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RE: Bobby Wilder & Co Coaching by the numbers (since 2014)
I think they're slowly building recruiting. If you just go by 247 there is a clear divide in quality recruiting from the top 4. From #5 (us) on down there is a clear drop off.

OR 247 just doesn't monitor the rest of the conference.
11-27-2017 11:56 AM
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Bobby Wilder & Co Coaching by the numbers (since 2014)
I haven't been in the camp that says we need to fire everyone, but I think I am coming around on changing the DC, and getting closer on OC, but not ready to pull the trigger yet.

DC - I think we need an aggressive, man first, DC that can take advantage of the type of athletes we have in our back yard. 757 produces great defensive athletes and Tech has made a name out of using their talents to get after their opponents. I don't think any program that recruits heavily in this area should be playing a soft, bend but don't break defense.

OC - This one is harder because, by and large, we have had pretty good offensive numbers aside from this year. We also get destroyed by better teams, and I think that shows a lack of imagination in our offensive game plans. The eye test also says that our offense lacks any complexity.

I wonder if the results we see may be due to the fact that our coaches are good at teaching and developing players, especially QBs, but bad at scheming, creativity and play calling. Maybe that explains why overall our offensive numbers are good because our players are better than most teams, but in big games our offense is awful because our players are worse and our scheme is terrible.

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RE: Bobby Wilder & Co Coaching by the numbers (since 2014)
That seems logical Monarchblue.

I'm kind of in your camp. Warming up to the idea on the OC. Maybe it's just someone new and the OC is better suited at development of players. But bring in someone that is better at play calling.
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RE: Bobby Wilder & Co Coaching by the numbers (since 2014)
(11-27-2017 12:47 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  That seems logical Monarchblue.

I'm kind of in your camp. Warming up to the idea on the OC. Maybe it's just someone new and the OC is better suited at development of players. But bring in someone that is better at play calling.

I can see a case for Nagy and the defensive backs coach.

In the case of Scott, you put him in a difficult position (depending on how much you believe he contributed to it) and then fire him when he doesn't produce? He was left with no QB, half of his star RB, without his RT, and without his star WR. What are reasonable expectations at that point?

Ignoring the records in FCS, they put up:

2014- 32.7 points per game
2015- 24.2 points per game (improved after a terrible start)
2016- 35.1 points per game
2017- 20.7 points per game

Obviously, the offense was not where we all would like it to be, but our offense has carried the team in its entire existence. I don't agree with firing a coach that has performed pretty much all but 1 year (2015 was on and off) when there are tons of reasons for the offense not performing well this year.

The argument about scheme/play complexity is really ignorant. We probably change the offense more game to game that anyone I can remember seeing in our conference. They end up adding different wrinkles every week (which has to be tough with a freshman QB, this year). Some of the different wrinkles added or expanded on include pistol (MTSU), the bunch tight set, putting various WRs in the backfield, etc.

Playcalling gets blamed for inconsistent play from a true freshman QB. We would be really dumb to get rid of Scott. Nagy, I can't argue with that one.
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RE: Bobby Wilder & Co Coaching by the numbers (since 2014)
Two plays really stand out to me. The screen out to the side lin which always results in a 2 yard loss and the run up the middle that is telegraphed. Don't know about anything else, but when Scott keeps calling those two, over and over, something's wrong. Maybe it's play calling, I don't know.
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One thing that everyone on the boards keep forgetting is that ODU pays its coaches towards the bottom half of the conference. If we want better coaches, we are going to have to pay for it. Where does that money come from? We will need to buyout the current coaches, offer better compensation to the new coaches, and still be able to move forward with the stadium. Not going to happen in this current climate of government restrictions.
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Where does the money come from? We know where it comes from. The question is where does it go. Our revenue is certainly not bottom half of cusa, so why do we pay like it is?
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(11-27-2017 01:00 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 12:47 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  That seems logical Monarchblue.

I'm kind of in your camp. Warming up to the idea on the OC. Maybe it's just someone new and the OC is better suited at development of players. But bring in someone that is better at play calling.

I can see a case for Nagy and the defensive backs coach.

In the case of Scott, you put him in a difficult position (depending on how much you believe he contributed to it) and then fire him when he doesn't produce? He was left with no QB, half of his star RB, without his RT, and without his star WR. What are reasonable expectations at that point?

