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RE: Quarterback Development at ODU
(11-30-2017 02:29 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I agree. We have not really capitalized on TH or DW's accomplishments. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they come in at the same time? Since they were recruited we don't seem to have signed anyone anywhere near their caliber. Obviously " Wonder" Williams could eventually prove to be comparable, we just don't know yet.

I would argue that SW is certainly a better QB recruit than DW. The dude is a true freshman. I absolutely think he will be every bit as good, and hopefully better than DW by the time he is a senior. DW didn't play QB until he was a 5th year junior, comparing him to 17 year old true freshman SW is silly.
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(11-30-2017 03:46 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 02:29 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  I agree. We have not really capitalized on TH or DW's accomplishments. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they come in at the same time? Since they were recruited we don't seem to have signed anyone anywhere near their caliber. Obviously " Wonder" Williams could eventually prove to be comparable, we just don't know yet.

I would argue that SW is certainly a better QB recruit than DW. The dude is a true freshman. I absolutely think he will be every bit as good, and hopefully better than DW by the time he is a senior. DW didn't play QB until he was a 5th year junior, comparing him to 17 year old true freshman SW is silly.


That would be a strong argument because Williams starting talking to P5 schools while Washington was an FCS recruit. Washington was able to sit and develop slowly so I'm hoping Williams shows the ability to play and develop quickly.
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It's all Deja Vu again!!!
(09-14-2016 10:57 AM)Somebodys Wrote:  I also want to add Whitcomb (1 of 4 coaches from Maine) in 8 season hasn't developed 1 QB yet. When I state developed I mean someone ODU recruited to ride the pine for a few seasons and play the position at QB when we graduate a QB. DeMarco fail in to his arms at the start of 2009 fall practice and TH started half way in his freshman season. Whitcomb has had 8 season to try to develop QBs but hasn't. Whitcombs over used quote with TH "we didnt want to fix anything that wasnt broke but there could be improvements" come on coach develop a backup in the meantime. I just dont understand how he profits off these QB camps but hasnt developed a QB for our program. He is just riding the success of TD and TH who he didnt have to develop.

(09-14-2016 12:02 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 11:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 10:57 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  I also want to add Whitcomb (1 of 4 coaches from Maine) in 8 season hasn't developed 1 QB yet. When I state developed I mean someone ODU recruited to ride the pine for a few seasons and play the position at QB when we graduate a QB. DeMarco fail in to his arms at the start of 2009 fall practice and TH started half way in his freshman season. Whitcomb has had 8 season to try to develop QBs but hasn't. Whitcombs over used quote with TH "we didnt want to fix anything that wasnt broke but there could be improvements" come on coach develop a backup in the meantime. I just dont understand how he profits off these QB camps but hasnt developed a QB for our program. He is just riding the success of TD and TH who he didnt have to develop.


This is absurd. I tried to put it mildly, but cannot come up with anything else.

Thomas DeMarco was a punter that schools had zero interest in playing him at QB except for Div 3 schools. The staff saw him play at College of the Desert and recruited him.

Taylor Heincke came in as a freshman midget weighing 150 pounds that hardly anyone wanted. How did he not develop under our staff? Do you think he was just as good as a freshman (when no one wanted him) as he was when he left (when the NFL wanted him)?

David Washington was a backup FCS QB (behind a star) that moved to WR and is now playing FBS football as a starting QB. How did he not develop? Could he have played as a freshman at the FBS level?

The book has not been written on the other possible QBs on our roster that are either Freshman or Sophomores.

Thomas DeMarco was a QB recruited to ODU. TD was at the College of the Desert passed for 1,792 yards with 14 passing touchdowns also rushed for eight touchdowns. DeMarco was recruited out of high school as a punter but left his D1 school in CA (SDSU) to go the junior college rout to be a QB.

Thomas DeMarco showed up on ODU campus in the summer of 2009 and beat out Cooper, Reamon and one other to be the QB. You call 4 weeks fall practice development?

Whitcomb put stock in to Blackman before he walked out a month before signing TH and Ong

TH was unknown and not expected to play as a freshman. How much time did Whitcomb put in to TH before UMass 2011? They had DeMarco and Ong. Whitcomb has stated he didnt want to change any of TH flaws in fear it would affect his play.

DW has moved positions around so much he hasn't had time to develop as a true QB.

