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(11-29-2017 02:20 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 01:05 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  You heard it here first. The Academy of Art, a for profit university in California is rumored to be courting a move up and wanting a WAC membership. The WAC is probably so desperate they will be considered I imagine. They are part of the Pacific West Conference which is turning into a feeder conference for the WAC (GCU & Cal Baptist from the same conference). The university is in San Francisco so that would be cool to see my Aggies and visit a great city.

wrote this in the "Big West rejects UC San Diego" thread:

in addition to apu...maybe the wac can invite more CA schools from the CA Collegiate Athletic Assoc.
San Francisco St.
Cal Poly-Pomona
Cal State-Los Angeles
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Pacific West Conference
Academy of Art University

this would make the wac into a western based conference with a focus on CA...

like SDHornet said...let's see how Humboldt State football situation plays out...

Clarity trolled the post with this response:
Cal State LA would draw 3 people as would San Francisco State. Those are already huge overstated markets. Nobody would care. Academy of the Arts is a joke suggestion hopefully.

my response to troll Clarity:
with the subtraction of CSUB in 2020...add to list of potential members
Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference
Colorado Mesa
Metro State Denver

these potential wac d2 call ups takes into account travel pairs...
azusa pacific --> cal baptist --> cal state-los angeles
san francisco state --> academy of art university
cal poly-pomona --> cal state-los angeles
colorado mesa --> metro state denver
western washington --> central washington --> western oregon
perhaps inviting d2 schools as travel partners would ease any travel concerns of potential wac members...

*side note*
*academy of art university could rebrand as CA academy of the arts or CA academy of the arts-san francisco to emphasis in CA roots...
*metropolitan state university of denver could follow through with it's renaming as denver state university if it goes to the wac...metro state denver should not be concerned about what denver university thinks...they're not even in the wac anymore...denver state has a nice sound and feel to it...

#ByeClarity
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Colorado Mesa is really hard to get to. I have always thought Metro State would be a great add. I am also at the point that it AofA wants in, let them.
11-29-2017 02:06 PM
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(11-29-2017 02:06 PM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  Colorado Mesa is really hard to get to. I have always thought Metro State would be a great add. I am also at the point that it AofA wants in, let them.

there is precedence for the wac to letting in for-profit schools as part of their membership...gcu is the prime example...aoa can follow gcu as an example...but not sure if aoa has the same type of resources as that gcu has...
11-29-2017 02:39 PM
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(11-29-2017 01:05 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  You heard it here first. The Academy of Art, a for profit university in California is rumored to be courting a move up and wanting a WAC membership. The WAC is probably so desperate they will be considered I imagine. They are part of the Pacific West Conference which is turning into a feeder conference for the WAC (GCU & Cal Baptist from the same conference). The university is in San Francisco so that would be cool to see my Aggies and visit a great city.

I’m with you and several others— if they’re interested then let’s let them in. Unless there are other programs expressing their desire to join the WAC that we’re unaware of — which is very possible— then the conference can’t be too particular. Not to knock CSU, but that was the case with the Cougars. I know it’s not ideal for but it’s conference survival.

San Francisco meets the “footprint” of major cities. A quick look of their athletic programs and it appears they have everything as Bakersfield except S&D. Plus, I like the name of the school.. Academy of Art Urban Knights.
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(11-29-2017 07:34 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 01:05 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  You heard it here first. The Academy of Art, a for profit university in California is rumored to be courting a move up and wanting a WAC membership. The WAC is probably so desperate they will be considered I imagine. They are part of the Pacific West Conference which is turning into a feeder conference for the WAC (GCU & Cal Baptist from the same conference). The university is in San Francisco so that would be cool to see my Aggies and visit a great city.

I’m with you and several others— if they’re interested then let’s let them in. Unless there are other programs expressing their desire to join the WAC that we’re unaware of — which is very possible— then the conference can’t be too particular. Not to knock CSU, but that was the case with the Cougars. I know it’s not ideal for but it’s conference survival.

San Francisco meets the “footprint” of major cities. A quick look of their athletic programs and it appears they have everything as Bakersfield except S&D. Plus, I like the name of the school.. Academy of Art Urban Knights.
Sounds like a sketchy group to me...
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Maybe they could rename themselves “California A&M” (with A&M being something like “Arts & Media”)
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Where's the rumors at? Article? Who do you know that says this is true?
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Dancing boy is desperate here - perhaps he was spending time in the Castro and saw one of their signs. Nothing happening. He is combo trolling for response and pissed off the WAC is such a motley collection, so why not?

