Breaking news. I have been named the new HC for the Vols. With all my years experience, and my membership in the Arm Chair Coaches HOF, I am sure I can make this work. No salary to speak of, but I was promised one of Smokey's puppies.

With Fulmer in tow, I would expect them to pursue Tee Martin. David Cutcliffe already turned it down and I'm not sure John Chavis has ever wanted to be a head coach. I'm not sure of any direct Fulmer-related connections that they could pursue.

In any event, Tennessee is an absolute mess.

This was the cost of Tennessee selling their souls to win in week 1.

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(12-02-2017 01:00 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  This was the cost of Tennessee selling their souls to win in week 1.

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Well did the other 5 schools that beat you sell their souls as well? I didn't know souls were such a bargain this year! They beat you because they hadn't learned to lose yet, a dynamic the would excel in before the year was out.

As an old Alabama Yearbook once pictured just prior to the UT game, "No Fruit Sucks Like the Big Orange!" And it was never truer than this year!

So Phillip Fuller is the new AD who shall be the catalyst to bring Tennessee back to unparalleled stability and amazing success?

How soon they forget old and very public controversies. I suppose they have their unique version of nostalgia.

(12-01-2017 10:48 PM)Sparty84 Wrote:  I work in downtown knoxville. My observation is that Tn politicians try to interfere and control university affairs far FAR to much.

I also think that the TN fan base has an over inflated opinion of their program. They seem to believe that any one that they offer the job to would come running begging to be coach at such a glorious mecca of college football.

Every fanbase has this syndrome to a degree ("Jackson to Mullin--he shoots! he SCORES!" that was last week, right?) But the reality is Tennessee packs 100,000 people into a stadium, they've got (wikipedia....) 13 SEC titles, a national championship that's old enough to go to UT but not to drink legally, Clay Travis wrote yesterday they're the 8th winningest program in college football. (At a St John's fan I know its bad when your go-to is "Nth winningest program ever.") They're a reasonable distance from Texas and Florida recruiting gold mines, plus the rest of SEC country.

They're not Purdue or Mississippi State or Texas Tech. Or at least they shouldn't be.

Someone compared them to NC State basketball, thinking they're better than they are, but UT football SHOULD be acting like NCSU basketball--target top-level swing-for-the-fences coaching hires, before settling for a Greg Schiano or a Mike Norvell.

Quote:It really boggles my brain that they passed on Schiano. Once again politicians trying to control the university IMHO.

Greg Schiano thought experiment.

Now that he's not going to be UT's head coach, does anyone expect him to be in the mix at Florida State?

No? Then don't be surprised that UT's fanbase lost their minds at him being the only candidate UT considered.

Bottom line, Schiano is more likely to end up coaching UCF next year than Florida STate. Tennessee is closer to FSU than UCF.

Quote:So the morals of the football coach are more important to Tn fans than the morals of the president that they voted for.

I was about to say "no doubt", but I reread your last sentence. It's not the morals of the coach, it's the mediocrity. If Greg Schiano had gone to 3 BCS bowls at Rutgers, fans would absolutely not care that he was accused of, as a young assistant, not reporting on his boss Sandusky. They'd barely care if he WERE Sandusky.

(12-02-2017 07:15 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  So Phillip Fuller is the new AD who shall be the catalyst to bring Tennessee back to unparalleled stability and amazing success?

How soon they forget old and very public controversies. I suppose they have their unique version of nostalgia.

Nostalgia is a factor here, but big time college sports run on nostalgia. With all the success Alabama's had under Saban, Roll Tide fans still wear Bryant's herringbone and ask "Got 14" or whatever the number is now.

And Tennessee football is not going to succeed at a high level if they don't have Fullmer and Peyton Manning, the incarnations of their most recent glory days, backing up the current regime.

(12-02-2017 09:19 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:48 PM)Sparty84 Wrote:  I work in downtown knoxville. My observation is that Tn politicians try to interfere and control university affairs far FAR to much.

