I find it a bit confusing. It is more money, so there's that. But Fisher was very well paid at FSU, so it's not like its radically more money. Guess ole Jimbo can buy himself a few more ivory backscratchers. I'd think Florida State would be the better program overall to coach. They've won 3 titles in the last 25 years. Texas A&M hasn't won one since the 1930s under whatever arcane rules were used back then. And then there's the route to success. The SEC West has to be the hardest division there is. It'll be hard to replicate his success at FSU. If Fisher had ties to Texas A&M (like being from the area or an alumni or something) I might understand it more. But he doesn't have those. Is it really worth it to take worse job for a few extra bucks?

Some coaches are better program builders than maintainers. That's why they leave every decade or so. Fisher might be one of them. He did a much better job rebuilding FSU from Bowden's retirement then he's shown maintaining from the 2013 title. Feels a lot like Urban Meyer did when his generational player left him in Gainesville and he needed a new start.

(12-01-2017 04:15 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 01:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  FSU did not fire Fisher, he quit for more money like i told this forum he very well might.

LSU fans are having a fit, lol.

Jimbo is overrated, LSU dodged a bullet

I agree he's overrated. Take away the two years Jameis Winston carried him, and his resume looks a lot thinner.

Still, is there any doubt he's better than Ed Orgeron?

(12-01-2017 05:23 PM)Jericho Wrote:  I find it a bit confusing. It is more money, so there's that. But Fisher was very well paid at FSU, so it's not like its radically more money. Guess ole Jimbo can buy himself a few more ivory backscratchers. I'd think Florida State would be the better program overall to coach. They've won 3 titles in the last 25 years. Texas A&M hasn't won one since the 1930s under whatever arcane rules were used back then. And then there's the route to success. The SEC West has to be the hardest division there is. It'll be hard to replicate his success at FSU. If Fisher had ties to Texas A&M (like being from the area or an alumni or something) I might understand it more. But he doesn't have those. Is it really worth it to take worse job for a few extra bucks?

First, he's apparently going to get paid almost 50% more by TAMU, about 7.5 million compared to about 5 million by FSU. That's not chump change.

Second, sure, Jimbo was scared by Saban the last couple of years, but as i mentioned the other day, Clemson has become as much a juggernaut as Alabama. And with Miami suddenly rising back up just to the south, you can make a rational argument that the ACC environment isn't any easier than the SEC environment.

Third, TAMU is easily a superior institution to FSU. It's better all around, and its athletic facilities are WAY better. Plus, unlike FSU, which always seems to be cash-strapped and postponing upgrades, TAMU has money to burn on football and has shown more than a willingness to burn it. FSU doesn't have anything like this:

http://12thman.com/facilities/?id=7

And no, there is no recruiting drop off. Texas is as fertile as Florida.

So you add up the power of Miami and Clemson and then toss in more than $2m a year and the institutional superiority, and the move makes sense.

(12-01-2017 01:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  FSU did not fire Fisher, he quit for more money like i told this forum he very well might.

LSU fans are having a fit, lol.

Well their state is cash strapped. Apparently Texas isn't.

10 Year 75 Million contract. Can't blame him but I don't think he will get his 2nd Nat Championship. Curious who will replace. I think FSU should look at Clemson DC instead of trying to bring another Head Coach.

(12-01-2017 06:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 01:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  FSU did not fire Fisher, he quit for more money like i told this forum he very well might.

LSU fans are having a fit, lol.

Well their state is cash strapped. Apparently Texas isn't.

Louisiana is cash-strapped, but not the LSU athletic department. It's run entirely separate from the state budget and is awash in cash. LSU can and has spent as much on football as anyone in the country.

That's one reason why the snub by Jimbo is irksome. But IMO, it's just timing. I think this year proved to Jimbo that (a) FSU, which really is cash-strapped, isn't able to keep up with the Joneses in terms of facilities, and (b) that Clemson under Dabo is for real, and will be as tough a nut to crack to win a national title as Saban and Alabama are.

Before this year, neither was evident to Jimbo, which is why he turned down LSU.

