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Are conference championship games useless?
I'm seeing the value of these conference championship games decline every year...this year has been the worst IMO

The committee doesn't seem to value them as much any more. The argument about the 13th data point has been thrown out the window. The 13th data point did not help Ohio State and USC this year, or Penn State last year.

This year we had several useless rematches. USC, UCF, and Oklahoma all had to beat teams again that they had previously beaten. Georgia got a mulligan.

If you had a choice between these conference championship games, or maybe the first round of an 8-team playoff, what would you choose?
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RE: Are conference championship games useless?
They are made for TV events.
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RE: Are conference championship games useless?
Well,I guess they are useful in determining a conference champion. But to the committee? Not that important really.
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RE: Are conference championship games useless?
TV events, and some times it helps because these mega conferences don't all play each other.

You need to bracket 8 teams after Thanksgiving and do away with them. You can do 4 games between Friday/Saturday second week of December, move Army Navy exclusively up one week along with the Heisman presentation.
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RE: Are conference championship games useless?
Not really, it meant something for Wisc, Ok, UGA, Auburn, Clemson and Miami. If the Badgers would have won or OSU beaten the Badgers soundly, they would have been in over Bama. The put the four best teams in the CFP. The committee really tries to avoid the Cinderella scenario, thus why there are no auto-bids.
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RE: Are conference championship games useless?
3/4 playoff teams won the CCG.
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RE: Are conference championship games useless?
Saturday was pretty exciting. SEC, ACC, B12, and B1G championship games all affected the outcome.

However, I do think it is lame and ironic that the past two seasons a team has made the CFP by avoiding the 13th data point.

I'd like to see P4 contraction where the CFP was champs only from the SEC, B1G, PAC, and ACC. And the P4 had 4-team championship tournaments to decide the CFP participants....essentially a 16-team playoff, but controlled by the conferences and keeping all regions engaged in the process through the CFP semi-finals.

SEC
(4)Georgia at (1)Auburn
(3)Alabama at (2)Oklahoma
Championship at Atlanta, Georgia

B1G
(4)Michigan St. at (1)Wisconsin
(3)Penn St. at (2)Ohio St.
Championship at Indianapolis, Indiana

ACC
(4)NC State at (1)Clemson
(3)Notre Dame at (2)Miami
Championship at Charlotte, North Carolina

PAC
(4)Washington at (1)USC
(3)Stanford at (2)TCU
Championship at Santa Clara, California

B1G champ v. PAC champ in Rose Bowl
SEC champ v. ACC champ in Orange or Sugar Bowl

Rose and Orange/Sugar bowl winners play for the national championship.
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RE: Are conference championship games useless?
(12-04-2017 02:14 PM)YNot Wrote:  Saturday was pretty exciting. SEC, ACC, B12, and B1G championship games all affected the outcome.

However, I do think it is lame and ironic that the past two seasons a team has made the CFP by avoiding the 13th data point.

I'd like to see P4 contraction where the CFP was champs only from the SEC, B1G, PAC, and ACC. And the P4 had 4-team championship tournaments to decide the CFP participants....essentially a 16-team playoff, but controlled by the conferences and keeping all regions engaged in the process through the CFP semi-finals.

SEC
(4)Georgia at (1)Auburn
(3)Alabama at (2)Oklahoma
Championship at Atlanta, Georgia

B1G
(4)Michigan St. at (1)Wisconsin
(3)Penn St. at (2)Ohio St.
Championship at Indianapolis, Indiana

ACC
(4)NC State at (1)Clemson
(3)Notre Dame at (2)Miami
Championship at Charlotte, North Carolina

PAC
(4)Washington at (1)USC
(3)Stanford at (2)TCU
Championship at Santa Clara, California

B1G champ v. PAC champ in Rose Bowl
SEC champ v. ACC champ in Orange or Sugar Bowl

Rose and Orange/Sugar bowl winners play for the national championship.

