(11-30-2017 01:34 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:13 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:00 AM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  We beat the dog crap outta eastern and fell from 24th RPI to like 48th. I expected it, but it has me wondering...

How do these blue bloods get away with playing an entire OOC schedule of cupcakes at home, and only playing on the road during conference play, still finish their OOC slate so high on the RPI?

Take U.K. for example. They lost to Kansas, and beat a ton of garbage teams at home. They are still top 5 RPI. I seriously do not understand it. I know it’s computerized so it’s not biased, but could someone explain how the heck that works?


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A lot of it has to do with winning all of your games. There are only two undefeated teams outside the top-100: Georgetown (153) and Cincinnati (101). Similarly, there are only 6 1-loss teams outside of the top-150. Winning is a big component. There are only three teams in the top-30 with strength of schedules in the triple digits, and all of them are undefeated.

Another aspect is obviously the SOS. Kentucky has also played and beaten Vermont, who will likely end up a top-50 RPI team. The only two teams UK has played outside the top 150 are Fort Wayne (184) and Illinois Chicago (256). Their SOS because of that is 14th in the country. Texas Southern has played the most difficult schedule in the country (Gonzaga, Washington State, Ohio State, Syracuse, Kansas, and Clemson) all on the road but are winless (and therefore are barely in the top-100). They still have games at Oregon, Baylor, TCU, etc., coming up and are playing their first 13 games on the road.

Where you play the game matters, as well. The Kansas loss was on a neutral court, so it wasn't magnified like a home loss would've been. Some of the "P5" (god I hate that term) know that they can play easier OOC schedules because they will have plenty of opportunities in conference (in the ACC you have to play Duke, Virginia, Miami, UNC-CHeat, Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame, etc.) and so you have the luxury of playing a bunch of people at home and gaining wins to pad your record (even flipping some wins that would be losses on the road, because why should you go on the road?). This is more egregious in football, where "P5" teams get to play all of their OOC games at home (I think Alabama has played like two OOC games away from home in something like the last decade), because they know they really won't be penalized for it with ESPiN in their pockets.

Thanks for the great response. Looks like our Missouri State loss will haunt us all season.

I think Missouri State ends the year in the Top 100 of the RPI (with a chance to finish in the Top 50 if they get their act together). It won't be a "quality loss", but we shouldn't be too penalized for it either.

(11-30-2017 01:34 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:13 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:00 AM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  We beat the dog crap outta eastern and fell from 24th RPI to like 48th. I expected it, but it has me wondering...

How do these blue bloods get away with playing an entire OOC schedule of cupcakes at home, and only playing on the road during conference play, still finish their OOC slate so high on the RPI?

Take U.K. for example. They lost to Kansas, and beat a ton of garbage teams at home. They are still top 5 RPI. I seriously do not understand it. I know it’s computerized so it’s not biased, but could someone explain how the heck that works?


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A lot of it has to do with winning all of your games. There are only two undefeated teams outside the top-100: Georgetown (153) and Cincinnati (101). Similarly, there are only 6 1-loss teams outside of the top-150. Winning is a big component. There are only three teams in the top-30 with strength of schedules in the triple digits, and all of them are undefeated.

Another aspect is obviously the SOS. Kentucky has also played and beaten Vermont, who will likely end up a top-50 RPI team. The only two teams UK has played outside the top 150 are Fort Wayne (184) and Illinois Chicago (256). Their SOS because of that is 14th in the country. Texas Southern has played the most difficult schedule in the country (Gonzaga, Washington State, Ohio State, Syracuse, Kansas, and Clemson) all on the road but are winless (and therefore are barely in the top-100). They still have games at Oregon, Baylor, TCU, etc., coming up and are playing their first 13 games on the road.

Where you play the game matters, as well. The Kansas loss was on a neutral court, so it wasn't magnified like a home loss would've been. Some of the "P5" (god I hate that term) know that they can play easier OOC schedules because they will have plenty of opportunities in conference (in the ACC you have to play Duke, Virginia, Miami, UNC-CHeat, Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame, etc.) and so you have the luxury of playing a bunch of people at home and gaining wins to pad your record (even flipping some wins that would be losses on the road, because why should you go on the road?). This is more egregious in football, where "P5" teams get to play all of their OOC games at home (I think Alabama has played like two OOC games away from home in something like the last decade), because they know they really won't be penalized for it with ESPiN in their pockets.

Thanks for the great response. Looks like our Missouri State loss will haunt us all season.