(12-01-2017 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 05:23 PM)Jericho Wrote:  I find it a bit confusing. It is more money, so there's that. But Fisher was very well paid at FSU, so it's not like its radically more money. Guess ole Jimbo can buy himself a few more ivory backscratchers. I'd think Florida State would be the better program overall to coach. They've won 3 titles in the last 25 years. Texas A&M hasn't won one since the 1930s under whatever arcane rules were used back then. And then there's the route to success. The SEC West has to be the hardest division there is. It'll be hard to replicate his success at FSU. If Fisher had ties to Texas A&M (like being from the area or an alumni or something) I might understand it more. But he doesn't have those. Is it really worth it to take worse job for a few extra bucks?

First, he's apparently going to get paid almost 50% more by TAMU, about 7.5 million compared to about 5 million by FSU. That's not chump change.

Second, sure, Jimbo was scared by Saban the last couple of years, but as i mentioned the other day, Clemson has become as much a juggernaut as Alabama. And with Miami suddenly rising back up just to the south, you can make a rational argument that the ACC environment isn't any easier than the SEC environment.

Third, TAMU is easily a superior institution to FSU. It's better all around, and its athletic facilities are WAY better. Plus, unlike FSU, which always seems to be cash-strapped and postponing upgrades, TAMU has money to burn on football and has shown more than a willingness to burn it. FSU doesn't have anything like this:

http://12thman.com/facilities/?id=7

And no, there is no recruiting drop off. Texas is as fertile as Florida.

So you add up the power of Miami and Clemson and then toss in more than $2m a year and the institutional superiority, and the move makes sense.

To use a Biblical illustration, "He saw the handwriting on the wall!" Alabama is strong. Auburn is getting stronger for now. Georgia is getting stronger. And Miami is getting stronger. Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia recruit North Florida almost as well as Florida and Florida State. When Miami gets rolling they will tend to keep the South Florida recruits at home. So Jimbo was looking at a highly competitive area getting even stronger. And the fact that Florida's moronic A.D. backed into getting his best possible candidate in Mullen to be their new head coach was just the straw that tripped his move to A&M. Recruiting for the foreseeable was about to be the most difficult of Jimbo's tenure in Florida.

Texas on the other hand has a 6-6 Longhorn Team, a private kicking down the door in Dallas/Ft.Worth and a retooling Texas Tech to compete with in state and in DFW he has the usual OU presence.

So not only is he getting 2.5 million a year more for 6 more years than he was guaranteed at F.S.U., but he's walking into a situation where his competition is down.

I think Old Jimbo may be a bit smarter than I've given him credit for being, well at least when it comes to reading the tea leaves.

Pity the man who replaces him at F.S.U.. The next decade is going to be as tough as they come for both the Noles and Gators.

(12-01-2017 06:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 05:23 PM)Jericho Wrote:  I find it a bit confusing. It is more money, so there's that. But Fisher was very well paid at FSU, so it's not like its radically more money. Guess ole Jimbo can buy himself a few more ivory backscratchers. I'd think Florida State would be the better program overall to coach. They've won 3 titles in the last 25 years. Texas A&M hasn't won one since the 1930s under whatever arcane rules were used back then. And then there's the route to success. The SEC West has to be the hardest division there is. It'll be hard to replicate his success at FSU. If Fisher had ties to Texas A&M (like being from the area or an alumni or something) I might understand it more. But he doesn't have those. Is it really worth it to take worse job for a few extra bucks?

First, he's apparently going to get paid almost 50% more by TAMU, about 7.5 million compared to about 5 million by FSU. That's not chump change.

Second, sure, Jimbo was scared by Saban the last couple of years, but as i mentioned the other day, Clemson has become as much a juggernaut as Alabama. And with Miami suddenly rising back up just to the south, you can make a rational argument that the ACC environment isn't any easier than the SEC environment.

Third, TAMU is easily a superior institution to FSU. It's better all around, and its athletic facilities are WAY better. Plus, unlike FSU, which always seems to be cash-strapped and postponing upgrades, TAMU has money to burn on football and has shown more than a willingness to burn it. FSU doesn't have anything like this:

http://12thman.com/facilities/?id=7

And no, there is no recruiting drop off. Texas is as fertile as Florida.

So you add up the power of Miami and Clemson and then toss in more than $2m a year and the institutional superiority, and the move makes sense.