It's not a bad idea, but maybe keep the CFP seeding system as is, or at least rotate which conference champs play each other in the CFP semifinals.
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RE: Are conference championship games useless?
(12-04-2017 04:28 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 02:14 PM)YNot Wrote:  Saturday was pretty exciting. SEC, ACC, B12, and B1G championship games all affected the outcome.

However, I do think it is lame and ironic that the past two seasons a team has made the CFP by avoiding the 13th data point.

I'd like to see P4 contraction where the CFP was champs only from the SEC, B1G, PAC, and ACC. And the P4 had 4-team championship tournaments to decide the CFP participants....essentially a 16-team playoff, but controlled by the conferences and keeping all regions engaged in the process through the CFP semi-finals.

SEC
(4)Georgia at (1)Auburn
(3)Alabama at (2)Oklahoma
Championship at Atlanta, Georgia

B1G
(4)Michigan St. at (1)Wisconsin
(3)Penn St. at (2)Ohio St.
Championship at Indianapolis, Indiana

ACC
(4)NC State at (1)Clemson
(3)Notre Dame at (2)Miami
Championship at Charlotte, North Carolina

PAC
(4)Washington at (1)USC
(3)Stanford at (2)TCU
Championship at Santa Clara, California

B1G champ v. PAC champ in Rose Bowl
SEC champ v. ACC champ in Orange or Sugar Bowl

Rose and Orange/Sugar bowl winners play for the national championship.

It's not a bad idea, but maybe keep the CFP seeding system as is, or at least rotate which conference champs play each other in the CFP semifinals.

The rankings are subjective - conferences and bowl affiliations are not. It would be similar to the East-West, NFC-AFC and NL-AL systems in major professional sports. Nobody cries foul when the #1 and #2 teams in the "power" rankings are both in the Western Conference or National League. It creates the most national interest and money and isn't based on a subjective beauty contest.
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RE: Are conference championship games useless?
(12-04-2017 04:34 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 04:28 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(12-04-2017 02:14 PM)YNot Wrote:  Saturday was pretty exciting. SEC, ACC, B12, and B1G championship games all affected the outcome.

However, I do think it is lame and ironic that the past two seasons a team has made the CFP by avoiding the 13th data point.

I'd like to see P4 contraction where the CFP was champs only from the SEC, B1G, PAC, and ACC. And the P4 had 4-team championship tournaments to decide the CFP participants....essentially a 16-team playoff, but controlled by the conferences and keeping all regions engaged in the process through the CFP semi-finals.

SEC
(4)Georgia at (1)Auburn
(3)Alabama at (2)Oklahoma
Championship at Atlanta, Georgia

B1G
(4)Michigan St. at (1)Wisconsin
(3)Penn St. at (2)Ohio St.
Championship at Indianapolis, Indiana

ACC
(4)NC State at (1)Clemson
(3)Notre Dame at (2)Miami
Championship at Charlotte, North Carolina

PAC
(4)Washington at (1)USC
(3)Stanford at (2)TCU
Championship at Santa Clara, California

B1G champ v. PAC champ in Rose Bowl
SEC champ v. ACC champ in Orange or Sugar Bowl

Rose and Orange/Sugar bowl winners play for the national championship.

It's not a bad idea, but maybe keep the CFP seeding system as is, or at least rotate which conference champs play each other in the CFP semifinals.

The rankings are subjective - conferences and bowl affiliations are not. It would be similar to the East-West, NFC-AFC and NL-AL systems in major professional sports. Nobody cries foul when the #1 and #2 teams in the "power" rankings are both in the Western Conference or National League. It creates the most national interest and money and isn't based on a subjective beauty contest.

OK, but the P4 are effectively on par with one another, as there's no structural dividing line separating them into pairs of 2. So if we ditch the rankings, here's a possible rotation system:

Rose: B10/Pac
Peach: ACC/SEC

Cotton: Pac/SEC
Orange: ACC/B10

Sugar: B10/SEC
Fiesta: ACC/Pac
(This post was last modified: 12-04-2017 04:45 PM by Nerdlinger.)
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