Four years into the CFP/NY6 system and here is where the ACC stands as compared to other conferences. 2nd in the P5 in CFP bids, 3rd in NY6 bids. Solid!

NY6 Bids
B1G 12
SEC 10
ACC 8
P12 7
B12 6
G5 4
Ind 1

CFP Bids
SEC 5
ACC 4
B1G 3
B12 2
P12 2
G5 0
Ind 0

(12-04-2017 11:15 AM)orangefan Wrote:  Four years into the CFP/NY6 system and here is where the ACC stands as compared to other conferences. 2nd in the P5 in CFP bids, 3rd in NY6 bids. Solid!

NY6 Bids
B1G 12
SEC 10
ACC 8
P12 7
B12 6
G5 4
Ind 1

CFP Bids
SEC 5
ACC 4
B1G 3
B12 2
P12 2
G5 0
Ind 0

Yes, very solid. Thanks for laying it out. The ACC is keeping very good company with the SEC. Its interesting that when the whole CFP was being arranged that all the critics on the net were saying that the acc will never get a team in unless that team was undefeated, and that a 1 loss team from one of the other conferences might get in over an undefeated ACC team.

Raise your hand if you predicted that the Big Ten would be left out of the playoffs before the ACC.



(Liar!)

Two years in a row now that the B1G champ has been left out.


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(12-05-2017 10:11 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Two years in a row now that the B1G champ has been left out.


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Yeah, when they started this they said conference championships would be taken into consideration. So much for that.

ND counts as an Indy for the Playoffs, correct?

(12-05-2017 07:30 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  ND counts as an Indy for the Playoffs, correct?

Yes, but since all 4 spots are "at-large", what difference does that make?

We're about to have the most championships too

(12-05-2017 11:22 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 10:11 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Two years in a row now that the B1G champ has been left out.


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Yeah, when they started this they said conference championships would be taken into consideration. So much for that.

If anything, the last two playoff seedings show that the idea that the playoffs will "force" ND football to join a conference is on life support, if not dead.

For two years in a row, the playoff participant included a team that did not win its conference or even play in the conference championship game.

It showed that the "13th data point", touted by proponents of the idea that the playoff committee will force ND football into a conference, is not that significant.

Given the chance to prioritize a conference championship game as somehow more important than any other game, or that the 13th game always tips the balance, the committee clearly said "it doesn't matter." If it had mattered, Ohio State would be going to the playoffs.

(12-06-2017 07:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:22 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 10:11 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Two years in a row now that the B1G champ has been left out.


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Yeah, when they started this they said conference championships would be taken into consideration. So much for that.

If anything, the last two playoff seedings show that the idea that the playoffs will "force" ND football to join a conference is on life support, if not dead.

For two years in a row, the playoff participant included a team that did not win its conference or even play in the conference championship game.

It showed that the "13th data point", touted by proponents of the idea that the playoff committee will force ND football into a conference, is not that significant.

Given the chance to prioritize a conference championship game as somehow more important than any other game, or that the 13th game always tips the balance, the committee clearly said "it doesn't matter." If it had mattered, Ohio State would be going to the playoffs.

Agreed. ND won't join in any circumstances anyway.


I do see the playoff going to 8 games and conf. champs getting autobids (with 3 at large).


That will be a big boost to conferences.

(12-04-2017 01:17 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Raise your hand if you predicted that the Big Ten would be left out of the playoffs before the ACC. (Liar!)

(12-06-2017 09:32 AM)nole Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 07:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:22 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 10:11 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Two years in a row now that the B1G champ has been left out.


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Yeah, when they started this they said conference championships would be taken into consideration. So much for that.

If anything, the last two playoff seedings show that the idea that the playoffs will "force" ND football to join a conference is on life support, if not dead.

For two years in a row, the playoff participant included a team that did not win its conference or even play in the conference championship game.

It showed that the "13th data point", touted by proponents of the idea that the playoff committee will force ND football into a conference, is not that significant.

Given the chance to prioritize a conference championship game as somehow more important than any other game, or that the 13th game always tips the balance, the committee clearly said "it doesn't matter." If it had mattered, Ohio State would be going to the playoffs.

Agreed. ND won't join in any circumstances anyway.


I do see the playoff going to 8 games and conf. champs getting autobids (with 3 at large).


That will be a big boost to conferences.