To use a Biblical illustration, "He saw the handwriting on the wall!" Alabama is strong. Auburn is getting stronger for now. Georgia is getting stronger. And Miami is getting stronger. Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia recruit North Florida almost as well as Florida and Florida State. When Miami gets rolling they will tend to keep the South Florida recruits at home. So Jimbo was looking at a highly competitive area getting even stronger. And the fact that Florida's moronic A.D. backed into getting his best possible candidate in Mullen to be their new head coach was just the straw that tripped his move to A&M. Recruiting for the foreseeable was about to be the most difficult of Jimbo's tenure in Florida.

Texas on the other hand has a 6-6 Longhorn Team, a private kicking down the door in Dallas/Ft.Worth and a retooling Texas Tech to compete with in state and in DFW he has the usual OU presence.

So not only is he getting 2.5 million a year more for 6 more years than he was guaranteed at F.S.U., but he's walking into a situation where his competition is down.

I think Old Jimbo may be a bit smarter than I've given him credit for being, well at least when it comes to reading the tea leaves.

Pity the man who replaces him at F.S.U.. The next decade is going to be as tough as they come for both the Noles and Gators.

Texas has the #2 recruiting class nationally right now and 4 of the top 5 in state players with the 5th being a heavy Texas lean. 6-6 Texas can recruit just fine.

(12-01-2017 06:51 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 05:23 PM)Jericho Wrote:  I find it a bit confusing. It is more money, so there's that. But Fisher was very well paid at FSU, so it's not like its radically more money. Guess ole Jimbo can buy himself a few more ivory backscratchers. I'd think Florida State would be the better program overall to coach. They've won 3 titles in the last 25 years. Texas A&M hasn't won one since the 1930s under whatever arcane rules were used back then. And then there's the route to success. The SEC West has to be the hardest division there is. It'll be hard to replicate his success at FSU. If Fisher had ties to Texas A&M (like being from the area or an alumni or something) I might understand it more. But he doesn't have those. Is it really worth it to take worse job for a few extra bucks?

First, he's apparently going to get paid almost 50% more by TAMU, about 7.5 million compared to about 5 million by FSU. That's not chump change.

Second, sure, Jimbo was scared by Saban the last couple of years, but as i mentioned the other day, Clemson has become as much a juggernaut as Alabama. And with Miami suddenly rising back up just to the south, you can make a rational argument that the ACC environment isn't any easier than the SEC environment.

Third, TAMU is easily a superior institution to FSU. It's better all around, and its athletic facilities are WAY better. Plus, unlike FSU, which always seems to be cash-strapped and postponing upgrades, TAMU has money to burn on football and has shown more than a willingness to burn it. FSU doesn't have anything like this:

http://12thman.com/facilities/?id=7

And no, there is no recruiting drop off. Texas is as fertile as Florida.

So you add up the power of Miami and Clemson and then toss in more than $2m a year and the institutional superiority, and the move makes sense.

To use a Biblical illustration, "He saw the handwriting on the wall!" Alabama is strong. Auburn is getting stronger for now. Georgia is getting stronger. And Miami is getting stronger. Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia recruit North Florida almost as well as Florida and Florida State. When Miami gets rolling they will tend to keep the South Florida recruits at home. So Jimbo was looking at a highly competitive area getting even stronger. And the fact that Florida's moronic A.D. backed into getting his best possible candidate in Mullen to be their new head coach was just the straw that tripped his move to A&M. Recruiting for the foreseeable was about to be the most difficult of Jimbo's tenure in Florida.

Texas on the other hand has a 6-6 Longhorn Team, a private kicking down the door in Dallas/Ft.Worth and a retooling Texas Tech to compete with in state and in DFW he has the usual OU presence.

So not only is he getting 2.5 million a year more for 6 more years than he was guaranteed at F.S.U., but he's walking into a situation where his competition is down.

I think Old Jimbo may be a bit smarter than I've given him credit for being, well at least when it comes to reading the tea leaves.

Pity the man who replaces him at F.S.U.. The next decade is going to be as tough as they come for both the Noles and Gators.

Texas has the #2 recruiting class nationally right now and 4 of the top 5 in state players with the 5th being a heavy Texas lean. 6-6 Texas can recruit just fine.

Anyone can when your rival's coach is heading out the door. If UT doesn't show much improvement next year on the field this boon will be short lived. But to their credit, they did get stronger as the year progressed this year so I do think they are building. BTW: The speculation coming out of Tallahassee has Fuente near the top of the list.

Contract is fully guaranteed, meaning Jimbo's getting $20,000 per day for the next ten years if he wins a title or goes 4-8.