Name a QB who has been developed and seceded at ODU? Most have walked

Development is bring in a guy and learning the system and waiting his turn. Not a player who shows up in fall practice weeks before the start of the season and is already a starter

(09-14-2016 12:58 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 12:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 12:02 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 11:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 10:57 AM)AimHigh Wrote:  I also want to add Whitcomb (1 of 4 coaches from Maine) in 8 season hasn't developed 1 QB yet. When I state developed I mean someone ODU recruited to ride the pine for a few seasons and play the position at QB when we graduate a QB. DeMarco fail in to his arms at the start of 2009 fall practice and TH started half way in his freshman season. Whitcomb has had 8 season to try to develop QBs but hasn't. Whitcombs over used quote with TH "we didnt want to fix anything that wasnt broke but there could be improvements" come on coach develop a backup in the meantime. I just dont understand how he profits off these QB camps but hasnt developed a QB for our program. He is just riding the success of TD and TH who he didnt have to develop.


This is absurd. I tried to put it mildly, but cannot come up with anything else.

Thomas DeMarco was a punter that schools had zero interest in playing him at QB except for Div 3 schools. The staff saw him play at College of the Desert and recruited him.

Taylor Heincke came in as a freshman midget weighing 150 pounds that hardly anyone wanted. How did he not develop under our staff? Do you think he was just as good as a freshman (when no one wanted him) as he was when he left (when the NFL wanted him)?

David Washington was a backup FCS QB (behind a star) that moved to WR and is now playing FBS football as a starting QB. How did he not develop? Could he have played as a freshman at the FBS level?

The book has not been written on the other possible QBs on our roster that are either Freshman or Sophomores.

Thomas DeMarco was a QB recruited to ODU. TD was at the College of the Desert passed for 1,792 yards with 14 passing touchdowns also rushed for eight touchdowns. DeMarco was recruited out of high school as a punter but left his D1 school in CA (SDSU) to go the junior college rout to be a QB.

Thomas DeMarco showed up on ODU campus in the summer of 2009 and beat out Cooper, Reamon and one other to be the QB. You call 4 weeks fall practice development?

Whitcomb put stock in to Blackman before he walked out a month before signing TH and Ong

TH was unknown and not expected to play as a freshman. How much time did Whitcomb put in to TH before UMass 2011? They had DeMarco and Ong. Whitcomb has stated he didnt want to change any of TH flaws in fear it would affect his play.

DW has moved positions around so much he hasn't had time to develop as a true QB.

Name a QB who has been developed and seceded at ODU? Most have walked

Development is bring in a guy and learning the system and waiting his turn. Not a player who shows up in fall practice weeks before the start of the season and is already a starter


Your premise that DeMarco, Washington, and Heinicke didn't develop at ODU is absurd. YOu think those guys were as good when they came in as when they left?

College of the Desert. A 2-year community college. Why are you posting stats from a community college?

Reading some more and trying to make some sense of what you are saying....are you saying QBs don't develop while they are playing games?

Whitcomb has had 8 years to develop a backup to take over once we graduate a starting QBs. He has had upward of 16 or more QBs to mold in 8 seasons. He has done well with two talented QBs to pass through our program but hasn't developed a player to be a future starter. 2008 He had 4 QBs to develop before we started playing. Reamon was a two star recruit (was over hyped maybe) but some FBS schools wanted him. DeMarco shows up on campus 2009 and becomes the starting QBs ahead of the other 4 QBs that Whitcomb had under his development for a year.

Its easy to coach a kid who as talent (TD and TH) but it takes a good coach to develop a player.

Whitcomb, Quarterback Coach 2008 to Present

2008
1.Tommy Reamon
2. Bobby Cooper
3. Dan Pitts
4. Fred Credle

2009
1.Thomas DeMarco
2. Bobby Cooper
3. Dan Pitts
4. Tommy Reamon

2010
1. Thomas DeMarco
2. Dominique Blackman
3. Rashard Manley
4. Tommy Reamon moved to TE

2011
1. Thomas DeMarco
2. Nate Ong
3. Tyler Clark
4. Taylor Heinicke

2012
1. Taylor Heinicke
2. David Washington
3. Colin McElroy

2013
1. Taylor Heinicke
2. Shane McCarley
3. Colin McElroy
5. David Washington

2014
1. Taylor Heinicke
2. Colin McElroy
3. *David Washington QB/WR
4. Shuler Bentley

2015
1. Shuler Bentley
2. Joey Verhaegh
3. Blake LaRussa
4. David Washington * Moved back to QB mid season.

