(12-06-2017 12:28 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 05:22 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 02:12 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 02:05 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Would suspect we go from 22K to around 25K. Would actually be surprised if it was a bigger bump than that regardless. Slow movers.

While him staying would give a minor charge to the fans, we should hope to increase season tickets by a few thousand regardless.

Keeping Norvell and upgrading the OOC schedule would REALLY help. Overall, the home OOC schedule really sux for the next few years. Given what happened to UCF this year, how can we dumb down the schedule and have any hope of ever sniffing the playoffs???

Kidding yourself thinking the schedule has anything to do with UCF not making the playoffs.

RPI has Bama's SOS at 42 and UCF is at 48. Basically no difference. While UCF won their conference and went undefeated.

Bama played 2 top 20 CFP teams all year, and went 1-1. UCF went 2-0 (against us).

Even if you could get them to play us - which you can't - schedule has zero to do with it.

Perhaps, but with a weak OOC schedule we have no argument. We wont get in and we wont deserve get in. Eventually, if a G5 has a strong enough case, they will break thru, but it sure wont happen playing CUSA & SunBelt teams (no offense to them, several are legit). Your solution is what they want - just give up.
For 2019, we should schedule a high-level Buy Game at. P5 power and then buyout the game at USA. We need to start scheduling H&H with MWC trams, also - Boise, Colorado St, SDSU, Fresno, UNLV. Those would be fun games wih a lot more national
interest than GaSt, USA, Ark St.

We have to really on whom ever the P5 team we play and beat have a really good year the rest of the way. Plus our conference opponents that we beat have to have a good year as well. Until there is a 8 team playoff where G5 is represented , Memphis most likely best case scenario is the Peach Bowl every year

(12-06-2017 12:28 AM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 05:22 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 02:12 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 02:05 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Would suspect we go from 22K to around 25K. Would actually be surprised if it was a bigger bump than that regardless. Slow movers.

While him staying would give a minor charge to the fans, we should hope to increase season tickets by a few thousand regardless.

Keeping Norvell and upgrading the OOC schedule would REALLY help. Overall, the home OOC schedule really sux for the next few years. Given what happened to UCF this year, how can we dumb down the schedule and have any hope of ever sniffing the playoffs???

Kidding yourself thinking the schedule has anything to do with UCF not making the playoffs.

RPI has Bama's SOS at 42 and UCF is at 48. Basically no difference. While UCF won their conference and went undefeated.

Bama played 2 top 20 CFP teams all year, and went 1-1. UCF went 2-0 (against us).

Even if you could get them to play us - which you can't - schedule has zero to do with it.

Perhaps, but with a weak OOC schedule we have no argument. We wont get in and we wont deserve get in. Eventually, if a G5 has a strong enough case, they will break thru, but it sure wont happen playing CUSA & SunBelt teams (no offense to them, several are legit). Your solution is what they want - just give up.
For 2019, we should schedule a high-level Buy Game at. P5 power and then buyout the game at USA. We need to start scheduling H&H with MWC trams, also - Boise, Colorado St, SDSU, Fresno, UNLV. Those would be fun games wih a lot more national
interest than GaSt, USA, Ark St.

We really can't afford to give the MWC legitimacy. Sure interesting games but we (AAC) don't want any losses to the MWC. Just have to find some P5s that will play us H/H. Even accepting some P5 buy games is a better alternative to playing below us, IMO.

Relative to the P5, I think the current actions of the P5 to systematically limit their playing G5s across the board by conference rules could be challenged legally. There are federal funds involved & equal access & restraint of trade could be argued.

We get the metrics, and UCF had some nice wins...but...

Yes, would think a Memphis would need to go undefeated AND have at minimum two of those wins over solid bigger schools. Beat a good OK State and a good Mississippi State and go undefeated in conference and it is possible. Add three wins like that and yes.

(12-06-2017 12:03 PM)Mimi Wrote:  We get the metrics, and UCF had some nice wins...but...

Yes, would think a Memphis would need to go undefeated AND have at minimum two of those wins over solid bigger schools. Beat a good OK State and a good Mississippi State and go undefeated in conference and it is possible. Add three wins like that and yes.

Agree. UCF didn't get a ton of credit for beating Memphis twice.

A team like UCF or Memphis probably needs 2-3 wins over high-level P5 programs, like an OK State or a Moo State (when those programs have good years). Hypothetically, let's say UCF had beaten OK State instead of Maryland and Moo State instead of some other bum team on their schedule. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that they would have been a serious contender for the playoff had they still gone undefeated. Don't know if they would have gotten in, but there would have been all kinds of debate about it. As it is, the playoff committee and national pundits didn't take them seriously based on their schedule. A win against Maryland and two against Memphis don't put them in the category with Alabama and Ohio State.

I glanced at the upcoming OOC schedules, and they are pretty disappointing. It's great that Norvell is coming back and you need to have a good team first and foremost, but scheduling also affects the interest in the product. It's a lot easier to draw big crowds when you mix in some marquee games in there.

(12-05-2017 05:22 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 02:12 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 02:05 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Would suspect we go from 22K to around 25K. Would actually be surprised if it was a bigger bump than that regardless. Slow movers.

While him staying would give a minor charge to the fans, we should hope to increase season tickets by a few thousand regardless.

Keeping Norvell and upgrading the OOC schedule would REALLY help. Overall, the home OOC schedule really sux for the next few years. Given what happened to UCF this year, how can we dumb down the schedule and have any hope of ever sniffing the playoffs???

Kidding yourself thinking the schedule has anything to do with UCF not making the playoffs.

RPI has Bama's SOS at 42 and UCF is at 48. Basically no difference. While UCF won their conference and went undefeated.

Bama played 2 top 20 CFP teams all year, and went 1-1. UCF went 2-0 (against us).