Nice work if you can get it.

(12-01-2017 06:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 01:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  FSU did not fire Fisher, he quit for more money like i told this forum he very well might.

LSU fans are having a fit, lol.

Well their state is cash strapped. Apparently Texas isn't.

Louisiana is cash-strapped, but not the LSU athletic department. It's run entirely separate from the state budget and is awash in cash. LSU can and has spent as much on football as anyone in the country.

That's one reason why the snub by Jimbo is irksome. But IMO, it's just timing. I think this year proved to Jimbo that (a) FSU, which really is cash-strapped, isn't able to keep up with the Joneses in terms of facilities, and (b) that Clemson under Dabo is for real, and will be as tough a nut to crack to win a national title as Saban and Alabama are.

Before this year, neither was evident to Jimbo, which is why he turned down LSU.

Not to mention the fact that Dabo is only 48, Mark Richt is only 57, and Justin Fuente is 41. Those three will likely be entrenched for a while.

Meanwhile in the SEC Saban is 66. Other than that nobody else is proven except Malzahn and he coaches at Auburn where they run off coaches that win national titles like nobody else in the business.

(12-01-2017 07:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:51 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 05:23 PM)Jericho Wrote:  I find it a bit confusing. It is more money, so there's that. But Fisher was very well paid at FSU, so it's not like its radically more money. Guess ole Jimbo can buy himself a few more ivory backscratchers. I'd think Florida State would be the better program overall to coach. They've won 3 titles in the last 25 years. Texas A&M hasn't won one since the 1930s under whatever arcane rules were used back then. And then there's the route to success. The SEC West has to be the hardest division there is. It'll be hard to replicate his success at FSU. If Fisher had ties to Texas A&M (like being from the area or an alumni or something) I might understand it more. But he doesn't have those. Is it really worth it to take worse job for a few extra bucks?

First, he's apparently going to get paid almost 50% more by TAMU, about 7.5 million compared to about 5 million by FSU. That's not chump change.

Second, sure, Jimbo was scared by Saban the last couple of years, but as i mentioned the other day, Clemson has become as much a juggernaut as Alabama. And with Miami suddenly rising back up just to the south, you can make a rational argument that the ACC environment isn't any easier than the SEC environment.

Third, TAMU is easily a superior institution to FSU. It's better all around, and its athletic facilities are WAY better. Plus, unlike FSU, which always seems to be cash-strapped and postponing upgrades, TAMU has money to burn on football and has shown more than a willingness to burn it. FSU doesn't have anything like this:

http://12thman.com/facilities/?id=7

And no, there is no recruiting drop off. Texas is as fertile as Florida.

So you add up the power of Miami and Clemson and then toss in more than $2m a year and the institutional superiority, and the move makes sense.

To use a Biblical illustration, "He saw the handwriting on the wall!" Alabama is strong. Auburn is getting stronger for now. Georgia is getting stronger. And Miami is getting stronger. Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia recruit North Florida almost as well as Florida and Florida State. When Miami gets rolling they will tend to keep the South Florida recruits at home. So Jimbo was looking at a highly competitive area getting even stronger. And the fact that Florida's moronic A.D. backed into getting his best possible candidate in Mullen to be their new head coach was just the straw that tripped his move to A&M. Recruiting for the foreseeable was about to be the most difficult of Jimbo's tenure in Florida.

Texas on the other hand has a 6-6 Longhorn Team, a private kicking down the door in Dallas/Ft.Worth and a retooling Texas Tech to compete with in state and in DFW he has the usual OU presence.

So not only is he getting 2.5 million a year more for 6 more years than he was guaranteed at F.S.U., but he's walking into a situation where his competition is down.

I think Old Jimbo may be a bit smarter than I've given him credit for being, well at least when it comes to reading the tea leaves.

Pity the man who replaces him at F.S.U.. The next decade is going to be as tough as they come for both the Noles and Gators.

Texas has the #2 recruiting class nationally right now and 4 of the top 5 in state players with the 5th being a heavy Texas lean. 6-6 Texas can recruit just fine.

Anyone can when your rival's coach is heading out the door. If UT doesn't show much improvement next year on the field this boon will be short lived. But to their credit, they did get stronger as the year progressed this year so I do think they are building. BTW: The speculation coming out of Tallahassee has Fuente near the top of the list.

