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I think it's safe to say MLS is America's fifth major sport
Sure soccer isn't as popular here as it is in other parts of the world but that doesn't stop MLS from posting similar attendance figures as the NHL and NBA. It's a fixture in numerous markets with multiple teams in major markets. It lacks the major star power of other leagues except washed up Euros going on a publicity tour but I think it's safe to say it's more than a niche sport. To my knowledge, it's not propped up like the WNBA and shouldn't be on the verge of bankruptcy. It's good to go for the foreseeable future.
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RE: I think it's safe to say MLS is America's fifth major sport
Big difference drawing those numbers for 34 games compared to 82. Also gotta factor per game gate revenue.
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RE: I think it's safe to say MLS is America's fifth major sport
True, it's certainly not up there revenue-wise like the others but even as the weakest link, it's still a link. It's still more popular than the NHL in many locales for example.
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(12-02-2017 09:40 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Big difference drawing those numbers for 34 games compared to 82. Also gotta factor per game gate revenue.

MLS ticket prices are fairly high, so average per game revenue might be higher in MLS than in NHL. Not higher than NBA, though.

Smartest business move MLS has made is putting "soccer specific" stadiums that seat about 20,000 in most markets. At that capacity, they can charge high ticket prices because they don't have too much excess, and many teams have a waitlist for season tickets. If every stadium had 50,000 seats, most fans would feel no need to buy season tickets or even half-season plans, because you could always get tickets at the stadium on game day.

And yes, it helps to have 17 home games instead of 41. NBA and NHL season tickets are much less appealing now because of the secondary markets like StubHub. Few NBA or NHL season ticket holders are so un-busy that they can make it to all 41 home games anyway, and with tickets always available on the secondary market, even a dedicated fan can go to the 20 games they really want to see for less than the price of season tickets.
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(12-03-2017 12:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-02-2017 09:40 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Big difference drawing those numbers for 34 games compared to 82. Also gotta factor per game gate revenue.

MLS ticket prices are fairly high, so average per game revenue might be higher in MLS than in NHL. Not higher than NBA, though.

Smartest business move MLS has made is putting "soccer specific" stadiums that seat about 20,000 in most markets. At that capacity, they can charge high ticket prices because they don't have too much excess, and many teams have a waitlist for season tickets. If every stadium had 50,000 seats, most fans would feel no need to buy season tickets or even half-season plans, because you could always get tickets at the stadium on game day.

And yes, it helps to have 17 home games instead of 41. NBA and NHL season tickets are much less appealing now because of the secondary markets like StubHub. Few NBA or NHL season ticket holders are so un-busy that they can make it to all 41 home games anyway, and with tickets always available on the secondary market, even a dedicated fan can go to the 20 games they really want to see for less than the price of season tickets.

I agree with you on Stadium size being key to MLS success, the other factor IMO was controlled growth which I feel they are squandering which the expansion craze that has taken hold in recent years.
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RE: I think it's safe to say MLS is America's fifth major sport
MLS is 5th in a 4 man race. NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL are 4 of the 5 highest revenue leagues in the world. MLS is about 15-18, somewhere around the Russian league and 2.Bundesliga. Are they sustainable? Sure, but they need to grow by nearly an order of magnitude before being compared to the other 4 American sports leagues.
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(12-03-2017 04:37 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 12:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(12-02-2017 09:40 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Big difference drawing those numbers for 34 games compared to 82. Also gotta factor per game gate revenue.

MLS ticket prices are fairly high, so average per game revenue might be higher in MLS than in NHL. Not higher than NBA, though.

Smartest business move MLS has made is putting "soccer specific" stadiums that seat about 20,000 in most markets. At that capacity, they can charge high ticket prices because they don't have too much excess, and many teams have a waitlist for season tickets. If every stadium had 50,000 seats, most fans would feel no need to buy season tickets or even half-season plans, because you could always get tickets at the stadium on game day.

And yes, it helps to have 17 home games instead of 41. NBA and NHL season tickets are much less appealing now because of the secondary markets like StubHub. Few NBA or NHL season ticket holders are so un-busy that they can make it to all 41 home games anyway, and with tickets always available on the secondary market, even a dedicated fan can go to the 20 games they really want to see for less than the price of season tickets.

I agree with you on Stadium size being key to MLS success, the other factor IMO was controlled growth which I feel they are squandering which the expansion craze that has taken hold in recent years.

That is a big concern. 24, 26, 28 teams coupled with the severe restrictions on salaries is going to make it difficult to maintain quality of play.

The short/mid-term goal for MLS is to raise the quality of play to at least the level of Liga MX, but expansion makes that impossible unless they let MLS teams pay more for talent.
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RE: I think it's safe to say MLS is America's fifth major sport
Who would be their competition?

Arena Football?
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(12-03-2017 11:06 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  MLS is 5th in a 4 man race. NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL are 4 of the 5 highest revenue leagues in the world. MLS is about 15-18, somewhere around the Russian league and 2.Bundesliga. Are they sustainable? Sure, but they need to grow by nearly an order of magnitude before being compared to the other 4 American sports leagues.

Not doubting you, but would love to see the list.
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(12-04-2017 05:23 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 11:06 AM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  MLS is 5th in a 4 man race. NFL, MLB, NBA, and NHL are 4 of the 5 highest revenue leagues in the world. MLS is about 15-18, somewhere around the Russian league and 2.Bundesliga. Are they sustainable? Sure, but they need to grow by nearly an order of magnitude before being compared to the other 4 American sports leagues.

Not doubting you, but would love to see the list.

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