It shouldn't, but that was all the tool Doug Gotlieb wanted to talk about last night...Pretty much said we only can lose 1 or 2 more games to get an at large bid because of our "bad loss" to Missouri St. NO doubt he is probably right but criminally how this system is set up against us from the start...

(11-30-2017 04:22 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 01:34 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:13 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:00 AM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  We beat the dog crap outta eastern and fell from 24th RPI to like 48th. I expected it, but it has me wondering...

How do these blue bloods get away with playing an entire OOC schedule of cupcakes at home, and only playing on the road during conference play, still finish their OOC slate so high on the RPI?

Take U.K. for example. They lost to Kansas, and beat a ton of garbage teams at home. They are still top 5 RPI. I seriously do not understand it. I know it’s computerized so it’s not biased, but could someone explain how the heck that works?


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A lot of it has to do with winning all of your games. There are only two undefeated teams outside the top-100: Georgetown (153) and Cincinnati (101). Similarly, there are only 6 1-loss teams outside of the top-150. Winning is a big component. There are only three teams in the top-30 with strength of schedules in the triple digits, and all of them are undefeated.

Another aspect is obviously the SOS. Kentucky has also played and beaten Vermont, who will likely end up a top-50 RPI team. The only two teams UK has played outside the top 150 are Fort Wayne (184) and Illinois Chicago (256). Their SOS because of that is 14th in the country. Texas Southern has played the most difficult schedule in the country (Gonzaga, Washington State, Ohio State, Syracuse, Kansas, and Clemson) all on the road but are winless (and therefore are barely in the top-100). They still have games at Oregon, Baylor, TCU, etc., coming up and are playing their first 13 games on the road.

Where you play the game matters, as well. The Kansas loss was on a neutral court, so it wasn't magnified like a home loss would've been. Some of the "P5" (god I hate that term) know that they can play easier OOC schedules because they will have plenty of opportunities in conference (in the ACC you have to play Duke, Virginia, Miami, UNC-CHeat, Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame, etc.) and so you have the luxury of playing a bunch of people at home and gaining wins to pad your record (even flipping some wins that would be losses on the road, because why should you go on the road?). This is more egregious in football, where "P5" teams get to play all of their OOC games at home (I think Alabama has played like two OOC games away from home in something like the last decade), because they know they really won't be penalized for it with ESPiN in their pockets.

Thanks for the great response. Looks like our Missouri State loss will haunt us all season.

It shouldn't, but that was all the tool Doug Gotlieb wanted to talk about last night...Pretty much said we only can lose 1 or 2 more games to get an at large bid because of our "bad loss" to Missouri St. NO doubt he is probably right but criminally how this system is set up against us from the start...

Mississippi State is undefeated, and I believe has outperformed most people's expectations, thus far. They may not be a tournament team, but I don't think that loss is going to end up hurting that bad at the end of the year, if you put yourself in position.

FYI, just because I had some time to look and it still pisses me off how much people ignore this, Alabama football has played the following since the 2010-2011 season:

6 neutral OOC games
1 away OOC games (Penn State 2011)
21 home OOC games

I bet we'd all have vastly improved records, if we could schedule like that.

EDIT: My bad, Missouri State is projected to finish in the top-85 of the RPI as of now, so an even stronger team than what I stated above.

(12-01-2017 10:28 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 04:22 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 01:34 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:13 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:00 AM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  We beat the dog crap outta eastern and fell from 24th RPI to like 48th. I expected it, but it has me wondering...

How do these blue bloods get away with playing an entire OOC schedule of cupcakes at home, and only playing on the road during conference play, still finish their OOC slate so high on the RPI?

Take U.K. for example. They lost to Kansas, and beat a ton of garbage teams at home. They are still top 5 RPI. I seriously do not understand it. I know it’s computerized so it’s not biased, but could someone explain how the heck that works?


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A lot of it has to do with winning all of your games. There are only two undefeated teams outside the top-100: Georgetown (153) and Cincinnati (101). Similarly, there are only 6 1-loss teams outside of the top-150. Winning is a big component. There are only three teams in the top-30 with strength of schedules in the triple digits, and all of them are undefeated.

Another aspect is obviously the SOS. Kentucky has also played and beaten Vermont, who will likely end up a top-50 RPI team. The only two teams UK has played outside the top 150 are Fort Wayne (184) and Illinois Chicago (256). Their SOS because of that is 14th in the country. Texas Southern has played the most difficult schedule in the country (Gonzaga, Washington State, Ohio State, Syracuse, Kansas, and Clemson) all on the road but are winless (and therefore are barely in the top-100). They still have games at Oregon, Baylor, TCU, etc., coming up and are playing their first 13 games on the road.

