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RE: CAA Football
(01-21-2019 07:07 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
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(01-21-2019 04:02 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  No more complaints about our schedule.

[Image: 1986-wm-football-schedule.jpg]

Holy Cross game = Gordie Lochbaum's visit to the Colonial Capitol. A rainy, dreary day as I recall.

That was a GREAT schedule at the time.

Colgate, our opener, had Kenny Gamble who was considered among the top running backs at the time in 1AA - which he showed in the 1H. This game was Lambiotte's coming out game, which as I remember we won with a 2H rally in exciting fashion.

Both Harvard and VMI were sellouts or close to it. There was an article written about the Harvard game, it was independent and taken by some larger papers, describing the game in positive terms, a football game with perspective.

I still have the newspaper write-up on the Holy Cross game - which was homecoming. They were undefeated and #1 in "1AA". We had just come off a win vs Princeton - that followed our huge win at UVA, 41-37. Gordie Lockbaum was in the running for the Heisman. Their head coach, Mark Duffner, a Tribe football alum who later took the job at Maryland, was the HC head coach. Holy Cross had sold 3,000 tickets for the game. The article mentioned Cary was overflowing with 17,100 at the game (we had huge end zones then) despite the rain.

If you were trying to make a point of sarcasm about a bad schedule, you failed miserably in this example.

Everyone complains that we should never join the Patriot League. This would essentially be our schedule in that world. I may be younger than many on this board, so I was unaware of the unique interesting circumstances of each of these games (as many others may have been). Regardless, I dont think that schedule would particularly excite the local fans or alums aside from the Harvard game.
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Times have certainly changed. Back then Laycock's offense was considered to be progressive and we passed a lot. Rewind to now and we'll see what the team looks like. Fans come to the games for three reasons: 1) watch a winner, 2) watch exciting football, and 3) socialize with friends at tailgates and in the game. We only checked the final box the last few years. I guess a fourth would be diehard loyalty, but ask the Redskins how long that lasts.
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(01-22-2019 12:14 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 07:07 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 05:49 PM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  [quote='nogretheogre' pid='15850180' dateline='1548104550']
No more complaints about our schedule.

[Image: 1986-wm-football-schedule.jpg]

Holy Cross game = Gordie Lochbaum's visit to the Colonial Capitol. A rainy, dreary day as I recall.

That was a GREAT schedule at the time.

Colgate, our opener, had Kenny Gamble who was considered among the top running backs at the time in 1AA - which he showed in the 1H. This game was Lambiotte's coming out game, which as I remember we won with a 2H rally in exciting fashion.

Both Harvard and VMI were sellouts or close to it. There was an article written about the Harvard game, it was independent and taken by some larger papers, describing the game in positive terms, a football game with perspective.

I still have the newspaper write-up on the Holy Cross game - which was homecoming. They were undefeated and #1 in "1AA". We had just come off a win vs Princeton - that followed our huge win at UVA, 41-37. Gordie Lockbaum was in the running for the Heisman. Their head coach, Mark Duffner, a Tribe football alum who later took the job at Maryland, was the HC head coach. Holy Cross had sold 3,000 tickets for the game. The article mentioned Cary was overflowing with 17,100 at the game (we had huge end zones then) despite the rain.

If you were trying to make a point of sarcasm about a bad schedule, you failed miserably in this example.

Everyone complains that we should never join the Patriot League. This would essentially be our schedule in that world. I may be younger than many on this board, so I was unaware of the unique interesting circumstances of each of these games (as many others may have been). Regardless, I dont think that schedule would particularly excite the local fans or alums aside from the Harvard game.
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RE: CAA Football
(01-22-2019 12:14 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 07:07 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 05:49 PM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 04:02 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  No more complaints about our schedule.

[Image: 1986-wm-football-schedule.jpg]

Holy Cross game = Gordie Lochbaum's visit to the Colonial Capitol. A rainy, dreary day as I recall.

That was a GREAT schedule at the time.

Colgate, our opener, had Kenny Gamble who was considered among the top running backs at the time in 1AA - which he showed in the 1H. This game was Lambiotte's coming out game, which as I remember we won with a 2H rally in exciting fashion.

