(12-05-2017 10:42 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 10:07 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 09:58 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 09:47 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 09:31 AM)fsquid Wrote:  DB is a major player in the Russian banking scene though.

They are a global bank. They have locations in who knows how many countries.

I realize that as I can see their logo from where I sit here. I'm saying the Russian banking sector has a small number of players in which DB is a major part of it.

According to the Central Bank of Russia, a number of banks have been very good in their operations. They have had a sustained growth, becoming leaders in the financial sector. Today we bring to you the top 10 largest banks in Russia, which the central bank has referred to as “systemic institutions.”
Sberbank
Sberbank is the largest bank in Russia. The largest shareholder is the Central bank of Russia with 50% of its authorized capital. The remaining shares are held by domestic and foreign investors. Since 1996, Sberbank’s shares have been publicly traded in Russia and have been admitted to trade over the counter in the United States. Additionally, they are listed in the Frankfurt stock exchange.
VTB Bank
VTB is the second largest bank in Russia with the government owning 60% of the shares. Its shares are among the most liquid in the entire Federation. They are publicly traded both in Russia and London stock Exchange.
Gazprombank
The bank has an extensive network across the Russian Federation. It has over 500 offices delivering quality and customer friendly services to clients. In both 2001 and 2005, the Banker magazine declared Gazprombank the bank of the year.
Alfa Bank
Alfa Bank was founded in 1990. Today, it is among the leading private banks. Alfa Bank is actively involved in corporate banking, investment banking, retail banking, interbank SME, leasing, structured finance and retail lending.
PromSvyazBank
Founded in 1995, PromSvyazBank is currently one of the largest privately owned banks in Russia. Unlike some other banks where the government has a significant share, this bank is entirely owned by private individuals. In terms of capital, it ranks among the top 500 worldwide.
Otkritie Financial Corporation Bank
Established in 1993, Otkritie Financial Corporation Bank is privately owned. It is part of Otkritie FC Banking group comprising of the corporation bank and Khanty Mansiysk Otkritie Bank. The group is ranked first among private banks in Russia.
Russian Agricultural Bank
Russian Agricultural Bank, popularly known as RusAg, is wholly owned by the Government of Russia. It is regulated by the Central Bank of Russia. One of its key areas of focus is the provision of credit to agribusinesses. Today, the bank operates 77 branches and 1,300 offices across the Federation. RusAg has the second largest number of branches in the country. As a result, it is able to reach the clients for the purpose of marketing as well as offering them services.
UniCredit Bank
UniCredit is leading commercial bank not only in Russia but also in Europe. It operates in over 20 Eastern and Central European Countries. To facilitate its operations, the bank has 9,300 branches and over 159,000 employees serving its customers in the various countries of operation.
AO Raiffeisenbank
AO Raiffeisenbank is one of the market leaders in Russia. It offers retail lending and banking services. It is owned by Raiffeisen Bank International AG.
Rosbank
Rosbank forms part of Societe Generale Group. As a policy of the group, the bank focuses on improving the quality of services offered to clients, leading in innovation, and sustainable business growth.


Read More https://www.techbullion.com/top-10-large...ks-russia/


1 Sberbank 15.8
2 VTB 5.2
3 Gazprombank 3.5
4 VTB-24 2.0
5 Rosselkhozbank 1.8
6 Bank of Moscow 1.8
7 Alfa Bank 1.4
8 Nomos Bank 0.8
9 Unicredit 0.8
10 Rosbank 0.7
11 Promsvyazbank 0.7
12 Raiffeisenbank 0.7
This page was last updated on August 1, 2017.
By Amber Pariona

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-l...ussia.html


Not seeing them in the top 50, am I missing something?


