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RE: Will Ohio State out trigger a move to 8-team playoff?
(12-03-2017 06:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 06:21 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Since the powers that be are likely anticipating a P4 scenario, it's unlikely they'd support an 8-team CFP. However, if it remains a P5, then you might see an 8-team CFP in the 2026-27 season.

I expect the New Year's Six would become the New Year's Eight, with perhaps the Citrus and Alamo Bowls joining the club. I also expect all P5 conferences to secure NY8 autobids for at least their #1 and #2 teams. Maybe something like this?

Rose (Pasadena, CA): Big Ten #1 vs. Pac-12 #1
Sugar (New Orleans, LA): Big 12 #1 vs. SEC #1
Cotton (Arlington, TX): Big 12 #2 vs. Pac-12 #2
Orange (Miami Gardens, FL): ACC #1 vs. #1 among (Big Ten #2, SEC #2, and ND)
Peach (Atlanta, GA): ACC #2 vs. #2 among (Big Ten #2, SEC #2, and ND)
Citrus (Orlando, FL): Big Ten #2/3 vs. SEC #2/3 (depends on who goes to the Orange and Peach)
Fiesta (Glendale, AZ): At-Large* vs. At-Large*
Alamo (San Antonio, TX): At-Large* vs. At-Large*

* at least one of the At-Large teams must be from the G5

You may be right about an NY8 but I doubt the Alamo Bowl or Citrus Bowl will be in the rotation.

Alamo out because it's played in the Alamodome and not an NFL stadium.

Citrus out because its such a cash cow for the B1G.

OK, but why does it have to be an NFL stadium?
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RE: Will Ohio State out trigger a move to 8-team playoff?
(12-03-2017 05:55 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It doesn't matter how many teams you put in a playoff as long as it is governed by the joke of a committee.

Correct when you have Penn State and Miami sitting right outside of the Top 8 with arguments for inclusion. The debate between #8/#9 is less clear cut than #4/#5 because then you are comparing programs with multiple losses who didn't win their CCG making things real subjective.

People are forgetting what the 4 team playoff is really about, to ensure that the best team in college football that year has a chance to compete for a national championships.

In the pre Bowl Alliance days the best team in the country sometimes would get stuck with a poor bowl opponent and it would be controversial as to who the real number 1 was once the bowls had been played.

Is the best team in the country Clemson? Is it Oklahoma? Is it Georgia all have 1 loss and won their CCG. Give all 3 of them a shot in a 4 team playoff.
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RE: Will Ohio State out trigger a move to 8-team playoff?
(12-03-2017 07:03 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 06:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 06:21 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Since the powers that be are likely anticipating a P4 scenario, it's unlikely they'd support an 8-team CFP. However, if it remains a P5, then you might see an 8-team CFP in the 2026-27 season.

I expect the New Year's Six would become the New Year's Eight, with perhaps the Citrus and Alamo Bowls joining the club. I also expect all P5 conferences to secure NY8 autobids for at least their #1 and #2 teams. Maybe something like this?

Rose (Pasadena, CA): Big Ten #1 vs. Pac-12 #1
Sugar (New Orleans, LA): Big 12 #1 vs. SEC #1
Cotton (Arlington, TX): Big 12 #2 vs. Pac-12 #2
Orange (Miami Gardens, FL): ACC #1 vs. #1 among (Big Ten #2, SEC #2, and ND)
Peach (Atlanta, GA): ACC #2 vs. #2 among (Big Ten #2, SEC #2, and ND)
Citrus (Orlando, FL): Big Ten #2/3 vs. SEC #2/3 (depends on who goes to the Orange and Peach)
Fiesta (Glendale, AZ): At-Large* vs. At-Large*
Alamo (San Antonio, TX): At-Large* vs. At-Large*

* at least one of the At-Large teams must be from the G5

You may be right about an NY8 but I doubt the Alamo Bowl or Citrus Bowl will be in the rotation.

Alamo out because it's played in the Alamodome and not an NFL stadium.

Citrus out because its such a cash cow for the B1G.

OK, but why does it have to be an NFL stadium?