I agree, but Texas still had back to back top 10 classes that were better than A&M's in 2015 and 2016 while Sumlin wasn't on his way out. Aside from transition classes, Texas' recruiting hasn't been heavily affected by their record.

As far as Fuente, yeah I'm not too confident he stays at VT. However, I think it would be a mistake to leave because a lot of the reason he's looked good these couple years is due to Bud Foster's defense. Bud won't be willing to go be a DC elsewhere. If he leaves, it's going to be for a HC position. VT has had the #13 and #18 defenses while offenses (Fuente's strength) have only been #61 and #39.

(12-01-2017 08:29 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 07:04 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:51 PM)Insane_Baboon Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  First, he's apparently going to get paid almost 50% more by TAMU, about 7.5 million compared to about 5 million by FSU. That's not chump change.

Second, sure, Jimbo was scared by Saban the last couple of years, but as i mentioned the other day, Clemson has become as much a juggernaut as Alabama. And with Miami suddenly rising back up just to the south, you can make a rational argument that the ACC environment isn't any easier than the SEC environment.

Third, TAMU is easily a superior institution to FSU. It's better all around, and its athletic facilities are WAY better. Plus, unlike FSU, which always seems to be cash-strapped and postponing upgrades, TAMU has money to burn on football and has shown more than a willingness to burn it. FSU doesn't have anything like this:

http://12thman.com/facilities/?id=7

And no, there is no recruiting drop off. Texas is as fertile as Florida.

So you add up the power of Miami and Clemson and then toss in more than $2m a year and the institutional superiority, and the move makes sense.

To use a Biblical illustration, "He saw the handwriting on the wall!" Alabama is strong. Auburn is getting stronger for now. Georgia is getting stronger. And Miami is getting stronger. Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia recruit North Florida almost as well as Florida and Florida State. When Miami gets rolling they will tend to keep the South Florida recruits at home. So Jimbo was looking at a highly competitive area getting even stronger. And the fact that Florida's moronic A.D. backed into getting his best possible candidate in Mullen to be their new head coach was just the straw that tripped his move to A&M. Recruiting for the foreseeable was about to be the most difficult of Jimbo's tenure in Florida.

Texas on the other hand has a 6-6 Longhorn Team, a private kicking down the door in Dallas/Ft.Worth and a retooling Texas Tech to compete with in state and in DFW he has the usual OU presence.

So not only is he getting 2.5 million a year more for 6 more years than he was guaranteed at F.S.U., but he's walking into a situation where his competition is down.

I think Old Jimbo may be a bit smarter than I've given him credit for being, well at least when it comes to reading the tea leaves.

Pity the man who replaces him at F.S.U.. The next decade is going to be as tough as they come for both the Noles and Gators.

Texas has the #2 recruiting class nationally right now and 4 of the top 5 in state players with the 5th being a heavy Texas lean. 6-6 Texas can recruit just fine.

Anyone can when your rival's coach is heading out the door. If UT doesn't show much improvement next year on the field this boon will be short lived. But to their credit, they did get stronger as the year progressed this year so I do think they are building. BTW: The speculation coming out of Tallahassee has Fuente near the top of the list.

I agree, but Texas still had back to back top 10 classes that were better than A&M's in 2015 and 2016 while Sumlin wasn't on his way out. Aside from transition classes, Texas' recruiting hasn't been heavily affected by their record.

As far as Fuente, yeah I'm not too confident he stays at VT. However, I think it would be a mistake to leave because a lot of the reason he's looked good these couple years is due to Bud Foster's defense. Bud won't be willing to go be a DC elsewhere. If he leaves, it's going to be for a HC position. VT has had the #13 and #18 defenses while offenses (Fuente's strength) have only been #61 and #39.

If Richt follows this season up with another good one the balance in Florida may shift for awhile. I think there is a great argument to be made for Fuente to stay put and take a bump. Right now with Tennessee down and UNC helping Wake and NCState stink up North Carolina, and with WVU still in the Big 12, your Hokies are in better position regionally than they have been in some time. I think following the guy who follows Fisher is the spot you would want to take.

