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Chris Mack Style of Basketball
This incident involving Chris Mack as a player at Evansville gives us a glimpse into into his coaching philosophy.
Here is the story.....(courtesy of UD basketball forum)

Nineteen years ago Xavier men’s basketball coach Chris Mack played college hoops for the University of Evansville. And Evansville, on a particular occasion, played Dayton

So begins a story that has followed Mack since February of 1990, on the night he popped a ball in a defender’s face while taking it out of bounds under Dayton’s basket.

That defender was Wes Coffee, and he was twice hit in the face by different Purple Aces within the game’s first 13 minutes.

Only the second hit came from Mack. But it launched a sequence of events that led to a near melee between teams, a contrite Mack, a dazed Coffee, an apology letter, and a reputation – for Mack – as a perpetual villain to some in Dayton.

The incident resurfaced in whispers around the time of Mack’s April 15 introduction as XU’s new coach. After a little digging, it was clear that there’s no love lost for the Evansville-turned-Xavier transfer player in Dayton annals: first because of the Coffee incident, and second for his decades-old allegiance to the archrival Musketeers.

Last week Mack was asked to set the record straight. What happened that night, and why? He was happy to oblige.

Double trouble

The story, Mack said, starts like this: Evansville was playing a heated rivalry game at Dayton, which was known as a pressing team.

“I think our coach, Jim Crews, was bothered by the fact that the guy guarding the in-bounder was always stepping over the line. He’d warn referees and they never seemed to move them back. It’s one of those rules that’s in there but they didn’t really follow it,” Mack said.

“And he had made the point in the shoot-around the day before, that if that kept happening, ‘You just boink the guy in the nose with the ball. I’m tired of this.’ We all sort of chuckled and he said, ‘I’m serious. You’re going to boink him in the nose.’”

(Crews, by the way, was a member of Indiana’s 1976 national championship team, led by Bobby Knight. He spent eight years as Hoosier assistant on Knight’s coaching staff before a successful 17-year run at Evansville.)

The day after the shoot-around, the Purple Aces didn’t play well. They were down by 10 or 12 points, Mack said, when his teammate in-bounded the ball under the Flyers’ hoop.

According to Mack and the Dayton Daily News’ account of the game, Evansville guard Scott Schreffler was nearing the end of the five second count and Coffee, a forward/center, was guarding him.

Schreffler threw the ball into Coffee’s face, the paper said. Coffee was stunned, his lip split. He thought it might have been an accident; he was a 7-footer, and an obstacle to get around.

Ten minutes later, then-sophomore Mack was in Schreffler’s place and needed to in-bound the ball against the Flyers’ press.

“The same guy (Coffee) is on the ball and it’s getting close to a five count, and I looked long and I threw it and hit him right in the nose,” Mack said.

At that point most onlookers thought Mack had thrown the ball twice, a misconception he last week wanted to rectify. He said he only threw it once. Coffee agreed.

Still, many in the arena grew incensed – like Coffee’s teammate, Negele Knight, who took the incident personally, the Dayton Daily News said. Knight ran from the wing of Dayton’s press and chest-bumped Mack.

“That’s all I could do,” Knight told the newspaper. “I knew if I started a fight, I’d get thrown out. So I just bumped him to see if I could get a reaction. He didn’t react.”
Following orders

Coffee was shocked after Mack hit him with the ball and remained, for a while, angry.

“Chris hit me really, really good, square on nose and mouth, and split my lip even further. That’s when people realized it was intentional, and there was an uproar,” said Coffee, who lives in Alabama and recently recounted the story.

He didn’t retaliate.

“Even if I wanted to swing, I didn’t know what direction to swing because my eyes were watering so much,” Coffee said.

The referee called a technical foul on Mack, the Dayton Daily News said. The teams shoved each other and the atmosphere was charged, but no fighting took place.

Mack was the only Purple Ace who tried to shake hands after the Flyers’ 23-point win, according to the Dayton Daily News story.

He told its reporter he was sorry, and that he was trying to throw the ball over Coffee’s head – but under the bottom of the backboard – to beat the five-second count.