NFL stadium amenities.
12-03-2017 07:11 PM
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RE: Will Ohio State out trigger a move to 8-team playoff?
(12-03-2017 07:11 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 07:03 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 06:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 06:21 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Since the powers that be are likely anticipating a P4 scenario, it's unlikely they'd support an 8-team CFP. However, if it remains a P5, then you might see an 8-team CFP in the 2026-27 season.

I expect the New Year's Six would become the New Year's Eight, with perhaps the Citrus and Alamo Bowls joining the club. I also expect all P5 conferences to secure NY8 autobids for at least their #1 and #2 teams. Maybe something like this?

Rose (Pasadena, CA): Big Ten #1 vs. Pac-12 #1
Sugar (New Orleans, LA): Big 12 #1 vs. SEC #1
Cotton (Arlington, TX): Big 12 #2 vs. Pac-12 #2
Orange (Miami Gardens, FL): ACC #1 vs. #1 among (Big Ten #2, SEC #2, and ND)
Peach (Atlanta, GA): ACC #2 vs. #2 among (Big Ten #2, SEC #2, and ND)
Citrus (Orlando, FL): Big Ten #2/3 vs. SEC #2/3 (depends on who goes to the Orange and Peach)
Fiesta (Glendale, AZ): At-Large* vs. At-Large*
Alamo (San Antonio, TX): At-Large* vs. At-Large*

* at least one of the At-Large teams must be from the G5

You may be right about an NY8 but I doubt the Alamo Bowl or Citrus Bowl will be in the rotation.

Alamo out because it's played in the Alamodome and not an NFL stadium.

Citrus out because its such a cash cow for the B1G.

OK, but why does it have to be an NFL stadium?

NFL stadium amenities.

I see. So how about swap Citrus for Charlotte and Alamo for Nashville?
12-03-2017 07:36 PM
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RE: Will Ohio State out trigger a move to 8-team playoff?
(12-03-2017 07:10 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  People are forgetting what the 4 team playoff is really about, to ensure that the best team in college football that year has a chance to compete for a national championships.

Absolutely not. If that were the goal, you'd do a 16 or 32 team tournament, and shorten the regular season if you had to.

The playoff is about maximizing revenue, and that includes maintaining a high level of interest in regular season games. I think Dan Wetzel made a very good point that the BCS nationalized the sport--it created more of a reason for Alabama and Tennessee fans to care whether Michigan beat Ohio State when the BCS rankings were on the line.

Now the playoff has expanded from two to four. So now you could watch 4 different CCGs yesterday that all could be playoff qualifiers--or definitely playoff eliminators (you don't see Miami, Wisconsin, TCU or Auburn in the playoff).

But The Powers That Be do not want to see a repeat of what happened when the NCAA tournament over-expanded, relative to the regular season.

And you've forgotten your own point--nobody (except maybe Sagarin and Nick Sabin) are arguing that Alabama or Ohio State should be No. 1. We're arguing ferociously over whether they're in or out though.

"Mission Accomplished", say TPTB.
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RE: Will Ohio State out trigger a move to 8-team playoff?
(12-03-2017 07:36 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 07:11 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 07:03 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 06:59 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 06:21 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Since the powers that be are likely anticipating a P4 scenario, it's unlikely they'd support an 8-team CFP. However, if it remains a P5, then you might see an 8-team CFP in the 2026-27 season.

I expect the New Year's Six would become the New Year's Eight, with perhaps the Citrus and Alamo Bowls joining the club. I also expect all P5 conferences to secure NY8 autobids for at least their #1 and #2 teams. Maybe something like this?

Rose (Pasadena, CA): Big Ten #1 vs. Pac-12 #1
Sugar (New Orleans, LA): Big 12 #1 vs. SEC #1
Cotton (Arlington, TX): Big 12 #2 vs. Pac-12 #2
Orange (Miami Gardens, FL): ACC #1 vs. #1 among (Big Ten #2, SEC #2, and ND)
Peach (Atlanta, GA): ACC #2 vs. #2 among (Big Ten #2, SEC #2, and ND)
Citrus (Orlando, FL): Big Ten #2/3 vs. SEC #2/3 (depends on who goes to the Orange and Peach)
Fiesta (Glendale, AZ): At-Large* vs. At-Large*
Alamo (San Antonio, TX): At-Large* vs. At-Large*

* at least one of the At-Large teams must be from the G5

You may be right about an NY8 but I doubt the Alamo Bowl or Citrus Bowl will be in the rotation.