(12-01-2017 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 05:23 PM)Jericho Wrote:  I find it a bit confusing. It is more money, so there's that. But Fisher was very well paid at FSU, so it's not like its radically more money. Guess ole Jimbo can buy himself a few more ivory backscratchers. I'd think Florida State would be the better program overall to coach. They've won 3 titles in the last 25 years. Texas A&M hasn't won one since the 1930s under whatever arcane rules were used back then. And then there's the route to success. The SEC West has to be the hardest division there is. It'll be hard to replicate his success at FSU. If Fisher had ties to Texas A&M (like being from the area or an alumni or something) I might understand it more. But he doesn't have those. Is it really worth it to take worse job for a few extra bucks?

Third, TAMU is easily a superior institution to FSU. It's better all around, and its athletic facilities are WAY better. Plus, unlike FSU, which always seems to be cash-strapped and postponing upgrades, TAMU has money to burn on football and has shown more than a willingness to burn it.

Lol, this is laughable

TAMU wishes they were Florida State

Florida State has played in 6 National Championships, won 3 of them. They have won many, many conference championships.

Facilities are nice, but they don't compensate for success and history

(12-01-2017 08:55 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 05:23 PM)Jericho Wrote:  I find it a bit confusing. It is more money, so there's that. But Fisher was very well paid at FSU, so it's not like its radically more money. Guess ole Jimbo can buy himself a few more ivory backscratchers. I'd think Florida State would be the better program overall to coach. They've won 3 titles in the last 25 years. Texas A&M hasn't won one since the 1930s under whatever arcane rules were used back then. And then there's the route to success. The SEC West has to be the hardest division there is. It'll be hard to replicate his success at FSU. If Fisher had ties to Texas A&M (like being from the area or an alumni or something) I might understand it more. But he doesn't have those. Is it really worth it to take worse job for a few extra bucks?

Third, TAMU is easily a superior institution to FSU. It's better all around, and its athletic facilities are WAY better. Plus, unlike FSU, which always seems to be cash-strapped and postponing upgrades, TAMU has money to burn on football and has shown more than a willingness to burn it.

Lol, this is laughable

TAMU wishes they were Florida State

Florida State has played in 6 National Championships, won 3 of them. They have won many, many conference championships.

Facilities are nice, but they don't compensate for success and history

I'm pretty sure he was talking about money, facilities, and academics. And for people born before 1977 Florida State is a Johnny come lately. For those who are really old it was an all female teacher's college.

(12-01-2017 05:23 PM)Jericho Wrote:  I find it a bit confusing. It is more money, so there's that. But Fisher was very well paid at FSU, so it's not like its radically more money. Guess ole Jimbo can buy himself a few more ivory backscratchers. I'd think Florida State would be the better program overall to coach. They've won 3 titles in the last 25 years. Texas A&M hasn't won one since the 1930s under whatever arcane rules were used back then. And then there's the route to success. The SEC West has to be the hardest division there is. It'll be hard to replicate his success at FSU. If Fisher had ties to Texas A&M (like being from the area or an alumni or something) I might understand it more. But he doesn't have those. Is it really worth it to take worse job for a few extra bucks?

The relationship between Jimbo and the FSU fanbase has deteriorated pretty fast...this move is good for both parties. Jimbo's coaching staff at FSU is abyssmal...the Oline coaching is flat-out unacceptable

FSU has the option to find someone that can utilize the amassed talent in Tallahassee, and Jimbo has the option to re-invent himself at Texas A&M

It's actually a win-win

(12-01-2017 06:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 04:15 PM)EvilVodka Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 01:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  FSU did not fire Fisher, he quit for more money like i told this forum he very well might.

LSU fans are having a fit, lol.

Jimbo is overrated, LSU dodged a bullet

I agree he's overrated. Take away the two years Jameis Winston carried him, and his resume looks a lot thinner.

Still, is there any doubt he's better than Ed Orgeron?

Ed Orgeron's coaching staff is light years better

(12-01-2017 07:56 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:43 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 01:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  FSU did not fire Fisher, he quit for more money like i told this forum he very well might.

LSU fans are having a fit, lol.

Well their state is cash strapped. Apparently Texas isn't.

Louisiana is cash-strapped, but not the LSU athletic department. It's run entirely separate from the state budget and is awash in cash. LSU can and has spent as much on football as anyone in the country.

That's one reason why the snub by Jimbo is irksome. But IMO, it's just timing. I think this year proved to Jimbo that (a) FSU, which really is cash-strapped, isn't able to keep up with the Joneses in terms of facilities, and (b) that Clemson under Dabo is for real, and will be as tough a nut to crack to win a national title as Saban and Alabama are.

