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RE: Players missing bowl games for NFL draft
(11-28-2017 05:08 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  While I realize the chance of injury involved, they are still quitting on their teams. That said, I remember McGahee destroying his knee in his last game. 04-cheers

That was a BCS Championship game, FWIW...
11-29-2017 10:45 AM
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(11-29-2017 02:26 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Coaches, players, and even boosters would all disagree with you IMO. Any game that is not a playoff game might be insignificant to you, but very valuable to the aforementioned people. Sometimes bowls pair up old rivals who hadn't played each other in years for whatever reason, and a bowl game can re-ignite the competitive juices again.

You can't say the first two, since coaches will bolt on their teams for new digs ahead of the games, and, obviously, we're having this conversation about kids sitting out. Now, to boosters, fans, and even the universities (you get the national spots you don't normally get), there's some value. But...who's down on the field? Just the first two?

Yeah, these games will matter to the players, but not all of them. It depends on what's at stake. But, if you think the majority of teams are composed of selfless, team-first guys...I'm not willing to take that bet.

I know these games have the potential of being good. Unfortunately, with the bowl tie-in's, that's not as sure a thing as it once was. We're stuck with a lot of crap around the holidays...a lot of background noise at bars, parties, and family functions. It isn't what it used to be, when, I agree, these games mattered.
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RE: Players missing bowl games for NFL draft
(11-29-2017 11:36 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 02:26 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Coaches, players, and even boosters would all disagree with you IMO. Any game that is not a playoff game might be insignificant to you, but very valuable to the aforementioned people. Sometimes bowls pair up old rivals who hadn't played each other in years for whatever reason, and a bowl game can re-ignite the competitive juices again.

You can't say the first two, since coaches will bolt on their teams for new digs ahead of the games, and, obviously, we're having this conversation about kids sitting out. Now, to boosters, fans, and even the universities (you get the national spots you don't normally get), there's some value. But...who's down on the field? Just the first two?

Yeah, these games will matter to the players, but not all of them. It depends on what's at stake. But, if you think the majority of teams are composed of selfless, team-first guys...I'm not willing to take that bet.

I know these games have the potential of being good. Unfortunately, with the bowl tie-in's, that's not as sure a thing as it once was. We're stuck with a lot of crap around the holidays...a lot of background noise at bars, parties, and family functions. It isn't what it used to be, when, I agree, these games mattered.

I don't think it's the tie-ins that make for bad games. It's just the number of games. Cut it back to 20 or fewer and you won't have the problem. But obviously, that ship has sailed.
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(11-30-2017 09:37 AM)ken d Wrote:  I don't think it's the tie-ins that make for bad games. It's just the number of games. Cut it back to 20 or fewer and you won't have the problem. But obviously, that ship has sailed.

I think the two are one in the same. With so many, and how fastidious they can be with pecking order, you lose/lost choice. So, yeah, you might have some very intriguing match-up potential...biggest names and better bowls find each other...little is considered for what fans might want.

When I used to care about Penn State, pro Big Ten people used to say the bowls would be the place where some of the rivalries would be recouped. Well, BCS changed that, and for a good span of time, it was like Penn State only saw SEC teams. For those of us missing Pitt, WVU, Syracuse, BC, Miami, the SA's...too bad, because the Big Ten didn't really have the agreements with bowls to allow that to happen; then further insulted with how these arrangements allowed for "new" and "exciting" possibilities. Oh well.
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The schools and coaches treat this totally as a business, so should the players.

For those who say the players should all play in bowl games, Jaylon Smith says hello.
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(11-28-2017 08:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  I understand the logic behind sure-fire NFL draft picks not playing a second-tier bowl game, and to a degree I agree with them (I'd be more offended about "quitting on the team" if head coaches didn't routinely leave their teams in their rearview mirrors before a bowl because they got better jobs).