№ Bank Net assets*, $m Liquid assets*, $m Capital resourses*, $m Balance profit*, $m
1 SBERBANK 50 138,0 1 073,1 5 771,6 957,8
2 VNESHTORGBANK 10 684,5 177,2 1 901,8 134,5
3 GAZPROMBANK 8 452,5 387,2 1 046,2 234,9
4 ALFA-BANK 6 348,9 849,1 877,6 8,1
5 ROSBANK 3 964,2 411,5 444,2 20,8
6 MDM-BANK 3 772,6 589,1 427,2 35,9
7 BANK OF MOSCOW 3 391,9 365,3 423,9 54,1
8 INTERNATIONAL INDUSTRIAL BANK 2 927,9 94,3 963,2 16,2
9 INTERNATIONAL MOSCOW BANK 2 702,2 116,4 256,1 46,4
10 RAIFFEISENBANK AUSTRIA 2 417,9 125,8 207,3 30,4
11 INDUSTRIAL AND CONSTRUCTION BANK 2 238,1 161,6 265,1 67,8
12 CITIBANK 2 228,6 82,6 305,6 16,5
13 URALSIB 2 142,9 215,0 364,8 25,3
14 PROMSVYAZBANK 1 424,8 154,8 153,3 12,8
15 NIK OIL 1 408,5 160,1 248,8 26,0
16 PETROKOMMERZ 1 388,9 114,9 229,6 17,9
17 NOMOS-BANK 1 370,7 67,3 175,0 6,0
18 GUTA-BANK 1 221,4 121,5 157,8 8,2
19 GLOBEX 1 174,0 73,4 368,1 25,4
20 ZENIT BANK 1 170,5 79,7 158,6 16,0
21 AVTOBANK-NIK OIL 1 164,0 79,3 231,4 10,0
22 VOSROZHDENIYE 1 024,9 95,1 112,0 8,1
23 BIN 975,4 48,7 113,9 5,7
24 EUROFINANCE MOSNARBANK 946,0 50,4 192,3 15,2
25 MENATEP SPB 942,9 233,5 120,7 3,8
26 AK BARS 931,8 103,6 124,3 8,4
27 SOYUZ 931,4 32,8 138,9 n/a
28 TRUST 926,9 26,8 164,7 n/a
29 IMPEXBANK 887,1 73,3 120,5 9,2
30 SURGUTNEFTEGAZBANK 846,6 158,5 62,8 4,3
31 TRANSKREDITBANK 841,4 132,5 145,3 18,5
32 RUSSIAN STANDARD 815,9 195,6 178,3 78,3
33 COMMERZBANK EURASIA 814,2 8,9 50,9 12,9
34 NATIONAL RESERVE BANK 797,4 55,2 205,3 23,7
35 BANK OF KHANTY-MANSIYSK 723,4 186,4 108,4 7,2
36 MOSCOW BANK FOR RECONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT 666,7 176,1 101,1 9,7
37 BANK ABN AMRO 665,0 41,1 78,7 6,6
38 ING BANK EURASIA 650,9 24,7 101,9 n/a
39 SOBINBANK 621,0 44,4 162,9 5,7
40 BALTIC BANK 595,3 38,6 58,0 7,0
41 MOSCOW INDUSTRIAL BANK 588,2 37,6 73,3 2,7
42 FIRST CZECH-RUSSIAN BANK 575,6 39,2 147,5 5,7
43 CREDIT AGROPROMBANK 567,1 181,2 60,8 10,1
44 ZAPSIBKOMBANK 522,8 166,1 60,4 10,7
45 SUDOSTROITELNY BANK 508,8 29,9 95,6 7,7
46 ROSSELKHOZBANK 500,7 33,4 168,7 2,2
47 AVANGARD 494,9 33,6 99,6 11,3
48 VISAVI 477,9 52,0 155,6 1,2
49 CREDIT SWISS FIRST BOSTON 459,7 13,9 88,0 n/a
50 INTERNATIONAL BANK OF SPB 456,5 42,0 74,2 5,3

Yeah, you're not going to find them on a list of 2017 because they stopped doing business in Russia since they were fined record amounts for facilitating billions of dollars of Russian money to be moved offshore illegally. You've now made three posts on this subject which have shown you grasp nothing about the recent history of DB. Why not do some reading instead of throwing sh*t at the wall?