If you talked with University President's and A.D.'s anywhere, SEC, Big 10, ACC, PAC etc. they would tell you quickly and emphatically that there is no support of going to 8. None.

I do think the best most can hope for is that the Big 12 is absorbed in 6 years and that we move to a champs only format.

The talk of going to 8 almost always involves the dropping of conference championship games so that the total number of weeks and games required doesn't increase. Conferences keep almost all of the proceeds from the CCG's. They get to market those games either separately or in conjunction with their regular rights but the either way the game gets separate valuation. They aren't giving that up. Traditionalists like having a definitive champion, and so do the players. The push to extend the season doesn't get a pulse anywhere but on message boards.

Some have suggested taking the regular season back to 11 games. The ticket department at almost every school in the P5 would nix this. It's hard enough now to keep 7 home games a year. Cut out the extra game and 6 home games gets dicey.

Then there is the added injury for which the players don't get compensated but could risk a career in the pro leagues should they have a really bad one.

So while I understand the fans desire to see more included, the reality is that where it counts, Administrations, Athletic Departments, and among the Players there is no support for this.

(12-06-2017 10:52 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 09:32 AM)nole Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 07:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:22 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 10:11 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  Two years in a row now that the B1G champ has been left out.


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Yeah, when they started this they said conference championships would be taken into consideration. So much for that.

If anything, the last two playoff seedings show that the idea that the playoffs will "force" ND football to join a conference is on life support, if not dead.

For two years in a row, the playoff participant included a team that did not win its conference or even play in the conference championship game.

It showed that the "13th data point", touted by proponents of the idea that the playoff committee will force ND football into a conference, is not that significant.

Given the chance to prioritize a conference championship game as somehow more important than any other game, or that the 13th game always tips the balance, the committee clearly said "it doesn't matter." If it had mattered, Ohio State would be going to the playoffs.

Agreed. ND won't join in any circumstances anyway.


I do see the playoff going to 8 games and conf. champs getting autobids (with 3 at large).


That will be a big boost to conferences.

If you talked with University President's and A.D.'s anywhere, SEC, Big 10, ACC, PAC etc. they would tell you quickly and emphatically that there is no support of going to 8. None.

I do think the best most can hope for is that the Big 12 is absorbed in 6 years and that we move to a champs only format.

The talk of going to 8 almost always involves the dropping of conference championship games so that the total number of weeks and games required doesn't increase. Conferences keep almost all of the proceeds from the CCG's. They get to market those games either separately or in conjunction with their regular rights but the either way the game gets separate valuation. They aren't giving that up. Traditionalists like having a definitive champion, and so do the players. The push to extend the season doesn't get a pulse anywhere but on message boards.

Some have suggested taking the regular season back to 11 games. The ticket department at almost every school in the P5 would nix this. It's hard enough now to keep 7 home games a year. Cut out the extra game and 6 home games gets dicey.

Then there is the added injury for which the players don't get compensated but could risk a career in the pro leagues should they have a really bad one.

So while I understand the fans desire to see more included, the reality is that where it counts, Administrations, Athletic Departments, and among the Players there is no support for this.

If the Big 12 gets absorbed then we will have a P4 & a champs only model would give us a de facto 8 team playoff using the CCG as the first round. No changes to the schedule necessary & no dates added. Runner ups go into the bowl pool. SEC v ACC in Sugar & B1G v PAC in Rose with alternating championship sites. Neat & clean & no need for a committee.


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(12-06-2017 12:15 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:52 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 09:32 AM)nole Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 07:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-05-2017 11:22 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Yeah, when they started this they said conference championships would be taken into consideration. So much for that.

If anything, the last two playoff seedings show that the idea that the playoffs will "force" ND football to join a conference is on life support, if not dead.

For two years in a row, the playoff participant included a team that did not win its conference or even play in the conference championship game.

It showed that the "13th data point", touted by proponents of the idea that the playoff committee will force ND football into a conference, is not that significant.

Given the chance to prioritize a conference championship game as somehow more important than any other game, or that the 13th game always tips the balance, the committee clearly said "it doesn't matter." If it had mattered, Ohio State would be going to the playoffs.

Agreed. ND won't join in any circumstances anyway.


I do see the playoff going to 8 games and conf. champs getting autobids (with 3 at large).


That will be a big boost to conferences.