(09-14-2016 02:15 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  
(09-14-2016 01:52 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Again, we don't know if we've ever developed a backup because we haven't needed one. Except Washington, who was developed as a backup and is now a starter.

Rotation of QBs is needed to succeed as a program. Next man up mentality. A suitable replacement every 2 years and sometimes 3 years at the QB position.

My point was from the start. Whitcomb has not developed a player for the future. I agree with everyone he has improved TH and TD but he has not developed backup players and future starters for our program.

If Whitcomb was fired/ quit tomorrow most would agree that he left the cupboards bare for the future.

I think the current players redshirting this season stick we will start the rotation cycle of QBs but by the time we see them take the field it could be to late for this coaching staff.
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The question should be asked why haven't coaches been able to develop a QB for the future of our program? All our QBs have started with little meaningful game experience. Thrown in the fire.
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(11-30-2017 04:14 PM)AimHigh Wrote:  The question should be asked why haven't coaches been able to develop a QB for the future of our program? All our QBs have started with little meaningful game experience. Thrown in the fire.

How else would they start?
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(11-30-2017 03:22 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Do you not know the story?

ODU went to recruit DeMarco because they were scouting the JUCO ranks to find a punter. Demarco said he also played QB but had no offers and wasn't getting any interest from the California FCS schools. Bobby agreed to take him on.

I know the story.

Quote:DeMarco's serendipitous journey to Old Dominion came about because the Monarchs were scouring the California junior college system in order to balance their early recruiting classes.

They needed a punter, which DeMarco was as well, but he informed them that he also played quarterback. Because of his size, he attracted zero attention from Bowl Subdivision programs. California has few FCS programs, which also exhibited little interest.

DeMarco played one year at College of the Desert, which ran a similar offense to ODU's spread, and provided enough proof for Wilder to offer a scholarship. A chance to play quarterback at the Division I level was all that DeMarco asked.

Hed played QB at JUCO, therefore he was a JUCO QB. ODU offered him a scholarship as a QB BEFORE he came on campus, therefore he came to ODU as a scholarship QB.
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-...story.html

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If you throw out the anomalous happenstance that was Taylor Heinike, then we have one JUCO and one bona fide Freshman recruit who have succeeded at QB; both FCS recruits (as was TH), and both better than any FBS recruit to date.

Everyone else has walked away or not made the grade.
JW is too young and green to assess either way yet.
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Ok, but DeMarco was recruited as a punter. He was the one that had to tell them he could play QB as they weren't looking for QBs.

DeMarco for 2+ years.
Heinicke for 4 years
Bentley/Washington for 1 year
Washington for 1 year
Larussa/SW for 1 year

There has been anymore room other than 4+ QB....2015, 2016, and 2017.

Its odd to be going after the one position we have consistently had great play at with 3 FCS recruits and now a FBS recruit that looks promising.

Claiming we have failed because we have 19 QBs on the roster; many either walk on practice players or guys that sat behind good QBs is really strange. Claiming we have only developed DW is even stranger.

Most FBS schools have 4-5 QBs and 1-2 play per year. They must all suck at developing QBs using that logic.
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We're about to find out if this staff can develop a QB. Williams has the tools. Assuming that he can get out of bed early enough, a decent staff could turn him into a star.
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(11-30-2017 05:26 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  We're about to find out if this staff can develop a QB. Williams has the tools. Assuming that he can get out of bed early enough, a decent staff could turn him into a star.

It's my hope that there is no competition for the quarterback position next spring. I would like the coaching staff to concentrate 100% on Williams development. Specifically on being able to read defenses and to quickly and accurately process information. He has all the physical tools to be a great one. It's what's between the ears that I worry about.
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(11-30-2017 06:06 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(11-30-2017 05:26 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  We're about to find out if this staff can develop a QB. Williams has the tools. Assuming that he can get out of bed early enough, a decent staff could turn him into a star.

It's my hope that there is no competition for the quarterback position next spring. I would like the coaching staff to concentrate 100% on Williams development. Specifically on being able to read defenses and to quickly and accurately process information. He has all the physical tools to be a great one. It's what's between the ears that I worry about.

That would be iideal.

However, if our newest QB recruit can come in and beat Williams out for the job, so be it.
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