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Quarterback Development at ODU
I started to think about this after seeing that TH signed with Houston, and reading another thread about predicting player ability on the field.

Then I started wondering what QBs we have actually "developed" at ODU.
To date, the answer is "only one, David Washington". As a young program, I wouldn't expect many, but I would expect enough development that backups would at least be competent.
Certainly a mitigating factor in all of this has been an under-performing OL since 2013.

Thomas DeMarco was a JUCO.
Taylor Heinicke was sheer luck.
https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...c8877.html

That leaves David Washington as the only bona fide QB we have ever developed, and he is arguably the best pure athlete we have ever had.
Additionally , except for DeMarco, we have had little luck with transfers and/or JUCOs
That we started 2017 FBS with an undersized walk-on is a testament to our problems.
That we felt we needed to pull the redshirt off of an awkward 17 year old is further evidence of this.

Below is the list of roster QBs since 2009

2009
Bobby Cooper
Dan Pitts
Thomas DeMarco

2010
Thomas DeMarco
*Dininique Blackman (RS)

2011
Thomas DeMarco
Nate Ong
Taylor Heinicke (RS)

2012
Nate Ong
Taylor Heinicke

2013
David Washington
Taylor Heinicke
Colin McElroy

2014
Shuler Bentley
Taylor Heinicke
David Washington
Scott Brennan
Colin McElroy

2015
Joey Verheagh
Blake LaRussa
Shuler Bentley
Colin McElroy
Blake LaRussa
*David Washington (WR)

2016
Shuler Bentley
Kody Cunningham
Kevin Sheckells
David Washington
Lweis Brennan
Blake LaRussa
Drayton Arnold

2017
Drayton Arnold
Jordan Hoy
Blake LaERussa
Kevin Sheckells
Steven Williams

*DOMINIQUE BLACKMAN

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So we didn't develop Heinicke because it was sheer luck and we didn't develop DeMarco because he was a JUCO punter? If that is your basis for the argument, is it even worth arguing?

Prior to 2014, we didn't know who was actually developed or not because we only had 2 starters that were very good. WHo knows if the backups were studs, but never good enough to overcome DeMarco or Heinicke?

Some of the other guys are walk on practice players that have transferred or quit football. How would we even know if they were developed or not?
11-30-2017 12:41 PM
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If you think we didn't develop TH, that he was as good when he entered as when he left . . . sheer nonsense. You think he'd come back every summer to work with Whitcomb if he felt he wasn't getting anything out of it? Jesus, come on.
11-30-2017 12:43 PM
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Yeah. This is quite a leap..
11-30-2017 12:45 PM
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Come on guys, he's just throwing out an idea for a discussion. No need to act like he's an idiot just for posing a question.
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RE: Quarterback Development at ODU
(11-30-2017 12:43 PM)jumpshooter Wrote:  If you think we didn't develop TH, that he was as good when he entered as when he left . . . sheer nonsense. You think he'd come back every summer to work with Whitcomb if he felt he wasn't getting anything out of it? Jesus, come on.
There are 19 discrete names on that list. Only two others have developed, TD as an already established JUCO star, and TH who was so extraordinary he would have developed to where he is now anyway, anywhere. That leaves DW

Of course TH developed and got better as he played, as did DeMarco.
My point is that that TH came to ODU was sheer luck though, not necessarily as a result of superior talent assessment by our coaches.
I submit that TH would have developed and gotten better wherever he landed. DW is the only QB that we went out, got as a freshman, and brought his talent to fruition.

Giles; DeMarco was not a punter. He doubled as a punter in high school - oh wait, didn't TH do a lot of punting for ODU? 05-stirthepot
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Passed for 1,792 yards with 14 touchdowns during the 2008 season... also rushed for eight touchdowns...coached by Dean Dowty...

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Two-time All-CIF honoree...As a senior pashed for 2,500 yards with 20 touchdowns...Also rushed for 1350 yards...Named MVP of the team and league...CIF Offensive Player of the Year...During junior campaign passed for 2,300 yards and 20 touchdowns...Ran the ball into the end zone seven times...Also averaged 45 yards per punt...Also participated in three seasons of baseball...
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This thread should be titled QB Development at ODU since TH left. If we never had WR issues then we never would have had to move DW to wr in 2015 and he would have been the QB. I would bet my life that if he was the QB in 2015 we would have gone to a bowl game.

It is concerning that we had to go to a 17 year old freshman this year. Not sure what that says about recruiting or development.
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I don't know how you can say that Heinicke did not develope at ODU. He wasn't even an FBS recruit in high school and now he is in the NFL. And why would you say that DeMarco did not develope because he was a juco? What difference does that make? For its young existence I think ODU has done pretty well with its QB development.
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I think we definitely got lucky with TH ending up at ODU, but there is a reason that he comes back here to train in the off season and will probably continue to do so.
11-30-2017 01:21 PM
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RE: Quarterback Development at ODU
(11-30-2017 01:14 PM)JJMonarch Wrote:  I don't know how you can say that Heinicke did not develope at ODU. He wasn't even an FBS recruit in high school and now he is in the NFL. And why would you say that DeMarco did not develope because he was a juco? What difference does that make? For its young existence I think ODU has done pretty well with its QB development.

I did not say that they did not develop. In fact in the next post I indeed said the they developed You are missing the point.

My point is that early on we got an already established JUCO star (DeMarco) and TH fell in our lap. Our only beginning-to end player was David Washington...out of 19.

I submit that if our recruitment and development were as they should be we would not have started Shuler Bentley when we did, nor would we have started an undersized walk-on and then pulled the RS off a 17 year old.
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