If you talked with University President's and A.D.'s anywhere, SEC, Big 10, ACC, PAC etc. they would tell you quickly and emphatically that there is no support of going to 8. None.

I do think the best most can hope for is that the Big 12 is absorbed in 6 years and that we move to a champs only format.

The talk of going to 8 almost always involves the dropping of conference championship games so that the total number of weeks and games required doesn't increase. Conferences keep almost all of the proceeds from the CCG's. They get to market those games either separately or in conjunction with their regular rights but the either way the game gets separate valuation. They aren't giving that up. Traditionalists like having a definitive champion, and so do the players. The push to extend the season doesn't get a pulse anywhere but on message boards.

Some have suggested taking the regular season back to 11 games. The ticket department at almost every school in the P5 would nix this. It's hard enough now to keep 7 home games a year. Cut out the extra game and 6 home games gets dicey.

Then there is the added injury for which the players don't get compensated but could risk a career in the pro leagues should they have a really bad one.

So while I understand the fans desire to see more included, the reality is that where it counts, Administrations, Athletic Departments, and among the Players there is no support for this.

If the Big 12 gets absorbed then we will have a P4 & a champs only model would give us a de facto 8 team playoff using the CCG as the first round. No changes to the schedule necessary & no dates added. Runner ups go into the bowl pool. SEC v ACC in Sugar & B1G v PAC in Rose with alternating championship sites. Neat & clean & no need for a committee.


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Here is to the continued P5 existence of the Big 12!!!!!

(12-06-2017 08:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 12:15 PM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 10:52 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 09:32 AM)nole Wrote:  

(12-06-2017 07:47 AM)TerryD Wrote:  If anything, the last two playoff seedings show that the idea that the playoffs will "force" ND football to join a conference is on life support, if not dead.

For two years in a row, the playoff participant included a team that did not win its conference or even play in the conference championship game.

It showed that the "13th data point", touted by proponents of the idea that the playoff committee will force ND football into a conference, is not that significant.

Given the chance to prioritize a conference championship game as somehow more important than any other game, or that the 13th game always tips the balance, the committee clearly said "it doesn't matter." If it had mattered, Ohio State would be going to the playoffs.

Agreed. ND won't join in any circumstances anyway.


I do see the playoff going to 8 games and conf. champs getting autobids (with 3 at large).


That will be a big boost to conferences.

If you talked with University President's and A.D.'s anywhere, SEC, Big 10, ACC, PAC etc. they would tell you quickly and emphatically that there is no support of going to 8. None.

I do think the best most can hope for is that the Big 12 is absorbed in 6 years and that we move to a champs only format.

The talk of going to 8 almost always involves the dropping of conference championship games so that the total number of weeks and games required doesn't increase. Conferences keep almost all of the proceeds from the CCG's. They get to market those games either separately or in conjunction with their regular rights but the either way the game gets separate valuation. They aren't giving that up. Traditionalists like having a definitive champion, and so do the players. The push to extend the season doesn't get a pulse anywhere but on message boards.

Some have suggested taking the regular season back to 11 games. The ticket department at almost every school in the P5 would nix this. It's hard enough now to keep 7 home games a year. Cut out the extra game and 6 home games gets dicey.

Then there is the added injury for which the players don't get compensated but could risk a career in the pro leagues should they have a really bad one.

So while I understand the fans desire to see more included, the reality is that where it counts, Administrations, Athletic Departments, and among the Players there is no support for this.

If the Big 12 gets absorbed then we will have a P4 & a champs only model would give us a de facto 8 team playoff using the CCG as the first round. No changes to the schedule necessary & no dates added. Runner ups go into the bowl pool. SEC v ACC in Sugar & B1G v PAC in Rose with alternating championship sites. Neat & clean & no need for a committee.


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Here is to the continued P5 existence of the Big 12!!!!!

The past 2 years shows us that ND path to the CFP isn't as difficult as first thought, ND existence as an independent is strong with the status quo. The B12 adding a CCG may prove to be unnecessary, they may have made a rash decision as the committee has sent out mixed messages. The B12 CCG could have kept the B12 out this year if TCU had won. Ohio State & now Alabama has given ND a blueprint on how to make the CFP, no conference necessary. I think that the status quo is good for ND & the ACC as well. I only wish that ND would have made the OB this year, even if it meant a rematch with Miami.


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