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(12-03-2017 01:00 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:53 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:50 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:44 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:42 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  ACC and ND winners with Bama getting picked. ACC gets BWW wing spot which will go to ND and ACC will keep the other Orlando midweek bowl.

Notre Dame deserves better than Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl.

I expect Notre Dame to get the Citrus Bowl slot. They would have gotten the BWW if Ohio State had been in the CFP.

Shows you how dumb i am, when i posted that i thought the Citrus was the BWW bowl, lol.
Oops, my bad, BWW is the sponsor of the Citrus. It does get confusing with sponsors switching from one bowl to another. For ND though, this is a very good bid. It's absolutely the best bowl that's not an NY6 game. They would have gone to the Camping World Bowl, formerly the Russell Athletic, formerly the Champ Sports Bowl, had Ohio State been in the CFP.

Yes, IIRC, there used to be a "Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl" just a few years ago that was played in Arizona, and then BWW became the sponsor of the Citrus bowl, so it is confusing.

My complaint is that I think Notre Dame deserves the final Access Bowl spot over TCU or Washington. Won't happen, but that's where i'm coming from here.

But if they don't get the Access spot, then sure, the Citrus (which i don't think is still affiliated with BWW, but was!) is the next best thing. Will probably face LSU in that bowl, an excellent matchup.
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(12-03-2017 01:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(12-03-2017 12:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Worst case scenario for Big 10 and Pac 12. Not only do both their champions get left out but they lose the Rose Bowl this year due to the rotation

Yes, and also because of the Orange Bowl contract, they can't even pit USC vs Ohio State in another bowl either.

USC Ohio st will be in Fiesta bowl I'm pretty sure

I don't think they can be. The Orange Bowl gets the highest available team among the B1G/SEC/Notre Dame, and at #5, that is Ohio State.

So by contract the Orange Bowl has to be Ohio State vs Miami (highest available ACC team).

Wasn't clear how that worked when the Rose Bowl was a playoff game.
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(12-03-2017 01:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Worst case scenario for Big 10 and Pac 12. Not only do both their champions get left out but they lose the Rose Bowl this year due to the rotation

Yes, and also because of the Orange Bowl contract, they can't even pit USC vs Ohio State in another bowl either.

USC Ohio st will be in Fiesta bowl I'm pretty sure

I don't think they can be. The Orange Bowl gets the highest available team among the B1G/SEC/Notre Dame, and at #5, that is Ohio State.

So by contract the Orange Bowl has to be Ohio State vs Miami (highest available ACC team).

Wasn't clear how that worked when the Rose Bowl was a playoff game.
I don't believe that the Orange can get the Big Ten champion. Has to be a runner up, but Wisconsin is the highest ranked available runner up between the Big Ten and SEC.
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(12-03-2017 01:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Worst case scenario for Big 10 and Pac 12. Not only do both their champions get left out but they lose the Rose Bowl this year due to the rotation

Yes, and also because of the Orange Bowl contract, they can't even pit USC vs Ohio State in another bowl either.

USC Ohio st will be in Fiesta bowl I'm pretty sure

I don't think they can be. The Orange Bowl gets the highest available team among the B1G/SEC/Notre Dame, and at #5, that is Ohio State.

So by contract the Orange Bowl has to be Ohio State vs Miami (highest available ACC team).

Wasn't clear how that worked when the Rose Bowl was a playoff game.

Oops! I was wrong! Ohio State cannot be in Orange Bowl because the contract says the B1G or SEC champ will not play in that game.

My apologies.
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(12-03-2017 01:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:56 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Worst case scenario for Big 10 and Pac 12. Not only do both their champions get left out but they lose the Rose Bowl this year due to the rotation

Yes, and also because of the Orange Bowl contract, they can't even pit USC vs Ohio State in another bowl either.

USC Ohio st will be in Fiesta bowl I'm pretty sure

You were correct, I was wrong - the committee CAN make that matchup if they want. The Orange contract excludes the B1G/SEC champ from the game, so Wisconsin will be in the OB, and Ohio State in either the Fiesta, Peach, or Cotton bowls.
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(12-03-2017 01:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:39 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  So the ACC and SEC are the only conferences that have sent teams every year. Once again showing the CFP will never want autobids.

4 years:
2 times Pac 12 champ didn't get in
2 times Big 10 champ didn't get in (but one wildcard)
2 times Big 12 champ didn't get in

Maybe the Pac 12 and Big 10 will re-think their opposition to 8. This is two years in a row the Big 10 champ didn't get in.

One can hope.
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(12-03-2017 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Yes, and also because of the Orange Bowl contract, they can't even pit USC vs Ohio State in another bowl either.

USC Ohio st will be in Fiesta bowl I'm pretty sure

I don't think they can be. The Orange Bowl gets the highest available team among the B1G/SEC/Notre Dame, and at #5, that is Ohio State.

So by contract the Orange Bowl has to be Ohio State vs Miami (highest available ACC team).

Wasn't clear how that worked when the Rose Bowl was a playoff game.

To my knowledge, the Orange Bowl contract is in effect for the 8 years of the CFP that the Orange is not a playoff game, which means this year.

My point was the same as the previous poster. Do they get the best non-playoff/non-Rose Bowl Big 10/SEC/ND team or do they get the best non-champ/non-Rose Bowl Big 10/SEC/ND team? That's what I'm not certain about. If they get the best non-playoff, they can take Ohio St.

edit-I see you answered the question. Champ excluded.
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(12-03-2017 01:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:06 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:04 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:00 PM)solohawks Wrote:  USC Ohio st will be in Fiesta bowl I'm pretty sure

I don't think they can be. The Orange Bowl gets the highest available team among the B1G/SEC/Notre Dame, and at #5, that is Ohio State.

So by contract the Orange Bowl has to be Ohio State vs Miami (highest available ACC team).

Wasn't clear how that worked when the Rose Bowl was a playoff game.

To my knowledge, the Orange Bowl contract is in effect for the 8 years of the CFP that the Orange is not a playoff game, which means this year.

My point was the same as the previous poster. Do they get the best non-playoff/non-Rose Bowl Big 10/SEC/ND team or do they get the best non-champ/non-Rose Bowl Big 10/SEC/ND team? That's what I'm not certain about. If they get the best non-playoff, they can take Ohio St.

As i said above, I was wrong ... The Orange contract excludes the B1G or SEC champs from the game (unless it is a playoff), so Ohio State will NOT be in the Orange Bowl. Wisconsin will.
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Miami Wisconsin in Orange and USC Ohio St in Fiesta are all but official. UCF will be in Peach. Penn st, TCU, Washington, and ND wait to see who gets the last 3 at large slots
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Had Ohio ST. gotten in, that would have been 3 times in 4 years they got in, getting the benefit of a doubt in a controversial decision. In 2014 they got in over TCU and Baylor. In 2016 they got in over Big 10 champ Penn ST.
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