Why don't you show us proof that Trump was in collusion with the Russian government to win the election? Trump Organization has been doing business with DB going back to the late 90's. They have sued each other before.

And UCF08, show us the timeline of Trump's borrowing lending with DB. Do you really think Trump borrowed 300 Million magically from DB (with the Russian Government washing money to buy Trump via DB) when he decided to run for POTUS? LOL

(12-05-2017 10:55 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 10:42 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 10:07 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 09:58 AM)fsquid Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 09:47 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  They are a global bank. They have locations in who knows how many countries.

I realize that as I can see their logo from where I sit here. I'm saying the Russian banking sector has a small number of players in which DB is a major part of it.

According to the Central Bank of Russia, a number of banks have been very good in their operations. They have had a sustained growth, becoming leaders in the financial sector. Today we bring to you the top 10 largest banks in Russia, which the central bank has referred to as “systemic institutions.”
Sberbank
Sberbank is the largest bank in Russia. The largest shareholder is the Central bank of Russia with 50% of its authorized capital. The remaining shares are held by domestic and foreign investors. Since 1996, Sberbank’s shares have been publicly traded in Russia and have been admitted to trade over the counter in the United States. Additionally, they are listed in the Frankfurt stock exchange.
VTB Bank
VTB is the second largest bank in Russia with the government owning 60% of the shares. Its shares are among the most liquid in the entire Federation. They are publicly traded both in Russia and London stock Exchange.
Gazprombank
The bank has an extensive network across the Russian Federation. It has over 500 offices delivering quality and customer friendly services to clients. In both 2001 and 2005, the Banker magazine declared Gazprombank the bank of the year.
Alfa Bank
Alfa Bank was founded in 1990. Today, it is among the leading private banks. Alfa Bank is actively involved in corporate banking, investment banking, retail banking, interbank SME, leasing, structured finance and retail lending.
PromSvyazBank
Founded in 1995, PromSvyazBank is currently one of the largest privately owned banks in Russia. Unlike some other banks where the government has a significant share, this bank is entirely owned by private individuals. In terms of capital, it ranks among the top 500 worldwide.
Otkritie Financial Corporation Bank
Established in 1993, Otkritie Financial Corporation Bank is privately owned. It is part of Otkritie FC Banking group comprising of the corporation bank and Khanty Mansiysk Otkritie Bank. The group is ranked first among private banks in Russia.
Russian Agricultural Bank
Russian Agricultural Bank, popularly known as RusAg, is wholly owned by the Government of Russia. It is regulated by the Central Bank of Russia. One of its key areas of focus is the provision of credit to agribusinesses. Today, the bank operates 77 branches and 1,300 offices across the Federation. RusAg has the second largest number of branches in the country. As a result, it is able to reach the clients for the purpose of marketing as well as offering them services.
UniCredit Bank
UniCredit is leading commercial bank not only in Russia but also in Europe. It operates in over 20 Eastern and Central European Countries. To facilitate its operations, the bank has 9,300 branches and over 159,000 employees serving its customers in the various countries of operation.
AO Raiffeisenbank
AO Raiffeisenbank is one of the market leaders in Russia. It offers retail lending and banking services. It is owned by Raiffeisen Bank International AG.
Rosbank
Rosbank forms part of Societe Generale Group. As a policy of the group, the bank focuses on improving the quality of services offered to clients, leading in innovation, and sustainable business growth.


Read More https://www.techbullion.com/top-10-large...ks-russia/


1 Sberbank 15.8
2 VTB 5.2
3 Gazprombank 3.5
4 VTB-24 2.0
5 Rosselkhozbank 1.8
6 Bank of Moscow 1.8
7 Alfa Bank 1.4
8 Nomos Bank 0.8
9 Unicredit 0.8
10 Rosbank 0.7
11 Promsvyazbank 0.7
12 Raiffeisenbank 0.7
This page was last updated on August 1, 2017.
By Amber Pariona

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-l...ussia.html


Not seeing them in the top 50, am I missing something?