Mack last week said the latter comments were meant to protect his coach. He took the game to heart and said the Coffee incident contributed to his decision to transfer.

Crews, who became Army’s head coach in 2002, on Monday supported Mack’s account of the game. It sure was a long time ago, Crews said, and he didn’t remember the first ball thrown at Coffee, but Mack did what he was told.

“He followed orders,” Crews said.

Crews said he warned his players then that Dayton defenders were going to keep crossing the line, per their coach’s instruction. If officials weren’t going to whistle them for violations, UD’s players would continue the behavior, Crews said.

Coffee said he never crossed he end line and went out of bounds. He didn’t have to, he said, because his “arms and legs were long enough” to defend the pass.
Lessons learned

Once he returned to Evansville, the exchange weighed on Mack. He composed an apology to Coffee and slipped it in the mail.

“For him to write the letter … I definitely didn’t expect that. He hoped I would forgive him,” Coffee said. “I thought that was very classy. I never held any ill-will against him.”

The next year Mack transferred to Xavier, where he went on to be a two-time captain. He said he loved Crews as a coach, but “those type of things” led him out of Evansville.

“I felt bad. I want to compete and I want to win but I’m not going to do it that way,” Mack said.

Coffee today wishes only the best for Mack and was congratulatory about his new role at XU. Although Mack has moved on, too, he won’t forget.

“Not only did I learn a lesson as a player but I really learned more of a lesson as a coach, dealing with kids,” Mack said. “It’s about competing and being nasty and tough, but it’s also about shaking their hand and doing it the right way.”

Time doesn’t always sway those who hold grudges. Despite the fact that his wife, Christi, was a Flyer, Mack probably won’t get a warm reception the first time he leads XU at UD Arena.

To that end, two things are certain: The Xavier-Dayton animosity will live on, and Mack – a Musketeer through-and-through – doesn’t expect to make any new Dayton friends. The Coffee incident ensured as much.

“I became the villain at Dayton,” Mack said. “And I’ve got no problem with that.”
 
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Mack wins.

You don't have to like him, but he wins.
 
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Just assume you mean winning basketball...... not many liked Huggs, can't have it both ways.
 
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(12-03-2017 12:10 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Mack wins.

You don't have to like him, but he wins.

Sort of, but not at an elite level to be such an a-hole. Final 4 appearances=0. #1 seeded teams=0.
 
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(12-03-2017 12:26 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:10 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Mack wins.

You don't have to like him, but he wins.

Sort of, but not at an elite level to be such an a-hole. Final 4 appearances=0. #1 seeded teams=0.

Not an elite coach. Does own UC and Mick.
 
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(12-03-2017 01:44 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:26 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:10 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Mack wins.

You don't have to like him, but he wins.

Sort of, but not at an elite level to be such an a-hole. Final 4 appearances=0. #1 seeded teams=0.

Not an elite coach. Does own UC and Mick.

Is he a top 35 coach? There are about 350 Division 1 teams, if Elite = Top 10% = 35 coaches. Are there 35 better coaches in Division 1?
 
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(12-03-2017 02:03 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:44 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:26 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:10 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Mack wins.

You don't have to like him, but he wins.

Sort of, but not at an elite level to be such an a-hole. Final 4 appearances=0. #1 seeded teams=0.

Not an elite coach. Does own UC and Mick.

Is he a top 35 coach? There are about 350 Division 1 teams, if Elite = Top 10% = 35 coaches. Are there 35 better coaches in Division 1?
If Mack is elite, then Mick is elite, too. Not sure that's the conclusion you we're aiming at, but that's where it will lead.
 
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RE: Chris Mack Style of Basketball
(12-03-2017 02:33 PM)crex043 Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 02:03 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:44 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:26 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:10 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Mack wins.

You don't have to like him, but he wins.

Sort of, but not at an elite level to be such an a-hole. Final 4 appearances=0. #1 seeded teams=0.

Not an elite coach. Does own UC and Mick.

Is he a top 35 coach? There are about 350 Division 1 teams, if Elite = Top 10% = 35 coaches. Are there 35 better coaches in Division 1?
If Mack is elite, then Mick is elite, too. Not sure that's the conclusion you we're aiming at, but that's where it will lead.