Both Harvard and VMI were sellouts or close to it. There was an article written about the Harvard game, it was independent and taken by some larger papers, describing the game in positive terms, a football game with perspective.

I still have the newspaper write-up on the Holy Cross game - which was homecoming. They were undefeated and #1 in "1AA". We had just come off a win vs Princeton - that followed our huge win at UVA, 41-37. Gordie Lockbaum was in the running for the Heisman. Their head coach, Mark Duffner, a Tribe football alum who later took the job at Maryland, was the HC head coach. Holy Cross had sold 3,000 tickets for the game. The article mentioned Cary was overflowing with 17,100 at the game (we had huge end zones then) despite the rain.

If you were trying to make a point of sarcasm about a bad schedule, you failed miserably in this example.

Everyone complains that we should never join the Patriot League. This would essentially be our schedule in that world. I may be younger than many on this board, so I was unaware of the unique interesting circumstances of each of these games (as many others may have been). Regardless, I dont think that schedule would particularly excite the local fans or alums aside from the Harvard game.

Playing Holy Cross in 1986 was like playing North Dakota State today in terms of prowess. It was a big deal. For W&M and HC. How many visiting teams today bring 3,000 to Zable? Answer = None.

Harvard and Princeton would be good draws today - were more so in 1986. The official attendance then was 14,300 and 11,700 for those two. We would need a Homecoming game to pull that in today. We will probably draw half that for Towson and Rhode Island this year.

Interest for VMI was as high then as any CAA game today. Plus, VMI usually brought their entire Corps down for the game.

Best you move on from this subject as the example you are using, with zero background on the landscape then, is a major dud.
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(01-23-2019 12:03 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 12:14 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 07:07 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 05:49 PM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 04:02 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  No more complaints about our schedule.

[Image: 1986-wm-football-schedule.jpg]

Holy Cross game = Gordie Lochbaum's visit to the Colonial Capitol. A rainy, dreary day as I recall.

That was a GREAT schedule at the time.

Colgate, our opener, had Kenny Gamble who was considered among the top running backs at the time in 1AA - which he showed in the 1H. This game was Lambiotte's coming out game, which as I remember we won with a 2H rally in exciting fashion.

Both Harvard and VMI were sellouts or close to it. There was an article written about the Harvard game, it was independent and taken by some larger papers, describing the game in positive terms, a football game with perspective.

I still have the newspaper write-up on the Holy Cross game - which was homecoming. They were undefeated and #1 in "1AA". We had just come off a win vs Princeton - that followed our huge win at UVA, 41-37. Gordie Lockbaum was in the running for the Heisman. Their head coach, Mark Duffner, a Tribe football alum who later took the job at Maryland, was the HC head coach. Holy Cross had sold 3,000 tickets for the game. The article mentioned Cary was overflowing with 17,100 at the game (we had huge end zones then) despite the rain.

If you were trying to make a point of sarcasm about a bad schedule, you failed miserably in this example.

Everyone complains that we should never join the Patriot League. This would essentially be our schedule in that world. I may be younger than many on this board, so I was unaware of the unique interesting circumstances of each of these games (as many others may have been). Regardless, I dont think that schedule would particularly excite the local fans or alums aside from the Harvard game.

Playing Holy Cross in 1986 was like playing North Dakota State today in terms of prowess. It was a big deal. For W&M and HC. How many visiting teams today bring 3,000 to Zable? Answer = None.

Harvard and Princeton would be good draws today - were more so in 1986. The official attendance then was 14,300 and 11,700 for those two. We would need a Homecoming game to pull that in today. We will probably draw half that for Towson and Rhode Island this year.

Interest for VMI was as high then as any CAA game today. Plus, VMI usually brought their entire Corps down for the game.

Best you move on from this subject as the example you are using, with zero background on the landscape then, is a major dud.