№ Bank Net assets*, $m Liquid assets*, $m Capital resourses*, $m Balance profit*, $m
1 SBERBANK 50 138,0 1 073,1 5 771,6 957,8
2 VNESHTORGBANK 10 684,5 177,2 1 901,8 134,5
3 GAZPROMBANK 8 452,5 387,2 1 046,2 234,9
4 ALFA-BANK 6 348,9 849,1 877,6 8,1
5 ROSBANK 3 964,2 411,5 444,2 20,8
6 MDM-BANK 3 772,6 589,1 427,2 35,9
7 BANK OF MOSCOW 3 391,9 365,3 423,9 54,1
8 INTERNATIONAL INDUSTRIAL BANK 2 927,9 94,3 963,2 16,2
9 INTERNATIONAL MOSCOW BANK 2 702,2 116,4 256,1 46,4
10 RAIFFEISENBANK AUSTRIA 2 417,9 125,8 207,3 30,4
11 INDUSTRIAL AND CONSTRUCTION BANK 2 238,1 161,6 265,1 67,8
12 CITIBANK 2 228,6 82,6 305,6 16,5
13 URALSIB 2 142,9 215,0 364,8 25,3
14 PROMSVYAZBANK 1 424,8 154,8 153,3 12,8
15 NIK OIL 1 408,5 160,1 248,8 26,0
16 PETROKOMMERZ 1 388,9 114,9 229,6 17,9
17 NOMOS-BANK 1 370,7 67,3 175,0 6,0
18 GUTA-BANK 1 221,4 121,5 157,8 8,2
19 GLOBEX 1 174,0 73,4 368,1 25,4
20 ZENIT BANK 1 170,5 79,7 158,6 16,0
21 AVTOBANK-NIK OIL 1 164,0 79,3 231,4 10,0
22 VOSROZHDENIYE 1 024,9 95,1 112,0 8,1
23 BIN 975,4 48,7 113,9 5,7
24 EUROFINANCE MOSNARBANK 946,0 50,4 192,3 15,2
25 MENATEP SPB 942,9 233,5 120,7 3,8
26 AK BARS 931,8 103,6 124,3 8,4
27 SOYUZ 931,4 32,8 138,9 n/a
28 TRUST 926,9 26,8 164,7 n/a
29 IMPEXBANK 887,1 73,3 120,5 9,2
30 SURGUTNEFTEGAZBANK 846,6 158,5 62,8 4,3
31 TRANSKREDITBANK 841,4 132,5 145,3 18,5
32 RUSSIAN STANDARD 815,9 195,6 178,3 78,3
33 COMMERZBANK EURASIA 814,2 8,9 50,9 12,9
34 NATIONAL RESERVE BANK 797,4 55,2 205,3 23,7
35 BANK OF KHANTY-MANSIYSK 723,4 186,4 108,4 7,2
36 MOSCOW BANK FOR RECONSTRUCTION AND DEVELOPMENT 666,7 176,1 101,1 9,7
37 BANK ABN AMRO 665,0 41,1 78,7 6,6
38 ING BANK EURASIA 650,9 24,7 101,9 n/a
39 SOBINBANK 621,0 44,4 162,9 5,7
40 BALTIC BANK 595,3 38,6 58,0 7,0
41 MOSCOW INDUSTRIAL BANK 588,2 37,6 73,3 2,7
42 FIRST CZECH-RUSSIAN BANK 575,6 39,2 147,5 5,7
43 CREDIT AGROPROMBANK 567,1 181,2 60,8 10,1
44 ZAPSIBKOMBANK 522,8 166,1 60,4 10,7
45 SUDOSTROITELNY BANK 508,8 29,9 95,6 7,7
46 ROSSELKHOZBANK 500,7 33,4 168,7 2,2
47 AVANGARD 494,9 33,6 99,6 11,3
48 VISAVI 477,9 52,0 155,6 1,2
49 CREDIT SWISS FIRST BOSTON 459,7 13,9 88,0 n/a
50 INTERNATIONAL BANK OF SPB 456,5 42,0 74,2 5,3

