(12-04-2017 12:38 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 12:04 PM)Antarius Wrote:  ...with the drop in cable subscriptions and the expansion of streaming - carrying garbage teams like Kansas and small market teams like the Iowa's isn't going to bring in the $$$ it used to.

Agree. So what should Rice do to be attractive after the 2024 reckoning (in addition to winning, of course)?

"Forget our negligible fanbase/audience; we are our competitors' entree to recruiting in Greater Houston." ???

I don't think there will a 2024 reckoning.. Not the way we expect.

One real possibility is UT and OU bolt.. the rest of the conference basically becomes a G5.

(12-04-2017 12:46 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 12:18 PM)MemOwl Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:48 AM)mrbig Wrote:  Please note that "formerowl", who started this thread and is the only individual claiming any knowledge that Kurt Roper is coming to Rice, only has 20 total posts here, does not have any past history of posting insider information, and does not have any other posters with known insider ties (of whom there are a handful) confirming his post.

Are we being trolled?

we are 7 pages in and there is no even semi official indication that Rice has hired a coach.

I wouldn't go by the lack of frequent posts as a barometer of whether or not a poster has inside info. Perhaps he only posts when he has information of relevance to pass along, and not simply to opine.

When he first popped up, he was accused of being the next incarnation of Afflicted. I don't care about all that (likely) nonsense. However, formerowl has not broken any other stories (large or small). Similarly, no one else posting on The Parliament has said that they know him and/or that he has any insider credentials. Many people who post here fit into one of those 2 categories that would make them more reliable (in my eyes at least).

Some people professed yesterday to be bored by the lack of news. This “rumor” has awakened people.

Highly unlikely scenario since the head coach almost always gets to pick his coordinators, but how about Roper as OC to Anderson's head coach? Roper might have know that he was about to fired from USC.

(12-04-2017 12:20 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 12:19 PM)d1owls4life Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 12:04 PM)Antarius Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 11:22 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 10:58 AM)Antarius Wrote:  I think we see the amount of time on the clock differently. To me, we have barely any time left and no time outs (maybe because our last coach used them all ). We do not have time for a a first down.
Had we done this 8 years ago, totally different story. we need to win 8 in CUSA to progress to bigger and better things, but we need someone who does both now. We do not have the luxury anymore of a slow build in CUSA

We can see the clock. 2024, the next big shakeup when the TV contracts expire. We don't have much time. But it's like getting the ball on our own 10 wth 2 minutes left, not getting it there with 10 seconds left.

We could have been in 5 consecutive bowls by then. That would put us in a very different position from where we are now.

Depends on what bowls. 2024 rolls around and we've been to 5 bowls, won 3,4 or even 5 and they are of the level of the Cheribundi Tart Cherry Boca Raton Bowl ..... we aren't going anywhere.

We need to do the above... and beat some combination of LSU, Texas, ok State, and USC while definitely beating Wake Forest, UH and definitely definitely beating teams like Army and Hawaii. Only then do we even have a hope and a prayer.

This is all predicated on the Big XII TV contract being like the last $EC one was. Which I do not believe it will be. The Big XII is buoyed by UT and OU.. and with the drop in cable subscriptions and the expansion of streaming - carrying garbage teams like Kansas and small market teams like the Iowa's isn't going to bring in the $$$ it used to.

Just curious, a hope and a prayer of what?

Not being in the CUSASunbelt among other things.

Ok, well I think what 69/70/75 is proposing can do that. But, it wouldn't get us into a power conference (I hesitate to say Power 5 since there seems to be a lot of belief the Big XII will implode when their TV deal is up).

My hope is that a good 5 or 6 year stretch puts us in a position to improve our lot to a league that makes things better financially as well as gives us better conference opponents.

Just saying, he is still out there:

https://twitter.com/UCFSports/status/937755795588108288

I think the 25(0) crowd is behind Roper. I have heard bits and pieces from multiple sources to suggest that there will be some additional support coming forward to do some of the things that are needed for football as part of this hire. No specifics, and nothing confirmed, but I am hearing things from several diverse sources.

I don't think Roper will be a home run hire. But I do think he could be a ground rule double. If we can get the additional support needed, and if he can hire a competent staff, then we will be competent. And competent should win 8 a year in CUSA. What I'd like to see in a staff is one or two offensive coaches off the Cutcliffe tree and one or two defensive coaches off the Muschamp tree, and all of them young hard chargers who can recruit. I think of what happened when Saban went to LSU. None of his Michigan State coaches wanted to move (he's not the easiest guy to work for, and they would rather stay with Bobby Williams), so he hired a couple of coordinators, plus a number of HS coaches who could recruit, recruit, recruit. The strikes me as a good approach.