Where you play the game matters, as well. The Kansas loss was on a neutral court, so it wasn't magnified like a home loss would've been. Some of the "P5" (god I hate that term) know that they can play easier OOC schedules because they will have plenty of opportunities in conference (in the ACC you have to play Duke, Virginia, Miami, UNC-CHeat, Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame, etc.) and so you have the luxury of playing a bunch of people at home and gaining wins to pad your record (even flipping some wins that would be losses on the road, because why should you go on the road?). This is more egregious in football, where "P5" teams get to play all of their OOC games at home (I think Alabama has played like two OOC games away from home in something like the last decade), because they know they really won't be penalized for it with ESPiN in their pockets.

Thanks for the great response. Looks like our Missouri State loss will haunt us all season.

It shouldn't, but that was all the tool Doug Gotlieb wanted to talk about last night...Pretty much said we only can lose 1 or 2 more games to get an at large bid because of our "bad loss" to Missouri St. NO doubt he is probably right but criminally how this system is set up against us from the start...

Mississippi State is undefeated, and I believe has outperformed most people's expectations, thus far. They may not be a tournament team, but I don't think that loss is going to end up hurting that bad at the end of the year, if you put yourself in position.

FYI, just because I had some time to look and it still pisses me off how much people ignore this, Alabama football has played the following since the 2010-2011 season:

6 neutral OOC games
1 away OOC games (Penn State 2011)
21 home OOC games

I bet we'd all have vastly improved records, if we could schedule like that.

Missouri St., but yes they are favored to win MVC. In a rematch I think we win against them.....However we can only lose 1 non conf. game while POwer conference teams can finish .500 and have 11 non conf. home games and make it..Nothing new but still infuriates me....

(12-01-2017 10:47 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(12-01-2017 10:28 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 04:22 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 01:34 PM)SigNuTopper Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:13 AM)TribeNiner Wrote:  A lot of it has to do with winning all of your games. There are only two undefeated teams outside the top-100: Georgetown (153) and Cincinnati (101). Similarly, there are only 6 1-loss teams outside of the top-150. Winning is a big component. There are only three teams in the top-30 with strength of schedules in the triple digits, and all of them are undefeated.

Another aspect is obviously the SOS. Kentucky has also played and beaten Vermont, who will likely end up a top-50 RPI team. The only two teams UK has played outside the top 150 are Fort Wayne (184) and Illinois Chicago (256). Their SOS because of that is 14th in the country. Texas Southern has played the most difficult schedule in the country (Gonzaga, Washington State, Ohio State, Syracuse, Kansas, and Clemson) all on the road but are winless (and therefore are barely in the top-100). They still have games at Oregon, Baylor, TCU, etc., coming up and are playing their first 13 games on the road.

Where you play the game matters, as well. The Kansas loss was on a neutral court, so it wasn't magnified like a home loss would've been. Some of the "P5" (god I hate that term) know that they can play easier OOC schedules because they will have plenty of opportunities in conference (in the ACC you have to play Duke, Virginia, Miami, UNC-CHeat, Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame, etc.) and so you have the luxury of playing a bunch of people at home and gaining wins to pad your record (even flipping some wins that would be losses on the road, because why should you go on the road?). This is more egregious in football, where "P5" teams get to play all of their OOC games at home (I think Alabama has played like two OOC games away from home in something like the last decade), because they know they really won't be penalized for it with ESPiN in their pockets.

Thanks for the great response. Looks like our Missouri State loss will haunt us all season.

It shouldn't, but that was all the tool Doug Gotlieb wanted to talk about last night...Pretty much said we only can lose 1 or 2 more games to get an at large bid because of our "bad loss" to Missouri St. NO doubt he is probably right but criminally how this system is set up against us from the start...

Mississippi State is undefeated, and I believe has outperformed most people's expectations, thus far. They may not be a tournament team, but I don't think that loss is going to end up hurting that bad at the end of the year, if you put yourself in position.

FYI, just because I had some time to look and it still pisses me off how much people ignore this, Alabama football has played the following since the 2010-2011 season:

6 neutral OOC games
1 away OOC games (Penn State 2011)
21 home OOC games

I bet we'd all have vastly improved records, if we could schedule like that.

Missouri St., but yes they are favored to win MVC. In a rematch I think we win against them.....However we can only lose 1 non conf. game while POwer conference teams can finish .500 and have 11 non conf. home games and make it..Nothing new but still infuriates me....

Thanks, my bad. Yeah, Missouri State is projected to finish in the top 85 of the RPI, right now, so even stronger.