Yeah, you're not going to find them on a list of 2017 because they stopped doing business in Russia since they were fined record amounts for facilitating billions of dollars of Russian money to be moved offshore illegally. You've now made three posts on this subject which have shown you grasp nothing about the recent history of DB. Why not do some reading instead of throwing sh*t at the wall?

Why don't you show us proof that Trump was in collusion with the Russian government to win the election? Trump Organization has been doing business with DB going back to the late 90's. They have sued each other before.

We have a team who is much better at that sort of stuff, along with the legal power to obtain the evidence needed, doing that right now. Who knows how it turns out, but in my experience, this many administration officials lying about their contact with Russian officials and Kremlin tied persons doesn't bode well. But, again, we'll see what the investigation uncovers. Sitting around here with our dicks in our hands is fun to pass the time, but none of us have any knowledge of what Mueller has found or where his investigation is going.

And nice job trying to change the subject from your embarrassing DB posts so far, but it's a little too transparent to work. You were wrong, at least acknowledge it.

Another story on the subpoena - this time from Reuters. Perhaps it's possible that Trump was given loans by DB in exchange for allowing the bank to utilize his assets to help launder money for the Russian Oligarchs.

If all of this is true, then Trump should get the boot. I fail to see any evidence of Trump colluding with Russians during the election; however, if he was laundering money for Russian mobsters (including Putin?), then that's pretty low.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t...SKBN1DZ0XN

Quote:The German bank is one of the few major lenders that has lent large amounts to Trump in the past decade. A string of bankruptcies at his hotel and casino businesses during the 1990s made most of Wall Street wary of extending him credit.

Trump got a $106 million loan from Deutsche Bank in 2011 to buy Doral, the golf resort in Miami, according to property filings with the local land register. The Doral loans mature in 2023, his electoral filings show.

Separately, Deutsche Bank has lent Trump up to $170 million for the Old Post Office, a historic Washington property where he has opened a hotel.

The bank also gave his Trump Int’l Hotel and Tower, Chicago, a loan of up to $640 million, according to a 2012 property filing.

U.S. House Democrats have argued that U.S. federal laws protecting banking customers’ confidentiality do not apply to requests from Congress.

In January, Deutsche Bank agreed to pay $630 million in fines for organizing $10 billion in sham trades that could have been used to launder money out of Russia.

(12-05-2017 09:57 AM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  What a mess.

If Mueller finds something on Trump and it sticks then we have a constitutional crisis.
If they find nothing on Trump then the FBI and Special Counsels are forever tarnished.

Your comment gave me an opening for a question I've been meaning to ask.

Here's the question.

How could a special prosecutor with a multi-million dollar budget and a team of lawyers poking around in every transaction of an individual's life, male or female, 60 years or older, who have been in the business world their entire lives and have become multi-millionaires and president of the United States in the process, not find SOMETHING that would give their enemies ammo to claim they were unfit for office?

(12-05-2017 11:04 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  And UCF08, show us the timeline of Trump's borrowing lending with DB. Do you really think Trump borrowed 300 Million magically from DB (with the Russian Government washing money to buy Trump via DB) when he decided to run for POTUS? LOL

Where have I ever claimed he borrowed 300 million? You're just setting up a strawman because everything you've said on this subject so far has been patently wrong.

Trump got loans from a bank which was hammered for laundering over $10 billion in Russian money. The Trump administration is currently being investigated for possible collusion with Russia. This isn't some left field fishing expedition, this is a logical inquiry which every American who simply wants to make sure our president is not beholden to any foreign interest would agree with.