Even if you could get them to play us - which you can't - schedule has zero to do with it.

Strongly disagree with you there. You're throwing out numbers but forgetting about the "eye test" that all the national pundits refer to when writing off schools like UCF and Memphis.

You note that UCF went 2-0 against Top 20 CFP teams this season, both wins being against Memphis. And that's exactly why the committee doesn't give UCF credit for those wins. They were against Memphis, a team that they would say Alabama would have destroyed (and they may be right). Had UCF beaten OK State and Miss St, I bet things would be MUCH different. They don't discredit those kinds of teams when they have relatively good years.

Memphis and UCF and teams like them have to schedule OOC games against P5 teams, beat those teams and then hope those teams have successful years in their respective conferences.

(12-06-2017 12:38 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 05:22 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 02:12 PM)hsvtiger Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 02:05 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Would suspect we go from 22K to around 25K. Would actually be surprised if it was a bigger bump than that regardless. Slow movers.

While him staying would give a minor charge to the fans, we should hope to increase season tickets by a few thousand regardless.

Keeping Norvell and upgrading the OOC schedule would REALLY help. Overall, the home OOC schedule really sux for the next few years. Given what happened to UCF this year, how can we dumb down the schedule and have any hope of ever sniffing the playoffs???

Kidding yourself thinking the schedule has anything to do with UCF not making the playoffs.

RPI has Bama's SOS at 42 and UCF is at 48. Basically no difference. While UCF won their conference and went undefeated.

Bama played 2 top 20 CFP teams all year, and went 1-1. UCF went 2-0 (against us).

Even if you could get them to play us - which you can't - schedule has zero to do with it.

Strongly disagree with you there. You're throwing out numbers but forgetting about the "eye test" that all the national pundits refer to when writing off schools like UCF and Memphis.

You note that UCF went 2-0 against Top 20 CFP teams this season, both wins being against Memphis. And that's exactly why the committee doesn't give UCF credit for those wins. They were against Memphis, a team that they would say Alabama would have destroyed (and they may be right). Had UCF beaten OK State and Miss St, I bet things would be MUCH different. They don't discredit those kinds of teams when they have relatively good years.

Memphis and UCF and teams like them have to schedule OOC games against P5 teams, beat those teams and then hope those teams have successful years in their respective conferences.

We got screwed by UCLA shitting the bed.

Silly wabbits.

SOS has nothing to do with it. It is used as an argument when it's convenient. Other times, it's the eye test. Other times, it's _______ .

UCF's and Bama's SOS are not that different. Eye test? That's the very thing they use against us because it's subjective.

They will not let a G5 into a 4 team playoff. That would require 2 P5 conference champs sitting at home. They will do that for Alabama. They will not do it for any G5.

(12-06-2017 04:19 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Silly wabbits.

SOS has nothing to do with it. It is used as an argument when it's convenient. Other times, it's the eye test. Other times, it's _______ .

UCF's and Bama's SOS are not that different. Eye test? That's the very thing they use against us because it's subjective.

They will not let a G5 into a 4 team playoff. That would require 2 P5 conference champs sitting at home. They will do that for Alabama. They will not do it for any G5.

It would just take a perfect storm. The same as a team like Purdue, Oregon State, or Pittsburgh.

In 2019, USF gets Wisconsin, Ga. Tech, and Central Michigan in OOC. They also get UCF and Memphis.

If Wisky is top 10-15, Tech is passable, and Memphis and UCF are both top 20...AND...USF is preseason top 25-30...AND USF runs the table it would be hard to exclude them over some 1 or 2 loss P5 team.

Just like Purdue. If they run through a bobo OOC schedule, lose one conference game but win the B1G, they still might get skipped over another P5 school with a better win profile. In other words, Purdue would need to run the table.

(12-06-2017 04:42 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 04:19 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Silly wabbits.

SOS has nothing to do with it. It is used as an argument when it's convenient. Other times, it's the eye test. Other times, it's _______ .

UCF's and Bama's SOS are not that different. Eye test? That's the very thing they use against us because it's subjective.

They will not let a G5 into a 4 team playoff. That would require 2 P5 conference champs sitting at home. They will do that for Alabama. They will not do it for any G5.

It would just take a perfect storm. The same as a team like Purdue, Oregon State, or Pittsburgh.

In 2019, USF gets Wisconsin, Ga. Tech, and Central Michigan in OOC. They also get UCF and Memphis.

If Wisky is top 10-15, Tech is passable, and Memphis and UCF are both top 20...AND...USF is preseason top 25-30...AND USF runs the table it would be hard to exclude them over some 1 or 2 loss P5 team.

Just like Purdue. If they run through a bobo OOC schedule, lose one conference game but win the B1G, they still might get skipped over another P5 school with a better win profile. In other words, Purdue would need to run the table.

This year was the weakest P5 year I can remember. No undefeateds. Conference champs with question marks. And still - look at how far away UCF is from making it. Even put hypothetical 2019 USF up against this year's invitees. Who you gonna leave out to add USF? Bama, OSU, and USC? Not happening. We want it to happen. We want it to be possible. But there is zero evidence to support your theory.

Our current schedules will get us the NY6 bowl most yrs if we win the conference & have no more than 1 loss (2 in an unusual yr). But even undefeated, will NEVER get us a slot in the CFP as it is currently organized. No need to even discuss it. 87's post#47 nailed it. The criteria will always be subjective enough to keep us out. Even going to 8 teams will not help unless the AAC gets an 8th seat at the table. Without a guaranteed slot, the AAC & the G-4 will just get more subjective excuses as to why we don't measure up.

And all the while the P-5 conferences are making it tougher for their members to even play us H/H - to be sure there is no objective criteria (wins) requiring our inclusion.