I also think that the TN fan base has an over inflated opinion of their program. They seem to believe that any one that they offer the job to would come running begging to be coach at such a glorious mecca of college football.

Every fanbase has this syndrome to a degree ("Jackson to Mullin--he shoots! he SCORES!" that was last week, right?) But the reality is Tennessee packs 100,000 people into a stadium, they've got (wikipedia....) 13 SEC titles, a national championship that's old enough to go to UT but not to drink legally, Clay Travis wrote yesterday they're the 8th winningest program in college football. (At a St John's fan I know its bad when your go-to is "Nth winningest program ever.") They're a reasonable distance from Texas and Florida recruiting gold mines, plus the rest of SEC country.

They're not Purdue or Mississippi State or Texas Tech. Or at least they shouldn't be.

Someone compared them to NC State basketball, thinking they're better than they are, but UT football SHOULD be acting like NCSU basketball--target top-level swing-for-the-fences coaching hires, before settling for a Greg Schiano or a Mike Norvell.

Quote:It really boggles my brain that they passed on Schiano. Once again politicians trying to control the university IMHO.

Greg Schiano thought experiment.

Now that he's not going to be UT's head coach, does anyone expect him to be in the mix at Florida State?

No? Then don't be surprised that UT's fanbase lost their minds at him being the only candidate UT considered.

Bottom line, Schiano is more likely to end up coaching UCF next year than Florida STate. Tennessee is closer to FSU than UCF.

Quote:So the morals of the football coach are more important to Tn fans than the morals of the president that they voted for.

I was about to say "no doubt", but I reread your last sentence. It's not the morals of the coach, it's the mediocrity. If Greg Schiano had gone to 3 BCS bowls at Rutgers, fans would absolutely not care that he was accused of, as a young assistant, not reporting on his boss Sandusky. They'd barely care if he WERE Sandusky.

(12-02-2017 07:15 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  So Phillip Fuller is the new AD who shall be the catalyst to bring Tennessee back to unparalleled stability and amazing success?

How soon they forget old and very public controversies. I suppose they have their unique version of nostalgia.

Nostalgia is a factor here, but big time college sports run on nostalgia. With all the success Alabama's had under Saban, Roll Tide fans still wear Bryant's herringbone and ask "Got 14" or whatever the number is now.

And Tennessee football is not going to succeed at a high level if they don't have Fullmer and Peyton Manning, the incarnations of their most recent glory days, backing up the current regime.

My thought on Schiano: if Currie had clearly gone after Gundy, Leach, Peterson, etc first and they all said no, TN fans might not have revolted. The moral issues, if they exist, we're a factor too, but the main issue was that Schiano was option 1. At option 6, he may have been acceptable, but we wanted Currie to swing for the fences. I'm not high on Gruden, but at least make that phone call. Currie seemed to Target Schiano from day 1, not considering bigger names (even Mullen while Kelly was still going to Florida).

Tennessee is a major program. There is no denying that.

The problems they have are no different than any other major program has had. They are just the flavor of the day.

They need a manager to come in and take control of the situation. An Xs and Os coach isn’t going to solve this.

(12-02-2017 12:04 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Tennessee is a major program. There is no denying that.

Would you say that Schiano is a good coaching hire for a major program? (Forget the Sandusky stuff, just his Rutgers/Tampa Bay/Ohio State record.) Or is Greg Schiano the guy you hire after a bungled coaching search where your first few choices say "no"?

I think a big part of the VFL uprising was that their AD hired a coach like he was still hiring for Kansas State.

Schiano may wind up at Washington State

(12-02-2017 12:34 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Schiano may wind up at Washington State

He'd be a fish out of water out West. I think a school like Pitt or a Big 10 school needing a replacement would be the best bet.

(12-02-2017 09:19 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:48 PM)Sparty84 Wrote:  I work in downtown knoxville. My observation is that Tn politicians try to interfere and control university affairs far FAR to much.