Why are you so scared to let this investigation play out?

(12-05-2017 11:20 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 09:57 AM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  What a mess.

If Mueller finds something on Trump and it sticks then we have a constitutional crisis.
If they find nothing on Trump then the FBI and Special Counsels are forever tarnished.

Your comment gave me an opening for a question I've been meaning to ask.

Here's the question.

How could a special prosecutor with a multi-million dollar budget and a team of lawyers poking around in every transaction of an individual's life, male or female, 60 years or older, who have been in the business world their entire lives and have become multi-millionaires and president of the United States in the process, not find SOMETHING that would give their enemies ammo to claim they were unfit for office?

again....this was predicted by many....

I would deem this as DJT's biggest mistake to date.....he should never have appointed special council.....especially with that ************.....

I still don't see anything coming out of this........but you never know what that spin will generate.....

he grabbed the bull.....if he get's horned on this one and it sticks, it will be his biggest misstep to date since the 'grab it' recording was unleashed.....

(12-05-2017 11:20 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 09:57 AM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  What a mess.

If Mueller finds something on Trump and it sticks then we have a constitutional crisis.
If they find nothing on Trump then the FBI and Special Counsels are forever tarnished.

Your comment gave me an opening for a question I've been meaning to ask.

Here's the question.

How could a special prosecutor with a multi-million dollar budget and a team of lawyers poking around in every transaction of an individual's life, male or female, 60 years or older, who have been in the business world their entire lives and have become multi-millionaires and president of the United States in the process, not find SOMETHING that would give their enemies ammo to claim they were unfit for office?

Seems like you're assuming he's going to find some unpaid back taxes or something similarly pedestrian, why not wait until the findings are made public?

Quote:but in my experience,

looks like a fishing expedition to me...

(12-05-2017 09:57 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 09:37 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Sounds like Muehller got nothing from Flynn, thats what it sounds like. And he needs something before the heat comes in on Hillary again.

That and the house of cards surrounding Buellers series of BFF’s in #’s2,3,4 spots at FBI under him and Comey smells to high heaven.

The swamp is circling the wagons around their own, yet again.

Not entirely surprising to see, seems this is going to pretty quickly degenerate into a battle royale between a Trump DOJ and this so-called Independent counsel. Which very clearly it’s not.

I love the smell of fear in the morning.

(12-05-2017 11:25 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:20 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 09:57 AM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  What a mess.

If Mueller finds something on Trump and it sticks then we have a constitutional crisis.
If they find nothing on Trump then the FBI and Special Counsels are forever tarnished.

Your comment gave me an opening for a question I've been meaning to ask.

Here's the question.

How could a special prosecutor with a multi-million dollar budget and a team of lawyers poking around in every transaction of an individual's life, male or female, 60 years or older, who have been in the business world their entire lives and have become multi-millionaires and president of the United States in the process, not find SOMETHING that would give their enemies ammo to claim they were unfit for office?

Seems like you're assuming he's going to find some unpaid back taxes or something similarly pedestrian, why not wait until the findings are made public?

No, I didn't assume anything other than my suggestion that NO MAN OR WOMAN would likely withstand someone examining them from ******* to appetite without finding SOMETHING their enemies could use against them.

The possible exception might be the community organizer because, well, he never did anything of substance before being elected president.

(12-05-2017 11:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:04 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  And UCF08, show us the timeline of Trump's borrowing lending with DB. Do you really think Trump borrowed 300 Million magically from DB (with the Russian Government washing money to buy Trump via DB) when he decided to run for POTUS? LOL

Where have I ever claimed he borrowed 300 million? You're just setting up a strawman because everything you've said on this subject so far has been patently wrong.

Trump got loans from a bank which was hammered for laundering over $10 billion in Russian money. The Trump administration is currently being investigated for possible collusion with Russia. This isn't some left field fishing expedition, this is a logical inquiry which every American who simply wants to make sure our president is not beholden to any foreign interest would agree with.

