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RE: Why isn't NMSU taking Idaho's place?
(11-28-2017 12:43 AM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  Both NMSU and Idaho were not extended invitations to continue in the SBC. The claim was travel distance which was especially strenuous for games at Idaho. The SBC also decided not to keep us when the NCAA ruled that a conference needs only 10 football teams to have a conference championship.

Depending on how this current season finishes out, and with our future schedules, we may be re invited to the SBC. There are some universities that wanted us to stay and we very well could move over there for full membership if the WAC continues to implode.

No one will blame NMSU if that happens and they have to do what's in their best interest. But I would be a little disappointed because I see you as a western school at your core. I can't picture Troy, Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina or Georgia Southern as your rivals. NMSU's ideal conference is probably the 90s Big West with a Texas State or USA tossed in.
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RE: Why isn't NMSU taking Idaho's place?
(11-28-2017 04:48 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 12:43 AM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  Both NMSU and Idaho were not extended invitations to continue in the SBC. The claim was travel distance which was especially strenuous for games at Idaho. The SBC also decided not to keep us when the NCAA ruled that a conference needs only 10 football teams to have a conference championship.

Depending on how this current season finishes out, and with our future schedules, we may be re invited to the SBC. There are some universities that wanted us to stay and we very well could move over there for full membership if the WAC continues to implode.

No one will blame NMSU if that happens and they have to do what's in their best interest. But I would be a little disappointed because I see you as a western school at your core. I can't picture Troy, Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina or Georgia Southern as your rivals. NMSU's ideal conference is probably the 90s Big West with a Texas State or USA tossed in.

Its entirely possible that you just named four of the schools that might have voted to block NMSU. USA might have been opposed too if that meant they'd be in the East division (USA strongly prefers staying West). Georgia State might have been another. I think the vote was 7-5 or 6-6 on NMSU's admission. Flip 2 of them, and you might have the numbers.

The problem for NMSU right now is that unless they're paired with JMU, or some school looking to defect from CUSA East to the Belt (unlikely), there's no one there that can provide a benefit to the Eastern schools in return for adding NMSU. Missouri State doesn't do it. Jacksonville State isn't getting a bid so long as Troy, USA, and Georgia State are in the league, there's no team in Florida that is that is capable of being considered in the medium term, and EKU just isn't going to be that much of a draw either. The FBS independent in the footprint is a complete and total non-starter for the league (I see 2 votes for admission for them - max).

Basically, the way NMSU gets in.....the Western schools, who largely (and some of them STRONGLY) want NMSU in the league hold up the application of JMU until they cave in on NMSU's application. Some of the Western schools are actually somewhat irritated (I wouldn't say pissed, but irritated) about NMSU's non-extension and would be very willing to return the favor as a way of getting what they want.
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11-28-2017 07:39 PM
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RE: Why isn't NMSU taking Idaho's place?
(11-28-2017 07:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 04:48 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 12:43 AM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  Both NMSU and Idaho were not extended invitations to continue in the SBC. The claim was travel distance which was especially strenuous for games at Idaho. The SBC also decided not to keep us when the NCAA ruled that a conference needs only 10 football teams to have a conference championship.

Depending on how this current season finishes out, and with our future schedules, we may be re invited to the SBC. There are some universities that wanted us to stay and we very well could move over there for full membership if the WAC continues to implode.

No one will blame NMSU if that happens and they have to do what's in their best interest. But I would be a little disappointed because I see you as a western school at your core. I can't picture Troy, Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina or Georgia Southern as your rivals. NMSU's ideal conference is probably the 90s Big West with a Texas State or USA tossed in.

Its entirely possible that you just named four of the schools that might have voted to block NMSU. USA might have been opposed too if that meant they'd be in the East division (USA strongly prefers staying West). Georgia State might have been another. I think the vote was 7-5 or 6-6 on NMSU's admission. Flip 2 of them, and you might have the numbers.

The problem for NMSU right now is that unless they're paired with JMU, or some school looking to defect from CUSA East to the Belt (unlikely), there's no one there that can provide a benefit to the Eastern schools in return for adding NMSU. Missouri State doesn't do it. Jacksonville State isn't getting a bid so long as Troy, USA, and Georgia State are in the league, there's no team in Florida that is that is capable of being considered in the medium term, and EKU just isn't going to be that much of a draw either. The FBS independent in the footprint is a complete and total non-starter for the league (I see 2 votes for admission for them - max).

Basically, the way NMSU gets in.....the Western schools, who largely (and some of them STRONGLY) want NMSU in the league hold up the application of JMU until they cave in on NMSU's application. Some of the Western schools are actually somewhat irritated (I wouldn't say pissed, but irritated) about NMSU's non-extension and would be very willing to return the favor as a way of getting what they want.

The only Eastern SB school that may be willing to vote us in might be GaSo. This is probably the case because we have a home and home scheduled with them in the upcoming seasons. Other than that I don't know of any Eastern school that gives a rats ass about us. That being said UALR is currently doing a study about football. If they do pick it up, we could very well see NMSU reinvited to the Sun Belt.
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RE: Why isn't NMSU taking Idaho's place?
(11-28-2017 09:54 PM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 07:39 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 04:48 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 12:43 AM)NeptunianEmp Wrote:  Both NMSU and Idaho were not extended invitations to continue in the SBC. The claim was travel distance which was especially strenuous for games at Idaho. The SBC also decided not to keep us when the NCAA ruled that a conference needs only 10 football teams to have a conference championship.

Depending on how this current season finishes out, and with our future schedules, we may be re invited to the SBC. There are some universities that wanted us to stay and we very well could move over there for full membership if the WAC continues to implode.