If Roper can be Nutt or Koetter to a later Hawkins or maybe a Petersen, then we could actually get somewhere in a few years. I don't think winning 8 a year in CUSA gets it done, but I also don't think we can entertain any realistic hope of a "signature" win until we get to where we are winning 8 or better every year in CUSA. A 1-11 team in CUSA is simply not good enough to make any particular "signature" opponent break a sweat. The reason we haven't had a signature win under Bailiff is because we simply haven't been good enough to win one of those. You give up 75 yard touchdown passes routinely, and you aren't going to beat a good team ever. You can't be as flawed as Bailiff teams have been and hope to upset a competent P5 team.

(12-04-2017 01:58 PM)d1owls4life Wrote:  Ok, well I think what 69/70/75 is proposing can do that. But, it wouldn't get us into a power conference (I hesitate to say Power 5 since there seems to be a lot of belief the Big XII will implode when their TV deal is up).
My hope is that a good 5 or 6 year stretch puts us in a position to improve our lot to a league that makes things better financially as well as gives us better conference opponents.

In 2024, when the XII TV contract expires, I expect to see Texas and Kansas to the B1G and OU and Okie State to the SEC. That leaves the XII with half of XII, and I see some opportunities to move then. The leftovers will be basically the same level as AAC or MWC, and I could see us going to any one of the three, depending on whatever else happens. If we are winning 8+ a year, in a bowl every year, and basketball (men and women) comes along, and baseball holds (and yes, that's a lot of ifs) then we will appeal to somebody. Right now we don't.

Rather than swing for the fences and strike out, I'd rather put the ball in play and hope for a ground rule double. All we really need is competence.

Look
Many want a Rice alum.He is.
Has Success at an academic-minded institution, check.
Younger, yeah.
the scheme, the recruiting, the staff. That all can change when YOU are the man in charge. Let him prove himself.

he has had a successful past which means he at least he knows how to be successful moving forward.
He knows the culture, has played in it, found a career in football from it, can attract others with similar experience.
And has been stated before, to take Rice football to the next level requires more than just a new coach.
If Roper is the next step in getting us there, then its the right move.

If we hired Saba and the administration didnt make the investment to support the program it would not work.
So if its Roper,
then welcome back and Go Owls.

(12-04-2017 02:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think the 25(0) crowd is behind Roper. I have heard bits and pieces from multiple sources to suggest that there will be some additional support coming forward to do some of the things that are needed for football as part of this hire. No specifics, and nothing confirmed, but I am hearing things from several diverse sources.

I don't think Roper will be a home run hire. But I do think he could be a ground rule double. If we can get the additional support needed, and if he can hire a competent staff, then we will be competent. And competent should win 8 a year in CUSA. What I'd like to see in a staff is one or two offensive coaches off the Cutcliffe tree and one or two defensive coaches off the Muschamp tree, and all of them young hard chargers who can recruit. I think of what happened when Saban went to LSU. None of his Michigan State coaches wanted to move (he's not the easiest guy to work for, and they would rather stay with Bobby Williams), so he hired a couple of coordinators, plus a number of HS coaches who could recruit, recruit, recruit. The strikes me as a good approach.

If Roper can be Nutt or Koetter to a later Hawkins or maybe a Petersen, then we could actually get somewhere in a few years. I don't think winning 8 a year in CUSA gets it done, but I also don't think we can entertain any realistic hope of a "signature" win until we get to where we are winning 8 or better every year in CUSA. A 1-11 team in CUSA is simply not good enough to make any particular "signature" opponent break a sweat. The reason we haven't had a signature win under Bailiff is because we simply haven't been good enough to win one of those. You give up 75 yard touchdown passes routinely, and you aren't going to beat a good team ever. You can't be as flawed as Bailiff teams have been and hope to upset a competent P5 team.

If the 250 crowd is wielding power on this, then JK did not get a free hand for giving Bailiff an extra year, as some have opined

You have a free hand to choose whomever you like, as long as it is Roper

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GAJ51.../KCAE/KHOU

http://www.gamaaviation.com/wheels-up-king-air/

Doesn't appear to be a corporate jet. Just appears to be a plane-for-hire. Not typically a ton of private jets flying between CAE and HOU.