You guys should really look up the financials and make up of the school. A lot of interesting stuff about how they are trying to raise money to pay off more than $22m in City of San Francisco fines. They still have to purchase some housing for seniors, which is not done -- it's something like a tax evasion settlement.

If it weren't for Chicago State their graduation rate would be considered below WAC standards. Their recent expansion has been online where they have a 6% graduation rate (in 6 years), just below the 7% in 4 years for regular students. But I digress.

There is not a NMSU fan who doesn't want the Aggies in the SBC or MWC and yesterday. It's desperation time. JP Grove's put it best "at the moment there are still 8 schools in the WAC in 2020." But how many here expect that to be the case when the WAC tournament finishes in March when rumor season hots up. Kansas City and Grand Canyon are the two to watch, they could be gone by summer.
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I completely understand the panic, but adding AASF would not be the wisest choice. The school has many things that make it less than an ideal member.

-There is no central campus. It is spread throughout the city and surrounding communities, and broken up by concentration.

-While the city is large and in one of the major media markets, there is little interest in NCAA sports. Stanford (25-30 mins down 101/280) and Cal (few miles across the bridge) get sparse attention, and local USF gets some alumni attention, but almost no general public attention. The NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL and MLS get 99% of the viewing eyes. Plus, there are countless alternative activities to sports that take away interest.

-The school, deserved or not, is seen as a diploma mill by many in the Bay Area and abroad. I know GCU faced a lot of the same backlash, buT I believe many would be far more critical of their for-profit status and past practices.

-Much like the campus, the school’s athletic facilities are all over the city and far from campus.

The remaining members should be trying to ensure their long term futures are secure, but I see AASF as a short term stop gap that would cause issues in the long run. IF the WAC wants to be around in the future, becoming a springboard to DI status will hurt it, now t help. Personally, I see the remaining school frantically attempting to secure membership elsewhere, and putting the WAC’s future in jeopardy.
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(11-30-2017 01:06 AM)SJHornet Wrote:  I completely understand the panic, but adding AASF would not be the wisest choice. The school has many things that make it less than an ideal member.

-There is no central campus. It is spread throughout the city and surrounding communities, and broken up by concentration.

-While the city is large and in one of the major media markets, there is little interest in NCAA sports. Stanford (25-30 mins down 101/280) and Cal (few miles across the bridge) get sparse attention, and local USF gets some alumni attention, but almost no general public attention. The NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL and MLS get 99% of the viewing eyes. Plus, there are countless alternative activities to sports that take away interest.

-The school, deserved or not, is seen as a diploma mill by many in the Bay Area and abroad. I know GCU faced a lot of the same backlash, buT I believe many would be far more critical of their for-profit status and past practices.

-Much like the campus, the school’s athletic facilities are all over the city and far from campus.

The remaining members should be trying to ensure their long term futures are secure, but I see AASF as a short term stop gap that would cause issues in the long run. IF the WAC wants to be around in the future, becoming a springboard to DI status will hurt it, now t help. Personally, I see the remaining school frantically attempting to secure membership elsewhere, and putting the WAC’s future in jeopardy.

Well, again, it's the WAC, everyone wants to leave, that's been the case since ASU and UofA were in the league.

NMSU may at some point get invited to the sunbelt. Or they may fold fbs football, although that will be a tough sell if their program keeps improving. Or there may be some unforseen realignment that affords them an opportunity. Regardless, I think they will be leaving at some point in the next five years.

Maybe UMKC can leave. I don't know if the summit would want them back or not. I would think not because I don't understand the appeal of large one bid leagues, but apparently conferences like to add schools for the sake of adding schools because the bsc and bwc keep doing just that. So who knows.

I don't think a stable league will add GCU as long as they are for profit.

I don't see any suitors for UVU.

Seattle is a desirable add with no good conference fit.

I don't know about UTPA, I'd have to look into that. Is there a lower tier league dominated by Texas public schools that might be compelled to admit a member of the UT system?

Chicago State situation not looking good.

Cal Baptist is a legit add.

The WAC has plenty of time to work with. CSB isn't leaving till 2020, and there are temporary waiver periods too. The only way the WAC folds is if they lose a few more at once, and it just collapses like the SWC did. But that happened fast and there was major college football involved, so it was a little different.
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