today, when SB Nation writers posted on Twitter about the apparent plagiarism. Other Twitter users wondered if SB Nation had some sort of content-sharing deal with CBS Sports.
Quote:The CBS spokeswoman did not respond to a followup email asking for specifics on the technical issue.

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