No one will blame NMSU if that happens and they have to do what's in their best interest. But I would be a little disappointed because I see you as a western school at your core. I can't picture Troy, Appalachian State, Coastal Carolina or Georgia Southern as your rivals. NMSU's ideal conference is probably the 90s Big West with a Texas State or USA tossed in.

Its entirely possible that you just named four of the schools that might have voted to block NMSU. USA might have been opposed too if that meant they'd be in the East division (USA strongly prefers staying West). Georgia State might have been another. I think the vote was 7-5 or 6-6 on NMSU's admission. Flip 2 of them, and you might have the numbers.

The problem for NMSU right now is that unless they're paired with JMU, or some school looking to defect from CUSA East to the Belt (unlikely), there's no one there that can provide a benefit to the Eastern schools in return for adding NMSU. Missouri State doesn't do it. Jacksonville State isn't getting a bid so long as Troy, USA, and Georgia State are in the league, there's no team in Florida that is that is capable of being considered in the medium term, and EKU just isn't going to be that much of a draw either. The FBS independent in the footprint is a complete and total non-starter for the league (I see 2 votes for admission for them - max).

Basically, the way NMSU gets in.....the Western schools, who largely (and some of them STRONGLY) want NMSU in the league hold up the application of JMU until they cave in on NMSU's application. Some of the Western schools are actually somewhat irritated (I wouldn't say pissed, but irritated) about NMSU's non-extension and would be very willing to return the favor as a way of getting what they want.

The only Eastern SB school that may be willing to vote us in might be GaSo. This is probably the case because we have a home and home scheduled with them in the upcoming seasons. Other than that I don't know of any Eastern school that gives a rats ass about us. That being said UALR is currently doing a study about football. If they do pick it up, we could very well see NMSU reinvited to the Sun Belt.

Is UALR now doing a study? I knew UTA was considering reviving its football program at some point but I don't know how that would really help NMSU as they would be a western team? Which means the SBC would more than likely add another eastern team as a counter balance.

In order for NMSU to draw conference interest in the future, NMSU football needs to NOT suck and NMSU basketball would need to draw much more national recognition as a giant killer. AND, Aggie attendance has to reflect being a successful program.
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RE: Why isn't NMSU taking Idaho's place?
UALR is not really, the city of Little Rock is pushing for it. UALR is not going to add football, lack the resources. It really was designed to push Arkansas to host games at War Memorial. This is a big deal for business to have an SEC game there. Arkansas no longer host two games a year there, as they get greater revenue at their home stadium. Little Rock used to get an full blown SEC game plus some FCS warm up. Recently just FCS games, so the study got started. (That SEC game is huge for tourist revenue when fans came in for Tennessee, LSU or Ole' Miss)

And it seems to have worked a bit:

http://www.fbschedules.com/2017/11/arkan...rock-2018/
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RE: Why isn't NMSU taking Idaho's place?
1) the UALR study is probably not going anywhere other than a desk shelf.
2) if UTA started football, it would remove the biggest complaint that Texas State has, which is a lack of close football rivals
3) if UALR or UTA stated football, you'd see USA oppose any western additions as they don't want to be in the SBC East
4) It could also cause problems for Arkansas State. They heavily recruit Alabama, and if another Western school gained admission as a football team, Arkansas State would be locked out of Alabama in conference play.

UALR (or UTA) starting football makes the Sun Belt situation even more complicated for NMSU. You could see USA and Arkansas State arguing for an 11 team league with USA in the West so that they'd be where they wanted to be. And it wouldn't remove the objections of the schools that want to shift the conference East from still being opposed.

In other words, UALR or UTA adding football doesn't do much to cause the schools opposed to you guys to change their minds, and provides a strong incentive for two of the schools that did (one probably, the other confirmed) support you to change from pro-NMSU to against NMSU. Both USA and Ark State are very influential in the league.

Also of note, I think that both UALR and UTA voted for you guys (Just speculation on my part). And they already have a vote. So either team adding football would not provide you with an additional vote for admission.

NMSU needs an eastern team to join (and not Liberty). EKU doesn't have the votes (and probably wouldn't be enough of a draw for the Eastern teams). LU is a non-starter. Jax State is too close to three of the teams. That leaves JMU as pretty much the only team out there who could make it work....

Unless the NCAA demands that a CCG be dependent upon having 12 teams. In that case, its possible that the Big XII raid on the AAC filters down to CUSA/MWC and that opens up a slot in the MWC for you guys. Plus the Belt would take you guys if they needed a team.

BTW, JMU has really f-ed a bunch of programs. Their refusal to jump to the MAC helped force UMass out of the conference and into FBS Independent purgatory. Their refusal to join the Belt probably is why you guys are in FBS purgatory as well. But they'd rather have a home schedule filled with Elon and the Blue Hose of Presbyterian than make the move. And they have a FBS budget in FCS.
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RE: Why isn't NMSU taking Idaho's place?
Location, location, location.

That is NMSU's primary problem. Everything else is a great fit, but we are just too far west for several of the Sun Belt schools.

To TomInLazybrook's point - maybe someday JMU will change their mind and could provide a great eastern counterbalance to NMSU.

I'm not holding my breath though.
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RE: Why isn't NMSU taking Idaho's place?
They're taking our place as a bowl team from the Sun Belt. Congrats, Aggies!
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RE: Why isn't NMSU taking Idaho's place?
December 29th, that is awesome for a G5 school. A lot of extra practice time. A lot of G5 get those December 16 games, just under two weeks and during finals.
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