Alamo out because it's played in the Alamodome and not an NFL stadium.

Citrus out because its such a cash cow for the B1G.

OK, but why does it have to be an NFL stadium?

NFL stadium amenities.

I see. So how about swap Citrus for Charlotte and Alamo for Nashville?

Possible.

Houston despite not having a deep bowl tradition came up near the top of CFP expansion candidates. TV market, central location are factors.

With the NFL coming to Las Vegas it may be logical to bump up the Las Vegas bowl to CFP status playing in a spectacular new NFL stadium and LV Bowl has been around for a few decades now.

Outback Bowl in Tampa is another viable CFP location.

There was a lot of controversy about not having the Cotton Bowl as part of the original BCS lineup replaced by the Fiesta a relative newbie to the major bowl scene. Peach I think got in because of its relative proximity to the SEC and worked on geographical reason to have 2 in the West (Rose, Festa), Central (Cotton, Sugar) and East (Peach, Orange).
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RE: Will Ohio State out trigger a move to 8-team playoff?
(12-03-2017 07:51 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 07:10 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  People are forgetting what the 4 team playoff is really about, to ensure that the best team in college football that year has a chance to compete for a national championships.

Absolutely not. If that were the goal, you'd do a 16 or 32 team tournament, and shorten the regular season if you had to.

No that is the goal of the 4 team playoff.

There were so many years in the past where the #3 team in the estimation of any serious observer was probably the best team in that country yet another team was voted #1 champion by the sportswriters.

There was still a little bit of this problem in the BCS system BUT when you had the #1 vs. #2 teams in the polls/computers playing each other it was hard to argue the winner of that game was not the national champion.

With the 4 team playoff the winner of 2 heavyweight games its all but impossible to argue they don't deserve the national title. The team that deserved it earned it.

The G5 access problem will largely be solved by the P5 expanding to take more value out of the G5. The left over G5 won't have the ability to seriously contend for the playoff like the AAC is presenting.
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RE: Will Ohio State out trigger a move to 8-team playoff?
(12-03-2017 08:14 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  With the 4 team playoff the winner of 2 heavyweight games its all but impossible to argue they don't deserve the national title. The team that deserved it earned it.

That's not what UCF is going to say if they win their bowl game.

Their normally-silly conference name is going to be an advantage for once--UCF would be the 13-0 2017 American college football champion. They'll have beat Auburn, who beat Alabama and Georgia, and they didn't lose to a weak sister like Syracuse or Iowa.
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Will Ohio State out trigger a move to 8-team playoff?
The G5 needs to establish their own 4 team tourney, they will NEVER get a team in the playoff.


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RE: Will Ohio State out trigger a move to 8-team playoff?
(12-03-2017 08:37 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 08:14 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  With the 4 team playoff the winner of 2 heavyweight games its all but impossible to argue they don't deserve the national title. The team that deserved it earned it.

That's not what UCF is going to say if they win their bowl game.

Their normally-silly conference name is going to be an advantage for once--UCF would be the 13-0 2017 American college football champion. They'll have beat Auburn, who beat Alabama and Georgia, and they didn't lose to a weak sister like Syracuse or Iowa.

What the powers that be have done though by requiring the national champion to go through 2 post season games against Top 4 competition its not possible for an outside school to make an argument they belong as champion.

Alabama vs. UCF here.

#4 Alabama defeats #1 Clemson, Alabama then defeats #2 Oklahoma/#3 Georgia

#12 UCF defeats #7 Auburn

UCF can go undefeated but can't compare to the legitimacy of Alabama's two Top 3 victories.

There are the two victories by a playoff team compared to the bowl team and also a superior bowl opponent. #5 Ohio State is playing #8 USC, #6 Wisconsin is playing #10 Miami. They have to play down to an even lower opponent than UCF has to in a bowl game. It just further puts a tamper on the legitimacy of Ohio St or Wisconsin as national champions.
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