I also think that the TN fan base has an over inflated opinion of their program. They seem to believe that any one that they offer the job to would come running begging to be coach at such a glorious mecca of college football.

Every fanbase has this syndrome to a degree ("Jackson to Mullin--he shoots! he SCORES!" that was last week, right?) But the reality is Tennessee packs 100,000 people into a stadium, they've got (wikipedia....) 13 SEC titles, a national championship that's old enough to go to UT but not to drink legally, Clay Travis wrote yesterday they're the 8th winningest program in college football. (At a St John's fan I know its bad when your go-to is "Nth winningest program ever.") They're a reasonable distance from Texas and Florida recruiting gold mines, plus the rest of SEC country.

They're not Purdue or Mississippi State or Texas Tech. Or at least they shouldn't be.

Someone compared them to NC State basketball, thinking they're better than they are, but UT football SHOULD be acting like NCSU basketball--target top-level swing-for-the-fences coaching hires, before settling for a Greg Schiano or a Mike Norvell.

Quote:It really boggles my brain that they passed on Schiano. Once again politicians trying to control the university IMHO.

Greg Schiano thought experiment.

Now that he's not going to be UT's head coach, does anyone expect him to be in the mix at Florida State?

No? Then don't be surprised that UT's fanbase lost their minds at him being the only candidate UT considered.

Bottom line, Schiano is more likely to end up coaching UCF next year than Florida STate. Tennessee is closer to FSU than UCF.

Quote:So the morals of the football coach are more important to Tn fans than the morals of the president that they voted for.

I was about to say "no doubt", but I reread your last sentence. It's not the morals of the coach, it's the mediocrity. If Greg Schiano had gone to 3 BCS bowls at Rutgers, fans would absolutely not care that he was accused of, as a young assistant, not reporting on his boss Sandusky. They'd barely care if he WERE Sandusky.

(12-02-2017 07:15 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  So Phillip Fuller is the new AD who shall be the catalyst to bring Tennessee back to unparalleled stability and amazing success?

How soon they forget old and very public controversies. I suppose they have their unique version of nostalgia.

Nostalgia is a factor here, but big time college sports run on nostalgia. With all the success Alabama's had under Saban, Roll Tide fans still wear Bryant's herringbone and ask "Got 14" or whatever the number is now.

And Tennessee football is not going to succeed at a high level if they don't have Fullmer and Peyton Manning, the incarnations of their most recent glory days, backing up the current regime.

Locally in knoxville all i heard from the Orange Fan Base was how unqualified Schiano was due to his affiliation with Penn State. Nothing about his actual coaching ability. I honestly don't know enough about his coaching ability to comment.

(12-02-2017 01:53 PM)Sparty84 Wrote:  Locally in knoxville all i heard from the Orange Fan Base was how unqualified Schiano was due to his affiliation with Penn State. Nothing about his actual coaching ability. I honestly don't know enough about his coaching ability to comment.

Huh. Maybe I'm looking at the wrong end of the telescope. As a Big East guy, I see Schiano as a guy who would win 5-8 games a year in the SEC East, with a chance of going 0-for-ever against Alabama, Georgia and Florida. If I'm a guy wearing orange-and-white checkered overalls, that's enough to get me to flip out. (Then again, I'm a dope who was behind St Johns firing Fran Fraschilla in 1998 for interviewing for the Arizona State job. Jesus what an idiot.)

(12-02-2017 01:09 AM)JRsec Wrote:  Well did the other 5 schools that beat you sell their souls as well? I didn't know souls were such a bargain this year! They beat you because they hadn't learned to lose yet, a dynamic the would excel in before the year was out.

As an old Alabama Yearbook once pictured just prior to the UT game, "No Fruit Sucks Like the Big Orange!" And it was never truer than this year!

It's a comment on the bizarre nature of the game. How GT repeatedly coughed the ball up heading in for uncontested touchdowns. How they had 700+ yards of offense and somehow lost.

