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RE: Players missing bowl games for NFL draft
I understand the logic behind sure-fire NFL draft picks not playing a second-tier bowl game, and to a degree I agree with them (I'd be more offended about "quitting on the team" if head coaches didn't routinely leave their teams in their rearview mirrors before a bowl because they got better jobs).

That said, two hypotheticals:

1. How would you feel about a top draft pick walking away from a 1-7 team to preserve their draft status? (I know the chances of that happening aren't high — if the player's that good, chances are they're better than 1-7, but work with me here)
2. How would you feel about an NFL player coming up on his free-agent season not playing for his team once they're eliminated from playoff contention? (understanding that players show up with "injuries" that end their season, but I mean someone actually saying "I'm not endangering my health to play out the string for a team I won't be on next season.")
11-28-2017 08:43 PM
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RE: Players missing bowl games for NFL draft
(11-28-2017 09:21 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 06:51 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Good for them. They should be thinking of what is best for them. Everyone else does.

This, If you are a guaranteed lock top 15 pick, I wouldn't play.

I wouldn't play if I was guaranteed to be in the top 75. A third round pick might not make millions. But they do make 3 or 4 hundred thousand.
11-28-2017 08:47 PM
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RE: Players missing bowl games for NFL draft
(11-28-2017 04:56 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 04:33 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I don't think it will become as common as many people are predicting. For the most part guys wants to go out and play with their teammates.

I'd split the difference and say it becomes more like NFL preseason games 1 or 4...guys go in for a series or two and that's it. That's what I think is more likely to happen this year with top talent, more than guys just not playing at all, though, I think this year will see an increase in that to last year.

You could very well be correct
11-28-2017 09:34 PM
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RE: Players missing bowl games for NFL draft
(11-28-2017 08:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  I understand the logic behind sure-fire NFL draft picks not playing a second-tier bowl game ...

Or a first-tier bowl game. 07-coffee3
11-28-2017 09:38 PM
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RE: Players missing bowl games for NFL draft
(11-28-2017 05:48 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 06:51 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Good for them. They should be thinking of what is best for them. Everyone else does.

Agreed. Every game not in the playoffs after the season is irrelevant and needless. The risk is wholly assumed by the players, who don't make a dime. And if they get hurt, stand to lose quite a bit of change from their future employers.

I agree...this stiffing of the bowls by pro-bound players only gets bigger and more common until kids get paid or the playoff expands.

I'm looking at two or three guys at Penn State right now who don't have much to play for at that school who are about to get taken care of quite well in the pros. I really hope Saquon sits it out (I still think he already checked out after the Ohio State game)...it's the kind of player on the right kind of team (just on the outside of the playoff, forcing the real conversation about how useless the next-best bowls are) to force a badly needed, if not overdue discussion and accountability check. And I would be extremely impressed if the coach urged him to do so and publicly supported and broadcasted that.

Coaches, players, and even boosters would all disagree with you IMO. Any game that is not a playoff game might be insignificant to you, but very valuable to the aforementioned people. Sometimes bowls pair up old rivals who hadn't played each other in years for whatever reason, and a bowl game can re-ignite the competitive juices again.
11-29-2017 02:26 AM
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RE: Players missing bowl games for NFL draft
(11-28-2017 08:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  (understanding that players show up with "injuries" that end their season, but I mean someone actually saying "I'm not endangering my health to play out the string for a team I won't be on next season.")

Pro athletes can't say that because they are getting paid and can't say "I'm sitting out to avoid injury" or else their team will just stop paying them and might even try to claw back salary already paid. Although there are instances of pro teams holding an uninjured player out because they want to be able to trade him while healthy, or because the team is tanking to get better draft choices.
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RE: Players missing bowl games for NFL draft
(11-28-2017 09:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 08:43 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  I understand the logic behind sure-fire NFL draft picks not playing a second-tier bowl game ...

Or a first-tier bowl game. 07-coffee3

After Jaylen Smith and Jake Butt...if it is not a CFP Game why risk millions to play in a meaningless exhibition game...heck Leonard Fournette sat out of the Citrus Bowl last year and still went Top 5 along with it is pretty much an open secret that Jabrill Peppers sat out of the Orange Bowl as well...could have played...The NFL understands...07-coffee3
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RE: Players missing bowl games for NFL draft
(11-28-2017 09:34 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 04:56 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 04:33 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  I don't think it will become as common as many people are predicting. For the most part guys wants to go out and play with their teammates.

I'd split the difference and say it becomes more like NFL preseason games 1 or 4...guys go in for a series or two and that's it. That's what I think is more likely to happen this year with top talent, more than guys just not playing at all, though, I think this year will see an increase in that to last year.

You could very well be correct

That is what I think is going to happen with QB Lamar Jackson...he will play maybe a quarter and then they will play QB Jawon Pass...he needs to reps for next season and many now have Jackson as a sure first high 1st Rounder.
11-29-2017 04:00 AM
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(11-28-2017 08:26 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  If a player is a top 10 first round pick, I understand sitting out. Otherwise, the bowl could help move the player up in the draft. One example, Chubb at NCSU will be a first round pick. I don't think he is in the top 10 yet so a bowl could help him but I would understand completely if sits out the NCSU bowl game.

Do you think pro scouts are so clueless that they would be more impressed by a player's performance in a single exhibition game than by his performance over his whole career? And if a player is going to use such a game as a personal audition for scouts, instead of just performing within the context of the team, is that really good for the school in the long run?

Where Chubb goes in the draft will depend much more on the needs of the teams doing the drafting than by how he might perform in a December bowl game.
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RE: Players missing bowl games for NFL draft
(11-29-2017 08:26 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 08:26 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  If a player is a top 10 first round pick, I understand sitting out. Otherwise, the bowl could help move the player up in the draft. One example, Chubb at NCSU will be a first round pick. I don't think he is in the top 10 yet so a bowl could help him but I would understand completely if sits out the NCSU bowl game.

Do you think pro scouts are so clueless that they would be more impressed by a player's performance in a single exhibition game than by his performance over his whole career? And if a player is going to use such a game as a personal audition for scouts, instead of just performing within the context of the team, is that really good for the school in the long run?

Where Chubb goes in the draft will depend much more on the needs of the teams doing the drafting than by how he might perform in a December bowl game.

or even moreso what he does in either the combine or his pro days.
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