But Mack is eliter
 
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(12-03-2017 02:35 PM)jarr Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 02:33 PM)crex043 Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 02:03 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:44 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:26 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  Sort of, but not at an elite level to be such an a-hole. Final 4 appearances=0. #1 seeded teams=0.

Not an elite coach. Does own UC and Mick.

Is he a top 35 coach? There are about 350 Division 1 teams, if Elite = Top 10% = 35 coaches. Are there 35 better coaches in Division 1?
If Mack is elite, then Mick is elite, too. Not sure that's the conclusion you we're aiming at, but that's where it will lead.

But Mack is eliter
That's fine, but unless he wins a championship no one is going to remember him two years after he retires outside of Cincinnati.
 
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I wouldn't count Mack out for the Louisville job once the dust settles after this season down there. As an X alum he'd never admit it, but the ceiling isn't high enough there for his ambition and the money and ego gratification Louisville provides. He would double his earnings (minimum), get most any blue chip recruit he desires and play on the biggest stage now for college bball, the ACC.
 
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(12-03-2017 02:33 PM)crex043 Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 02:03 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:44 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:26 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:10 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Mack wins.

You don't have to like him, but he wins.

Sort of, but not at an elite level to be such an a-hole. Final 4 appearances=0. #1 seeded teams=0.

Not an elite coach. Does own UC and Mick.

Is he a top 35 coach? There are about 350 Division 1 teams, if Elite = Top 10% = 35 coaches. Are there 35 better coaches in Division 1?
If Mack is elite, then Mick is elite, too. Not sure that's the conclusion you we're aiming at, but that's where it will lead.

Unfortunately I think there are many more than 35 coaches better than Mick. Mick is a Top 5 re-builder though. I'm not sure on Mack.
 
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Section 200, the game is over man. Go back to your xavier board.
 
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(12-03-2017 07:14 PM)InspectorHound Wrote:  Section 200, the game is over man. Go back to your xavier board.

Epic Applause
 
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Real class act they got over in Norwood. Cronin's mother passed away from cancer over 10 years ago.
 
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Real class act they got over in Norwood. Cronin's mother passed away from cancer over 10 years ago.

Disgusting
 
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(12-03-2017 10:18 PM)jarr Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 09:45 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  [Image: DQCzGeQUMAAqtWS.jpg]

Real class act they got over in Norwood. Cronin's mother passed away from cancer over 10 years ago.

Disgusting

Shocking coming from that trash.
 
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(12-03-2017 02:03 PM)Section 200 Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 01:44 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:26 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:10 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Mack wins.

You don't have to like him, but he wins.

Sort of, but not at an elite level to be such an a-hole. Final 4 appearances=0. #1 seeded teams=0.

Not an elite coach. Does own UC and Mick.

Is he a top 35 coach? There are about 350 Division 1 teams, if Elite = Top 10% = 35 coaches. Are there 35 better coaches in Division 1?

Why doesn't XU schedule WVU?
 
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(12-03-2017 11:11 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 10:18 PM)jarr Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 09:45 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  [Image: DQCzGeQUMAAqtWS.jpg]

Real class act they got over in Norwood. Cronin's mother passed away from cancer over 10 years ago.

Disgusting

Shocking coming from that trash.

UC fans are perfectly happy with their Xavier Girls are Ugly shirts or with making fun of their cheerleaders. Neither fanbase has a monopoly on boorishness.
 
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(12-04-2017 11:42 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 11:11 PM)rtaylor Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 10:18 PM)jarr Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 09:45 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  [Image: DQCzGeQUMAAqtWS.jpg]

Real class act they got over in Norwood. Cronin's mother passed away from cancer over 10 years ago.

Disgusting

Shocking coming from that trash.

UC fans are perfectly happy with their Xavier Girls are Ugly shirts or with making fun of their cheerleaders. Neither fanbase has a monopoly on boorishness.

Making fun of a cancer victim is a little higher on the pecking order than some good natured ribbing. This is the same fanbase who wished death upon Huggs, when he had the heart attack.
 
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