Ignoring the records in FCS, they put up:

2014- 32.7 points per game
2015- 24.2 points per game (improved after a terrible start)
2016- 35.1 points per game
2017- 20.7 points per game

Obviously, the offense was not where we all would like it to be, but our offense has carried the team in its entire existence. I don't agree with firing a coach that has performed pretty much all but 1 year (2015 was on and off) when there are tons of reasons for the offense not performing well this year.

The argument about scheme/play complexity is really ignorant. We probably change the offense more game to game that anyone I can remember seeing in our conference. They end up adding different wrinkles every week (which has to be tough with a freshman QB, this year). Some of the different wrinkles added or expanded on include pistol (MTSU), the bunch tight set, putting various WRs in the backfield, etc.

Playcalling gets blamed for inconsistent play from a true freshman QB. We would be really dumb to get rid of Scott. Nagy, I can't argue with that one.

It must be ignorance from my perspective. I'm trying to look for stuff. I didn't play football. I didn't really start watching it until we got it at ODU. So every year I'm learning more and more so I don't notice or see those subtle changes. But from my ignorant position I see what looks like creative looks and designed plays from the top 3 or 4 teams we play each season that I just don't see from us. So I'll gladly stand corrected and you are absolutely correct we do put up numbers against the bottom 75% of our conference. That top 25% alludes us still and I think that's what folks are trying identify and see what it takes.
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(11-27-2017 01:13 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Two plays really stand out to me. The screen out to the side lin which always results in a 2 yard loss and the run up the middle that is telegraphed. Don't know about anything else, but when Scott keeps calling those two, over and over, something's wrong. Maybe it's play calling, I don't know.

Do you mean the run pass option (RPO), which is the inside zone read to RB, QB keeps if the DE crashes, and has option to run or throw the screen or slant?
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(11-27-2017 01:43 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 01:00 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(11-27-2017 12:47 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  That seems logical Monarchblue.

I'm kind of in your camp. Warming up to the idea on the OC. Maybe it's just someone new and the OC is better suited at development of players. But bring in someone that is better at play calling.

I can see a case for Nagy and the defensive backs coach.

In the case of Scott, you put him in a difficult position (depending on how much you believe he contributed to it) and then fire him when he doesn't produce? He was left with no QB, half of his star RB, without his RT, and without his star WR. What are reasonable expectations at that point?

Ignoring the records in FCS, they put up:

2014- 32.7 points per game
2015- 24.2 points per game (improved after a terrible start)
2016- 35.1 points per game
2017- 20.7 points per game

Obviously, the offense was not where we all would like it to be, but our offense has carried the team in its entire existence. I don't agree with firing a coach that has performed pretty much all but 1 year (2015 was on and off) when there are tons of reasons for the offense not performing well this year.

The argument about scheme/play complexity is really ignorant. We probably change the offense more game to game that anyone I can remember seeing in our conference. They end up adding different wrinkles every week (which has to be tough with a freshman QB, this year). Some of the different wrinkles added or expanded on include pistol (MTSU), the bunch tight set, putting various WRs in the backfield, etc.

Playcalling gets blamed for inconsistent play from a true freshman QB. We would be really dumb to get rid of Scott. Nagy, I can't argue with that one.

It must be ignorance from my perspective. I'm trying to look for stuff. I didn't play football. I didn't really start watching it until we got it at ODU. So every year I'm learning more and more so I don't notice or see those subtle changes. But from my ignorant position I see what looks like creative looks and designed plays from the top 3 or 4 teams we play each season that I just don't see from us. So I'll gladly stand corrected and you are absolutely correct we do put up numbers against the bottom 75% of our conference. That top 25% alludes us still and I think that's what folks are trying identify and see what it takes.

The best (in)conference teams we played were FAU (28 points), Marshall (3), North Texas (38), WKY (31), FIU (30), and MTSU (10). MTSU was probably the best defense followed by FAU and then Marshall.

The biggest issue this year was finishing drives/scoring in red zone or just outside of red zone. MTSU is hard to judge, we moved the ball a bit, but it was an embarrassing passing attack when Larussa came into the game, he just couldn't do a thing.

The offense will be fine next year, IMO. I bet they are well secure in the top quarter of CUSA. The defense was decent at time this year, but we are going to need more from them.
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