That said, two hypotheticals:

1. How would you feel about a top draft pick walking away from a 1-7 team to preserve their draft status? (I know the chances of that happening aren't high — if the player's that good, chances are they're better than 1-7, but work with me here)
2. How would you feel about an NFL player coming up on his free-agent season not playing for his team once they're eliminated from playoff contention? (understanding that players show up with "injuries" that end their season, but I mean someone actually saying "I'm not endangering my health to play out the string for a team I won't be on next season.")

I'd say..."Its just business." (See your bolded text).
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RE: Players missing bowl games for NFL draft
yeah if I was a lineman(either offensive or defensive)- and I was a 1st round pick- there's no chance in hell that I'd play in a non playoff bowl game(yes, to include NY6). Same with being a RB.
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(11-29-2017 11:36 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I know these games have the potential of being good. Unfortunately, with the bowl tie-in's, that's not as sure a thing as it once was. We're stuck with a lot of crap around the holidays...a lot of background noise at bars, parties, and family functions. It isn't what it used to be, when, I agree, these games mattered.

"What it used to be" before every bowl had contracts with two conferences, was about a third as many bowls as there are now, and almost no bowl appearances for teams outside the power conferences.

Here's the entire bowl lineup from 40 years ago, the 1977 season. 13 bowls. Only 6 contracted bowl places (Pac-8 and Big Ten in Rose, SWC in Cotton, Big 8 in Orange, SEC in Sugar, WAC in Fiesta).

Cotton Bowl: Notre Dame 38, Texas 10
Orange Bowl: Arkansas 31, Oklahoma 6
Rose Bowl: Washington 27, Michigan 20
Sugar Bowl: Alabama 35, Ohio State 6
Bluebonnet Bowl: Southern California 47, Texas A&M 28
Peach Bowl: North Carolina State 24, Iowa State 14
Sun Bowl: Stanford 24, Louisiana State 14
Gator Bowl: Pittsburgh 34, Clemson 3
Fiesta Bowl: Penn State 42, Arizona State 30
Tangerine Bowl: Florida State 40, Texas Tech 17
Hall of Fame Classic: Maryland 17, Minnesota 7
Liberty Bowl: Nebraska 21, North Carolina 17
Independence Bowl: Louisiana Tech 24, Louisville 14
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(11-28-2017 04:33 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I don't think it will become as common as many people are predicting. For the most part guys wants to go out and play with their teammates.

Rahrah collegiate spirit... oops, sorry about the the bad luck but at least you have your degree to fall back on...

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(11-30-2017 12:59 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(11-29-2017 11:36 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I know these games have the potential of being good. Unfortunately, with the bowl tie-in's, that's not as sure a thing as it once was. We're stuck with a lot of crap around the holidays...a lot of background noise at bars, parties, and family functions. It isn't what it used to be, when, I agree, these games mattered.

"What it used to be" before every bowl had contracts with two conferences, was about a third as many bowls as there are now, and almost no bowl appearances for teams outside the power conferences.

Here's the entire bowl lineup from 40 years ago, the 1977 season. 13 bowls. Only 6 contracted bowl places (Pac-8 and Big Ten in Rose, SWC in Cotton, Big 8 in Orange, SEC in Sugar, WAC in Fiesta).

Cotton Bowl: Notre Dame 38, Texas 10
Orange Bowl: Arkansas 31, Oklahoma 6
Rose Bowl: Washington 27, Michigan 20
Sugar Bowl: Alabama 35, Ohio State 6
Bluebonnet Bowl: Southern California 47, Texas A&M 28
Peach Bowl: North Carolina State 24, Iowa State 14
Sun Bowl: Stanford 24, Louisiana State 14
Gator Bowl: Pittsburgh 34, Clemson 3
Fiesta Bowl: Penn State 42, Arizona State 30
Tangerine Bowl: Florida State 40, Texas Tech 17
Hall of Fame Classic: Maryland 17, Minnesota 7
Liberty Bowl: Nebraska 21, North Carolina 17
Independence Bowl: Louisiana Tech 24, Louisville 14

I'll never understand why people want to go back to this (not saying you are). Why do people that our football fans complain about watching football? If you think there are too many bowl games, don't watch or don't go. The ratings prove people watch.
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