(12-04-2017 02:51 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GAJ51.../KCAE/KHOU

http://www.gamaaviation.com/wheels-up-king-air/

Doesn't appear to be a corporate jet. Just appears to be a plane-for-hire. Not typically a ton of private jets flying between CAE and HOU.

If our fanbase is tracking chartered jets, can there be any doubt we are about to be big-time?

(12-04-2017 02:58 PM)JustAnotherAustinOwlStill Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 02:51 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GAJ51.../KCAE/KHOU

http://www.gamaaviation.com/wheels-up-king-air/

Doesn't appear to be a corporate jet. Just appears to be a plane-for-hire. Not typically a ton of private jets flying between CAE and HOU.

If our fanbase is tracking chartered jets, can there be any doubt we are about to be big-time?

We made it!

Can he recruit? That is as important here as any schemes he may bring. Recruiting players and fans. I doubt he has the connections in Texas that DB had, but maybe he brings somebody in who does, and he should be good at identifying Rice caliber student-athletes, having played at Rice and coached at Duke.

Hopefully we reject the invoice from the search firm. They could not have possibly helped identify the most obvious candidate out there. It's 50-50 at least that he reached out to us first.

It's a turboprop, not a jet. IOW, G5 not P5.

(12-04-2017 03:05 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  It's a turboprop, not a jet. IOW, G5 not P5.

LOL

(12-04-2017 03:05 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  It's a turboprop, not a jet. IOW, G5 not P5.

It is listed as a Cessna Citation X/Excel. Thats a medium bypass powered tail mounted jet aircraft - not a prop.

(12-04-2017 02:49 PM)Ranger Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 02:35 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I think the 25(0) crowd is behind Roper. I have heard bits and pieces from multiple sources to suggest that there will be some additional support coming forward to do some of the things that are needed for football as part of this hire. No specifics, and nothing confirmed, but I am hearing things from several diverse sources.
I don't think Roper will be a home run hire. But I do think he could be a ground rule double. If we can get the additional support needed, and if he can hire a competent staff, then we will be competent. And competent should win 8 a year in CUSA. What I'd like to see in a staff is one or two offensive coaches off the Cutcliffe tree and one or two defensive coaches off the Muschamp tree, and all of them young hard chargers who can recruit. I think of what happened when Saban went to LSU. None of his Michigan State coaches wanted to move (he's not the easiest guy to work for, and they would rather stay with Bobby Williams), so he hired a couple of coordinators, plus a number of HS coaches who could recruit, recruit, recruit. The strikes me as a good approach.
If Roper can be Nutt or Koetter to a later Hawkins or maybe a Petersen, then we could actually get somewhere in a few years. I don't think winning 8 a year in CUSA gets it done, but I also don't think we can entertain any realistic hope of a "signature" win until we get to where we are winning 8 or better every year in CUSA. A 1-11 team in CUSA is simply not good enough to make any particular "signature" opponent break a sweat. The reason we haven't had a signature win under Bailiff is because we simply haven't been good enough to win one of those. You give up 75 yard touchdown passes routinely, and you aren't going to beat a good team ever. You can't be as flawed as Bailiff teams have been and hope to upset a competent P5 team.

If the 250 crowd is wielding power on this, then JK did not get a free hand for giving Bailiff an extra year, as some have opined
You have a free hand to choose whomever you like, as long as it is Roper

Not exactly.

I think it's more like the 25(0) crowd says you have a free hand to do what you want, but we like Roper because... And JK, like any intelligent AD, considers what they have to say at that point.

I think the Gruden role was an advisory one, kind of like Gil Brandt when we hired Watson. And if so, then if we actually do hire Roper, that means that Gruden blessed him.

I don't think the 25(0) crowd had anything like veto power, but I also think it is entirely appropriate to consult them and consider their opinions. And if you reality check their input with a guy like Gruden, and he says it's okay, then I think you are reasonable if you go with it.

Again, I don't think Roper is a home run hire, but I'm not sure we can hit a home run from our current position. If he gets the right support and puts together the right staff, then I think he is a ground rule double. And a ground rule double could get us to a home run hitter on deck.

(12-04-2017 03:05 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  It's a turboprop, not a jet. IOW, G5 not P5.

IIRC, Jimbo flew to Collie Station on a turboprop.