Before this year, neither was evident to Jimbo, which is why he turned down LSU.

Not to mention the fact that Dabo is only 48, Mark Richt is only 57, and Justin Fuente is 41. Those three will likely be entrenched for a while.

Meanwhile in the SEC Saban is 66. Other than that nobody else is proven except Malzahn and he coaches at Auburn where they run off coaches that win national titles like nobody else in the business.

Yep, as soon as Saban retires Momma will call Dabo home and he'll go.

Fuente could easily be hired by a better SEC or Big 10 program if he doesn't head to Florida State. Personally speaking if I where in his position I'd stay at Tech for awhile and let the guy who follows Jimbo clean it up a tad. Recruiting in Florida is getting tighter all of the time now that UCF and USF are finding their stride. Let Richt hold the Miami area and the Southern tip at home and Florida and F.S.U. are going to find the blue chippers a lot harder to come by. Everyone recruits Florida, but with Auburn, Alabama, and Georgia on the up it makes recruiting North Florida that much harder.

As for Richt he's still searching for a title. He might be well placed to get one right now and since it will likely be his last stint, he could well bring the U back to prominence.

If Saban retires and Dabo stays I'll rep you. If he goes you rep me!

(12-01-2017 06:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 06:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 05:23 PM)Jericho Wrote:  I find it a bit confusing. It is more money, so there's that. But Fisher was very well paid at FSU, so it's not like its radically more money. Guess ole Jimbo can buy himself a few more ivory backscratchers. I'd think Florida State would be the better program overall to coach. They've won 3 titles in the last 25 years. Texas A&M hasn't won one since the 1930s under whatever arcane rules were used back then. And then there's the route to success. The SEC West has to be the hardest division there is. It'll be hard to replicate his success at FSU. If Fisher had ties to Texas A&M (like being from the area or an alumni or something) I might understand it more. But he doesn't have those. Is it really worth it to take worse job for a few extra bucks?

First, he's apparently going to get paid almost 50% more by TAMU, about 7.5 million compared to about 5 million by FSU. That's not chump change.

Second, sure, Jimbo was scared by Saban the last couple of years, but as i mentioned the other day, Clemson has become as much a juggernaut as Alabama. And with Miami suddenly rising back up just to the south, you can make a rational argument that the ACC environment isn't any easier than the SEC environment.

Third, TAMU is easily a superior institution to FSU. It's better all around, and its athletic facilities are WAY better. Plus, unlike FSU, which always seems to be cash-strapped and postponing upgrades, TAMU has money to burn on football and has shown more than a willingness to burn it. FSU doesn't have anything like this:

http://12thman.com/facilities/?id=7

And no, there is no recruiting drop off. Texas is as fertile as Florida.

So you add up the power of Miami and Clemson and then toss in more than $2m a year and the institutional superiority, and the move makes sense.

To use a Biblical illustration, "He saw the handwriting on the wall!" Alabama is strong. Auburn is getting stronger for now. Georgia is getting stronger. And Miami is getting stronger. Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia recruit North Florida almost as well as Florida and Florida State. When Miami gets rolling they will tend to keep the South Florida recruits at home. So Jimbo was looking at a highly competitive area getting even stronger. And the fact that Florida's moronic A.D. backed into getting his best possible candidate in Mullen to be their new head coach was just the straw that tripped his move to A&M. Recruiting for the foreseeable was about to be the most difficult of Jimbo's tenure in Florida.

Texas on the other hand has a 6-6 Longhorn Team, a private kicking down the door in Dallas/Ft.Worth and a retooling Texas Tech to compete with in state and in DFW he has the usual OU presence.

So not only is he getting 2.5 million a year more for 6 more years than he was guaranteed at F.S.U., but he's walking into a situation where his competition is down.

I think Old Jimbo may be a bit smarter than I've given him credit for being, well at least when it comes to reading the tea leaves.

Pity the man who replaces him at F.S.U.. The next decade is going to be as tough as they come for both the Noles and Gators.

Recruiting had absolutely nothing to do with it...FSU fans have been upset with Jimbo's coaching staff for a few years now, and a losing season like this year brought these issues to the surface. Jimbo DID read the tea-leaves...he saw himself getting fired after another season like this one

O-line coaching, Defensive coaching, and special teams have been abysmal. Francois has been beaten like a ragdoll