Why are you so scared to let this investigation play out?

How much money did the Russians give to DB so they could give it to Trump? What does Russia get in return? If Russia can do bot farms on social media and hack the DNC why is there any need to "buy" Trump. LOL. Why did the DNC never give their server to the FBI? Which tin foil hat looks good today?

(12-05-2017 11:31 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:04 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  And UCF08, show us the timeline of Trump's borrowing lending with DB. Do you really think Trump borrowed 300 Million magically from DB (with the Russian Government washing money to buy Trump via DB) when he decided to run for POTUS? LOL

Where have I ever claimed he borrowed 300 million? You're just setting up a strawman because everything you've said on this subject so far has been patently wrong.

Trump got loans from a bank which was hammered for laundering over $10 billion in Russian money. The Trump administration is currently being investigated for possible collusion with Russia. This isn't some left field fishing expedition, this is a logical inquiry which every American who simply wants to make sure our president is not beholden to any foreign interest would agree with.

Why are you so scared to let this investigation play out?

How much money did the Russians give to DB so they could give it to Trump? What does Russia get in return? If Russia can do bot farms on social media and hack the DNC why is there any need to "buy" Trump. LOL. Why did the DNC never give their server to the FBI? Which tin foil hat looks good today?

Dude, you lost. UCF defeated you. Lick your wounds and come back to fight another day.

(12-05-2017 11:31 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:04 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  And UCF08, show us the timeline of Trump's borrowing lending with DB. Do you really think Trump borrowed 300 Million magically from DB (with the Russian Government washing money to buy Trump via DB) when he decided to run for POTUS? LOL

Where have I ever claimed he borrowed 300 million? You're just setting up a strawman because everything you've said on this subject so far has been patently wrong.

Trump got loans from a bank which was hammered for laundering over $10 billion in Russian money. The Trump administration is currently being investigated for possible collusion with Russia. This isn't some left field fishing expedition, this is a logical inquiry which every American who simply wants to make sure our president is not beholden to any foreign interest would agree with.

Why are you so scared to let this investigation play out?

How much money did the Russians give to DB so they could give it to Trump? What does Russia get in return? If Russia can do bot farms on social media and hack the DNC why is there any need to "buy" Trump. LOL. Why did the DNC never give their server to the FBI? Which tin foil hat looks good today?

Yes, because Russia could one thing, it means they certainly didn't do other, related things?

By all means, continue to sh*tpost this thread up with nonsense statements like this one or the factually incorrect ones previous to it.

(12-05-2017 11:28 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:25 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:20 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 09:57 AM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  What a mess.

If Mueller finds something on Trump and it sticks then we have a constitutional crisis.
If they find nothing on Trump then the FBI and Special Counsels are forever tarnished.

Your comment gave me an opening for a question I've been meaning to ask.

Here's the question.

How could a special prosecutor with a multi-million dollar budget and a team of lawyers poking around in every transaction of an individual's life, male or female, 60 years or older, who have been in the business world their entire lives and have become multi-millionaires and president of the United States in the process, not find SOMETHING that would give their enemies ammo to claim they were unfit for office?

Seems like you're assuming he's going to find some unpaid back taxes or something similarly pedestrian, why not wait until the findings are made public?

No, I didn't assume anything other than my suggestion that NO MAN OR WOMAN would likely withstand someone examining them from ******* to appetite without finding SOMETHING their enemies could use against them.

The possible exception might be the community organizer because, well, he never did anything of substance before being elected president.

So, then, what is your argument? Should we not investigate any official? Should we ignore any wrongdoing an official has done previous to his job in office? Of course not, that's ludicrous.

The fact is, you don't have an argument, you're simply worried that Trump has enough serious baggage that it would derail his presidency. Well, guess what? Don't vote for a sketchy real estate conman who lies about releasing his tax returns, among literally thousands of other things. He settled a lawsuit of alleging fraud during the election for gods sake. You guys chose this buffoon, crying foul when the obviously dirty guy might just turn out to be dirty makes you look like a petulant child.

