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RE: Bobby Wilder & Co Coaching by the numbers (since 2014)
Cool, appreciate your analysis.
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RE: Bobby Wilder & Co Coaching by the numbers (since 2014)
(11-27-2017 01:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 01:13 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Two plays really stand out to me. The screen out to the side lin which always results in a 2 yard loss and the run up the middle that is telegraphed. Don't know about anything else, but when Scott keeps calling those two, over and over, something's wrong. Maybe it's play calling, I don't know.

Do you mean the run pass option (RPO), which is the inside zone read to RB, QB keeps if the DE crashes, and has option to run or throw the screen or slant?
No I mean the play where the wide receiver just stands at or near the los waiting for a quick pass from the QB. Our receivers don't seem to block, it takes to long to develop and unlike us, the D backs are at the los, ready to make the tackle the second we throw the ball.
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(11-27-2017 03:10 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 01:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 01:13 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Two plays really stand out to me. The screen out to the side lin which always results in a 2 yard loss and the run up the middle that is telegraphed. Don't know about anything else, but when Scott keeps calling those two, over and over, something's wrong. Maybe it's play calling, I don't know.

Do you mean the run pass option (RPO), which is the inside zone read to RB, QB keeps if the DE crashes, and has option to run or throw the screen or slant?
No I mean the play where the wide receiver just stands at or near the los waiting for a quick pass from the QB. Our receivers don't seem to block, it takes to long to develop and unlike us, the D backs are at the los, ready to make the tackle the second we throw the ball.

Its typically an option based on what the QB reads.
11-27-2017 03:11 PM
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RE: Bobby Wilder & Co Coaching by the numbers (since 2014)
Whatever it is called, it does not work and needs to go away.
11-27-2017 03:14 PM
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(11-27-2017 03:14 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Whatever it is called, it does not work and needs to go away.

Ok. Send to Bwilder10wins@odu.edu.
11-27-2017 03:16 PM
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(11-27-2017 03:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 03:14 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Whatever it is called, it does not work and needs to go away.

Ok. Send to Bwilder10wins@odu.edu.

I am not sure what that email address means but our so-called screen passes often take too long to develop. Indeed we used to run a bubble screen (receiver coming back toward the QB) a lot but that often (usually) didn't work because the OL didn't clear out well.

What we are often calling a screen is not a screen at all but just a pass at or behind the line to a WR. There is no blocking "screen" so it is really just a pass that depends on the open field running ability of the WR. This usually doesn't work well for us.
Sometimes this is likely a check down, but most often seems like the play is the design primary.

The straight up inside handoff from the shotgun usually does take too long to develop as well.
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11-28-2017 07:52 AM
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RE: Bobby Wilder & Co Coaching by the numbers (since 2014)
(11-28-2017 07:52 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 03:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 03:14 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Whatever it is called, it does not work and needs to go away.

Ok. Send to Bwilder10wins@odu.edu.

I am not sure what that email address means but our so-called screen passes often take too long to develop. Indeed we used to run a bubble screen (receiver coming back toward the QB) a lot but that often (usually) didn't work because the OL didn't clear out well.

What we are often calling a screen is not a screen at all but just a pass at or behind the line to a WR. There is no blocking "screen" so it is really just a pass that depends on the open field running ability of the WR. This usually doesn't work well for us.
Sometimes this is likely a check down, but most often seems like the play is the design primary.

The straight up inside handoff from the shotgun usually does take too long to develop as well.
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That's an accurate observation in my book. In fact I was frustrated watching the MTSU game and mentioned those very two plays to my wife as being plays that ODU has run many times without a great amount of success. I view the pass out to the sideline a yard or two behind the line of scrimmage as nothing more than a safe pass to make where they hope the receiver can somehow get by his man and gain some positive yardage. As you stated, it usually goes for a minimal gain if any at all.

Another thing they do far too often that drives me crazy ... when they have 3rd down and something like 6 yards to go (for example), they throw the pass short of the first down marker, and we usually follow that by sending in the punt team (again). For Pete's sake send the receiver at or beyond the first down marker for the pass, not 2 or 3 yards short of it. That's just crazy.
11-28-2017 09:08 AM
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RE: Bobby Wilder & Co Coaching by the numbers (since 2014)
(11-28-2017 09:08 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(11-28-2017 07:52 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 03:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 03:14 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Whatever it is called, it does not work and needs to go away.

Ok. Send to Bwilder10wins@odu.edu.

I am not sure what that email address means but our so-called screen passes often take too long to develop. Indeed we used to run a bubble screen (receiver coming back toward the QB) a lot but that often (usually) didn't work because the OL didn't clear out well.

What we are often calling a screen is not a screen at all but just a pass at or behind the line to a WR. There is no blocking "screen" so it is really just a pass that depends on the open field running ability of the WR. This usually doesn't work well for us.
Sometimes this is likely a check down, but most often seems like the play is the design primary.

The straight up inside handoff from the shotgun usually does take too long to develop as well.
07-coffee3

That's an accurate observation in my book. In fact I was frustrated watching the MTSU game and mentioned those very two plays to my wife as being plays that ODU has run many times without a great amount of success. I view the pass out to the sideline a yard or two behind the line of scrimmage as nothing more than a safe pass to make where they hope the receiver can somehow get by his man and gain some positive yardage. As you stated, it usually goes for a minimal gain if any at all.

Another thing they do far too often that drives me crazy ... when they have 3rd down and something like 6 yards to go (for example), they throw the pass short of the first down marker, and we usually follow that by sending in the punt team (again). For Pete's sake send the receiver at or beyond the first down marker for the pass, not 2 or 3 yards short of it. That's just crazy.


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11-28-2017 11:33 AM
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RE: Bobby Wilder & Co Coaching by the numbers (since 2014)
Unless your team has superior size, strength, and talent over the opposing team's defense, offensive play calling is a matter of "opposites".
You pass to the flat to open up the deep sideline pattern.
You pass short over the middle to open the deep post pattern.
You run up the middle to set up the run to the outside.
You run to set up the pass.
Etc, etc, etc. And vice versa on all of the above.

The key here is to use the entire field. And targeting all parts of the field must be done in the first 3 or 4 possessions.
The idea is to create 50/50 thinking with every defender.
Incompletions to certain parts of the field in the 1st quarter can reap benefits the remainder of the game.
I just don't see us doing this enough. I don't see the middle being used enough in the passing game. Especially deep, to keep the safeties from crowding the box and killing the run game.
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RE: Bobby Wilder & Co Coaching by the numbers (since 2014)
(11-27-2017 01:13 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Two plays really stand out to me. The screen out to the side lin which always results in a 2 yard loss and the run up the middle that is telegraphed. Don't know about anything else, but when Scott keeps calling those two, over and over, something's wrong. Maybe it's play calling, I don't know.
Here's a third:

Shotgun formation on 4th and one. Drives me nuts. Wilder said the QB can see the field better to make a decision on where to go with the ball, I say you've just put yourself in a 4th and 5.

JMHO
11-28-2017 01:22 PM
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