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RE: CAA Football
(12-04-2017 10:57 AM)bostonspider Wrote: Well if JMU and UD move up, and VU and UR join the Patriot, would W&M be happy in the CAA Football conference? Just wondering.
They aren't going 1-A unless a 1-A conference wants them. (No, don't point to Liberty. W&M's not doing that, don't try to tell me they should do that.) Whether or not they're happy is immaterial.
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RE: CAA Football
(12-04-2017 10:57 AM)bostonspider Wrote: Well if JMU and UD move up, and VU and UR join the Patriot, would W&M be happy in the CAA Football conference? Just wondering.
VU and UR aren't joining the Patriot without W&M. VU maybe, but not UR. Priorities for the three schools are quite similar for football. The three combined would have drawing power for a number of possibilities down the road. I still believe other southern schools could be drawn into a new conference (or CAA football) if needed. Elon has shown they are serious about competing at a high level and should be factored in the future.
Patriot still holds zero appeal for me. Other than strong academics, we have little in common with Patriot football schools, especially geographically. We'll be traveling to Lewisburg, PA next Fall, and I predict it will not be a memorable trip.
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RE: CAA Football
An eastern football conference that included the 5 PL members, (Bucknell, Colgate, HC, Lehigh, Lafayette), and Fordham, from the current CAA; UR, VU, W&M, Elon, and from the SC; VMI, Furman, the Citadel and Wofford would be my first choice, though that is awfully large at 14 members. Maybe drop to two military academies, but they along with W&M give a little private/public balance, but are all still relatively small schools... two divisions
North
HC
Fordham
Colgate
Bucknell
Lehigh
Lafayette
Villanova
South
Richmond
W&M
VMI
Elon
Furman
Wofford
the Citadel
You play 6 against your division 3h/3a and then 2 revolving against the other division. A championship game would be cool, and then either playoffs, or the champ plays in a bowl versus the Ivy champ.
None of us will every be at the level of the P5 in football, so why not compete with schools of similar academic intent.
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RE: CAA Football
(12-05-2017 02:44 PM)bostonspider Wrote: An eastern football conference that included the 5 PL members, (Bucknell, Colgate, HC, Lehigh, Lafayette), and Fordham, from the current CAA; UR, VU, W&M, Elon, and from the SC; VMI, Furman, the Citadel and Wofford would be my first choice, though that is awfully large at 14 members.
You lost me as soon as you wrote "VMI". Those guys should have dropped to Div III long ago but are too proud (I guess) to admit it. They would fit right in to the ODAC with Wash+Lee, Hampden-Sydney, Randolph-Macon, Bridgewater, etc. They recently left the Big South and rejoined the Southern Conference -- and I'm not sure that they have won a conference football game since rejoining.
So, if the administration wanted my opinion (which they won't until I start giving a LOT MORE money), I would not support any W&M football conference that has VMI in it.
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RE: CAA Football
I will never get the VMI hate (I mean I mostly do I just disagree).
VMI should be on our schedule every single year in all sports. It's our second most played opponent after Richmond and they're a good local rival. Students actually know (and already dislike) VMI. We can't cry foul when former rivals don't play us and then turn around and refuse to play the schools that are still right here.
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(12-05-2017 04:08 PM)zablenoise Wrote: I will never get the VMI hate (I mean I mostly do I just disagree).
VMI should be on our schedule every single year in all sports. It's our second most played opponent after Richmond and they're a good local rival. Students actually know (and already dislike) VMI. We can't cry foul when former rivals don't play us and then turn around and refuse to play the schools that are still right here.
Students care about VMI 100x more than Savannah State, Bucknell, Lafayette, Lehigh, etc.
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RE: CAA Football
(12-05-2017 04:08 PM)zablenoise Wrote: I will never get the VMI hate (I mean I mostly do I just disagree).
VMI should be on our schedule every single year in all sports. It's our second most played opponent after Richmond and they're a good local rival. Students actually know (and already dislike) VMI. We can't cry foul when former rivals don't play us and then turn around and refuse to play the schools that are still right here.
Didn't VMI want to stop playing W&M?
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RE: CAA Football
(12-05-2017 04:29 PM)tribetime10 Wrote: (12-05-2017 04:08 PM)zablenoise Wrote: I will never get the VMI hate (I mean I mostly do I just disagree).
VMI should be on our schedule every single year in all sports. It's our second most played opponent after Richmond and they're a good local rival. Students actually know (and already dislike) VMI. We can't cry foul when former rivals don't play us and then turn around and refuse to play the schools that are still right here.