Happy to move on, but in my defense, the image above was posted in the 125 year WM Football article. The article references the 86 season, but nearly all of the notable games were away games...not listed on this Big Board. If the point was to WOW us all, (as it clearly has you, since you defend it so vociferously) it is a swing and a miss for most under 50 years old, since most of those teams scheduled wouldnt have moved the needle since the 80s. While this vaunted Holy Cross dynasty was steamrolling through the lands, half of WM alums were watching the Ninja Turtles and drinking a juice box.
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(01-23-2019 03:12 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  
(01-23-2019 12:03 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(01-22-2019 12:14 PM)nogretheogre Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 07:07 PM)Sitting bull Wrote:  
(01-21-2019 05:49 PM)ScottyB757 Wrote:  Holy Cross game = Gordie Lochbaum's visit to the Colonial Capitol. A rainy, dreary day as I recall.

That was a GREAT schedule at the time.

Colgate, our opener, had Kenny Gamble who was considered among the top running backs at the time in 1AA - which he showed in the 1H. This game was Lambiotte's coming out game, which as I remember we won with a 2H rally in exciting fashion.

Both Harvard and VMI were sellouts or close to it. There was an article written about the Harvard game, it was independent and taken by some larger papers, describing the game in positive terms, a football game with perspective.

I still have the newspaper write-up on the Holy Cross game - which was homecoming. They were undefeated and #1 in "1AA". We had just come off a win vs Princeton - that followed our huge win at UVA, 41-37. Gordie Lockbaum was in the running for the Heisman. Their head coach, Mark Duffner, a Tribe football alum who later took the job at Maryland, was the HC head coach. Holy Cross had sold 3,000 tickets for the game. The article mentioned Cary was overflowing with 17,100 at the game (we had huge end zones then) despite the rain.

If you were trying to make a point of sarcasm about a bad schedule, you failed miserably in this example.

Everyone complains that we should never join the Patriot League. This would essentially be our schedule in that world. I may be younger than many on this board, so I was unaware of the unique interesting circumstances of each of these games (as many others may have been). Regardless, I dont think that schedule would particularly excite the local fans or alums aside from the Harvard game.

Playing Holy Cross in 1986 was like playing North Dakota State today in terms of prowess. It was a big deal. For W&M and HC. How many visiting teams today bring 3,000 to Zable? Answer = None.

Harvard and Princeton would be good draws today - were more so in 1986. The official attendance then was 14,300 and 11,700 for those two. We would need a Homecoming game to pull that in today. We will probably draw half that for Towson and Rhode Island this year.

Interest for VMI was as high then as any CAA game today. Plus, VMI usually brought their entire Corps down for the game.

Best you move on from this subject as the example you are using, with zero background on the landscape then, is a major dud.

Happy to move on, but in my defense, the image above was posted in the 125 year WM Football article. The article references the 86 season, but nearly all of the notable games were away games...not listed on this Big Board. If the point was to WOW us all, (as it clearly has you, since you defend it so vociferously) it is a swing and a miss for most under 50 years old, since most of those teams scheduled wouldnt have moved the needle since the 80s. While this vaunted Holy Cross dynasty was steamrolling through the lands, half of WM alums were watching the Ninja Turtles and drinking a juice box.

Just lay it up for what it is, your interest in history and perspective isn't that high. That's ok. It seems to be the trend these days. Since I have been around a bit longer, I would say these home games in 1986 were bigger games than today's schedule.
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Hypothesis is off. Younger generation's interest in history is strong...it's the attention span that is short.
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Are you guys really arguing over this? It's all based on opinion. I hate raw tomatoes - if you prefer to eat them, I won't slam you over it.

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(01-23-2019 05:13 PM)Tribal Wrote:  Are you guys really arguing over this? It's all based on opinion. I hate raw tomatoes - if you prefer to eat them, I won't slam you over it.

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Tribal, did you forget that this is an internet message board?
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Really, what's the point then. This is why fewer and fewer people even post here.
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My point is, being livid because someone holds a different opinion and continuously arguing over it seems fruitless. But, have at it.

BTW, postings in 2018 were off the charts compared to previous years.

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No one is livid and glad your posts are off the charts.

Over and out.
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