(12-05-2017 11:16 AM)miko33 Wrote:  Another story on the subpoena - this time from Reuters. Perhaps it's possible that Trump was given loans by DB in exchange for allowing the bank to utilize his assets to help launder money for the Russian Oligarchs.

If all of this is true, then Trump should get the boot. I fail to see any evidence of Trump colluding with Russians during the election; however, if he was laundering money for Russian mobsters (including Putin?), then that's pretty low.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t...SKBN1DZ0XN

Quote:The German bank is one of the few major lenders that has lent large amounts to Trump in the past decade. A string of bankruptcies at his hotel and casino businesses during the 1990s made most of Wall Street wary of extending him credit.

Trump got a $106 million loan from Deutsche Bank in 2011 to buy Doral, the golf resort in Miami, according to property filings with the local land register. The Doral loans mature in 2023, his electoral filings show.

Separately, Deutsche Bank has lent Trump up to $170 million for the Old Post Office, a historic Washington property where he has opened a hotel.

The bank also gave his Trump Int’l Hotel and Tower, Chicago, a loan of up to $640 million, according to a 2012 property filing.

U.S. House Democrats have argued that U.S. federal laws protecting banking customers’ confidentiality do not apply to requests from Congress.

In January, Deutsche Bank agreed to pay $630 million in fines for organizing $10 billion in sham trades that could have been used to launder money out of Russia.

And those sham trades have what to do with Trump? Nothing.

(12-05-2017 11:33 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:31 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:21 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:04 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  And UCF08, show us the timeline of Trump's borrowing lending with DB. Do you really think Trump borrowed 300 Million magically from DB (with the Russian Government washing money to buy Trump via DB) when he decided to run for POTUS? LOL

Where have I ever claimed he borrowed 300 million? You're just setting up a strawman because everything you've said on this subject so far has been patently wrong.

Trump got loans from a bank which was hammered for laundering over $10 billion in Russian money. The Trump administration is currently being investigated for possible collusion with Russia. This isn't some left field fishing expedition, this is a logical inquiry which every American who simply wants to make sure our president is not beholden to any foreign interest would agree with.

Why are you so scared to let this investigation play out?

How much money did the Russians give to DB so they could give it to Trump? What does Russia get in return? If Russia can do bot farms on social media and hack the DNC why is there any need to "buy" Trump. LOL. Why did the DNC never give their server to the FBI? Which tin foil hat looks good today?

Dude, you lost. UCF defeated you. Lick your wounds and come back to fight another day.

Do you have post anything of substance? you guys have nothing. Off to yahoo for you.

(12-05-2017 11:28 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 09:57 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 09:37 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Sounds like Muehller got nothing from Flynn, thats what it sounds like. And he needs something before the heat comes in on Hillary again.

That and the house of cards surrounding Buellers series of BFF’s in #’s2,3,4 spots at FBI under him and Comey smells to high heaven.

The swamp is circling the wagons around their own, yet again.

Not entirely surprising to see, seems this is going to pretty quickly degenerate into a battle royale between a Trump DOJ and this so-called Independent counsel. Which very clearly it’s not.

I love the smell of fear in the morning.

might want to check your pants...

(12-05-2017 11:27 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  looks like a fishing expedition to me...

Sure. But a modern one, with a GPS, accurate reef charts, fishfinders to locate exactly where they are located, and very specific bait used to catch specific fish.

Let me try it this way. It turns out a "Clinton-associate", after being turned down my many other lenders due to questionable credit, was loaned large amounts of money by a bank which has been proven to be laundering Russian money during that period. Now that "Clinton-associate" is being investigated for his possibly illegal ties to Russia, and multiple close advisors to this "Clinton-associate" have been indicted for laundering money tied to DB via Cyprus. Would you still feel like the investigation looking into the loans from DB is just a 'fishing expedition'?