Students care about VMI 100x more than Savannah State, Bucknell, Lafayette, Lehigh, etc.
I wouldnt say that. Id say they are all equally bad......Maybe Lehigh is actually the preferred due to many PA/NJ students who actually contemplated going there and they do have the oldest rivalry in college football. VMI is currently off the radar of the avg WM student and their athletics profile is that of history only.
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RE: CAA Football
(12-05-2017 02:44 PM)bostonspider Wrote: An eastern football conference that included the 5 PL members, (Bucknell, Colgate, HC, Lehigh, Lafayette), and Fordham, from the current CAA; UR, VU, W&M, Elon, and from the SC; VMI, Furman, the Citadel and Wofford would be my first choice, though that is awfully large at 14 members. Maybe drop to two military academies, but they along with W&M give a little private/public balance, but are all still relatively small schools... two divisions
North
HC
Fordham
Colgate
Bucknell
Lehigh
Lafayette
Villanova
South
Richmond
W&M
VMI
Elon
Furman
Wofford
the Citadel
You play 6 against your division 3h/3a and then 2 revolving against the other division. A championship game would be cool, and then either playoffs, or the champ plays in a bowl versus the Ivy champ.
None of us will every be at the level of the P5 in football, so why not compete with schools of similar academic intent.
This lineup is not enticing. I am usually against moving up to G5, but if this is our best option, Id almost rather drop football.
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RE: CAA Football
I guess we will re-visit this issue when JMU and UD move up to FBS. Our options are dwindling, but we have no clear answer that will satisfy everyone. It will be up to our new President and Huge to take this initiative. Hopefully they will be BOLD.
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(12-05-2017 05:59 PM)nogretheogre Wrote: (12-05-2017 04:29 PM)tribetime10 Wrote: (12-05-2017 04:08 PM)zablenoise Wrote: I will never get the VMI hate (I mean I mostly do I just disagree).
VMI should be on our schedule every single year in all sports. It's our second most played opponent after Richmond and they're a good local rival. Students actually know (and already dislike) VMI. We can't cry foul when former rivals don't play us and then turn around and refuse to play the schools that are still right here.
Students care about VMI 100x more than Savannah State, Bucknell, Lafayette, Lehigh, etc.
I wouldnt say that. Id say they are all equally bad......Maybe Lehigh is actually the preferred due to many PA/NJ students who actually contemplated going there and they do have the oldest rivalry in college football. VMI is currently off the radar of the avg WM student and their athletics profile is that of history only.
No way. We sold out the student section for VMI in 2010. People know the school, they know people who went there.
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RE: CAA Football
(12-05-2017 06:20 PM)zablenoise Wrote: (12-05-2017 05:59 PM)nogretheogre Wrote: (12-05-2017 04:29 PM)tribetime10 Wrote: (12-05-2017 04:08 PM)zablenoise Wrote: I will never get the VMI hate (I mean I mostly do I just disagree).
VMI should be on our schedule every single year in all sports. It's our second most played opponent after Richmond and they're a good local rival. Students actually know (and already dislike) VMI. We can't cry foul when former rivals don't play us and then turn around and refuse to play the schools that are still right here.
Students care about VMI 100x more than Savannah State, Bucknell, Lafayette, Lehigh, etc.
I wouldnt say that. Id say they are all equally bad......Maybe Lehigh is actually the preferred due to many PA/NJ students who actually contemplated going there and they do have the oldest rivalry in college football. VMI is currently off the radar of the avg WM student and their athletics profile is that of history only.
No way. We sold out the student section for VMI in 2010. People know the school, they know people who went there.
Free tshirts?
That was the first home game after nearly winning the NC. We were ranked #4 at the end of the 2009 season. Name of Opponent was inconsequential.
This was the first year that I cared about WM football as well...several years after graduating.
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(12-05-2017 06:38 PM)nogretheogre Wrote: (12-05-2017 06:20 PM)zablenoise Wrote: (12-05-2017 05:59 PM)nogretheogre Wrote: (12-05-2017 04:29 PM)tribetime10 Wrote: (12-05-2017 04:08 PM)zablenoise Wrote: I will never get the VMI hate (I mean I mostly do I just disagree).
VMI should be on our schedule every single year in all sports. It's our second most played opponent after Richmond and they're a good local rival. Students actually know (and already dislike) VMI. We can't cry foul when former rivals don't play us and then turn around and refuse to play the schools that are still right here.
Students care about VMI 100x more than Savannah State, Bucknell, Lafayette, Lehigh, etc.