And on that end of things, a good case could be made for UVA and Miami also having made the same deal!

(12-03-2017 10:29 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 10:29 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

But can he recruit outside of Louisiana? That's how you succeed at this level of foosball.

(12-03-2017 10:50 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 10:29 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

But can he recruit outside of Louisiana? That's how you succeed at this level of foosball.

Oh yes he can. Vicki Vallencourt is in charge of recruiting!

(12-02-2017 01:53 PM)Sparty84 Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 09:19 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:48 PM)Sparty84 Wrote:  I work in downtown knoxville. My observation is that Tn politicians try to interfere and control university affairs far FAR to much.

I also think that the TN fan base has an over inflated opinion of their program. They seem to believe that any one that they offer the job to would come running begging to be coach at such a glorious mecca of college football.

Every fanbase has this syndrome to a degree ("Jackson to Mullin--he shoots! he SCORES!" that was last week, right?) But the reality is Tennessee packs 100,000 people into a stadium, they've got (wikipedia....) 13 SEC titles, a national championship that's old enough to go to UT but not to drink legally, Clay Travis wrote yesterday they're the 8th winningest program in college football. (At a St John's fan I know its bad when your go-to is "Nth winningest program ever.") They're a reasonable distance from Texas and Florida recruiting gold mines, plus the rest of SEC country.

They're not Purdue or Mississippi State or Texas Tech. Or at least they shouldn't be.

Someone compared them to NC State basketball, thinking they're better than they are, but UT football SHOULD be acting like NCSU basketball--target top-level swing-for-the-fences coaching hires, before settling for a Greg Schiano or a Mike Norvell.

Quote:It really boggles my brain that they passed on Schiano. Once again politicians trying to control the university IMHO.

Greg Schiano thought experiment.

Now that he's not going to be UT's head coach, does anyone expect him to be in the mix at Florida State?

No? Then don't be surprised that UT's fanbase lost their minds at him being the only candidate UT considered.

Bottom line, Schiano is more likely to end up coaching UCF next year than Florida STate. Tennessee is closer to FSU than UCF.

Quote:So the morals of the football coach are more important to Tn fans than the morals of the president that they voted for.

I was about to say "no doubt", but I reread your last sentence. It's not the morals of the coach, it's the mediocrity. If Greg Schiano had gone to 3 BCS bowls at Rutgers, fans would absolutely not care that he was accused of, as a young assistant, not reporting on his boss Sandusky. They'd barely care if he WERE Sandusky.

(12-02-2017 07:15 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  So Phillip Fuller is the new AD who shall be the catalyst to bring Tennessee back to unparalleled stability and amazing success?

How soon they forget old and very public controversies. I suppose they have their unique version of nostalgia.

Nostalgia is a factor here, but big time college sports run on nostalgia. With all the success Alabama's had under Saban, Roll Tide fans still wear Bryant's herringbone and ask "Got 14" or whatever the number is now.

And Tennessee football is not going to succeed at a high level if they don't have Fullmer and Peyton Manning, the incarnations of their most recent glory days, backing up the current regime.

Locally in knoxville all i heard from the Orange Fan Base was how unqualified Schiano was due to his affiliation with Penn State. Nothing about his actual coaching ability. I honestly don't know enough about his coaching ability to comment.

Schiano was a great recruiter at Rutgers especially with his early pipeline down in Florida before he could start keeping some of the local talent home. Sealing the deal with Ray Rice helped him immensely too after Rice de-committed from Syracuse. He did a great job rebuilding Rutgers but was always questioned about some of his game day decisions on the field. All and all he pulled Rutgers out of the dark ages and gave the school a competitive a chance week in and week out once he got established there. Flood and the administration associated with him especially that woman AD L'Ville dumped on the school put Rutgers back in the dark Neanderthal Ages.
Given the chance Schiano can be successful at a P5 school or any school again.