I wouldnt say that. Id say they are all equally bad......Maybe Lehigh is actually the preferred due to many PA/NJ students who actually contemplated going there and they do have the oldest rivalry in college football. VMI is currently off the radar of the avg WM student and their athletics profile is that of history only.
No way. We sold out the student section for VMI in 2010. People know the school, they know people who went there.
Free tshirts?
That was the first home game after nearly winning the NC. We were ranked #4 at the end of the 2009 season. Name of Opponent was inconsequential.
This was the first year that I cared about WM football as well...several years after graduating.
Totally disagree. We wouldn't have sold out the game without the '09 run. But we also wouldn't have sold out against Bucknell. It was a great marriage.
One thing I've been hesitant to bring up is that VMI students are a great foil to W&M students. I can't see a ton of love lost there.
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(12-05-2017 04:08 PM)zablenoise Wrote: I will never get the VMI hate (I mean I mostly do I just disagree).
VMI should be on our schedule every single year in all sports. It's our second most played opponent after Richmond and they're a good local rival. Students actually know (and already dislike) VMI. We can't cry foul when former rivals don't play us and then turn around and refuse to play the schools that are still right here.
I do not hate VMI; I have respect for the school. I just have no respect for the football program. Go back and look at the scores of the last 10-20 W&M/VMI football games. Then realize that any points that they scored were late in the game against our second and third stringers.
I'm okay with playing VMI in other sports except that the last 4-5 times we played them in basketball the games got really chippy -- and who needs that?
So, my attitude is that I don't want a bad team like VMI in our football conference any more than I would want W&L, HSC, Randy-Mac, etc.
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(12-05-2017 06:38 PM)nogretheogre Wrote: We were ranked #4 at the end of the 2009 season.
Weren't we ranked # 3 at the end of that season?
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I don't want any part of VMI football. It's never competitive and we've had seasons lost to cheap shots. Zero respect for that program.
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RE: CAA Football
I apologize for skimming most of this thread. It's a fascinating topic, and change is absolutely coming.
- Anyone who is against the Ivy League is crazy. Yes, it would mean a change to our sports programs (as if we wouldn't have finished in the bottom half of the conference this year, but whatever), but the bump in academic prestige would absolutely be worth it, 100 times over. With that being said, there is ZERO chance of the Ivy considering adding another member. Zero.
- I wholly agree that W&M belongs in the FCS. For one, we don't have the ability to blow our facilities up like JMU. Two, FCS is so much more interesting than playing MAC or Sun Belt level football. If you can get up to the American, it would worth it (and I'm sure JMU thinks they can reach the heights of ECU, so maybe that's not a complete pipe dream for them), but no way that applies to the Tribe.
- When it's time to reorganize, my dream is for W&M to try to help create a southern version of the Ivy League. W&M, UR, a beefed up Georgetown ... maybe a relaunched Carnegie Mellon and Johns Hopkins? The Citadel? I don't know how you get to six, but that would be my goal.
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RE: CAA Football
(12-05-2017 11:34 PM)Tank55 Wrote: - When it's time to reorganize, my dream is for W&M to try to help create a southern version of the Ivy League. W&M, UR, a beefed up Georgetown ... maybe a relaunched Carnegie Mellon and Johns Hopkins? The Citadel? I don't know how you get to six, but that would be my goal.
"Southern version"
"Carnegie Mellon"
Does not compute.
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(12-06-2017 08:06 AM)Rocco Wrote: (12-05-2017 11:34 PM)Tank55 Wrote: - When it's time to reorganize, my dream is for W&M to try to help create a southern version of the Ivy League. W&M, UR, a beefed up Georgetown ... maybe a relaunched Carnegie Mellon and Johns Hopkins? The Citadel? I don't know how you get to six, but that would be my goal.
"Southern version"
"Carnegie Mellon"
Does not compute.
Unfortunately many of the presumed players of a southern IVY league are in much more lucrative conferences. Duke, Wake, Vandy. Does Emory have athletics?
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(12-06-2017 12:12 PM)nogretheogre Wrote: (12-06-2017 08:06 AM)Rocco Wrote: (12-05-2017 11:34 PM)Tank55 Wrote: - When it's time to reorganize, my dream is for W&M to try to help create a southern version of the Ivy League. W&M, UR, a beefed up Georgetown ... maybe a relaunched Carnegie Mellon and Johns Hopkins? The Citadel? I don't know how you get to six, but that would be my goal.
"Southern version"
"Carnegie Mellon"
Does not compute.
Unfortunately many of the presumed players of a southern IVY league are in much more lucrative conferences. Duke, Wake, Vandy. Does Emory have athletics?
D3! Go Eagles!
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