(11-26-2017 08:43 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:44 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:15 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  AAC programs deserve better rankings... Here's what I think should be

8. UCF
14. Memphis
18. USF

I agree with your UCF and Memphis ranks. I would even say Memphis should be around 10.

But you cannot be serious about USF. Their best win was against Temple who is 6-6. Their second best win is against Tulane who is 5-7. USF should not be ranked. Their best "win" was the loss against UCF, which was an incredible game, and a great performance.

I think you dislike the fact that 3 AAC programs have been chosen as the best 25 in the country more than anything else.

"I know you are but what am I."

You just said the internet fan board version of that same statement. Care to counter the stats and evidence I provided?

Plus, USF won't be ranked in the CFP Poll, so why would I be perturbed, even using your logic?

AAC teams can easily make the playoff just have to schedule better. Obviously will never make the playoff scheduling Maryland GT FIU and Austin Peay OOC or UCLA ULM southern Illinois and Georgia State. Have to beat the best if you want to be the best. Go undefeated with a schedule like Houston’s last year and you’re in

(11-26-2017 10:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The only poll that matters is the CFP one. The next most important is the massey composite which at least the best at trying to be impartial. If you like the AP poll, that only becomes relevant again after bowl games are played. Ending in the top25 is a nice feat.

IMO there are 3 schools better than USF that are non AAC G5's.

Massey composite has
9 UCF
17 Memphis
29 Boise State
30 Toledo
32 SDSU
33 USF
37 FAU
39 Fresno State

USF may be the 3rd best G5 but there is a huge lack of evidence to support that claim. Going 1-2 against Bowl teams means as much as winning the Sun Belt...."whod ya play?".

Boise state is 5-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Toledo is 4-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.
SDSU is 3-2 against bowl teams.
FAU is 7-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Fresno State is 3-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.

There is a big difference between an 11 and 0 bowl team,such as UCF, versus a 6 and 6 bowl team. Using your logic FAU is a better team than Miss. St. because they are only 4 and 4 versus bowl teams.

Thats why they are still behind USF in the computer poll. Playing 3 bowl teams is still weak no matter how you draw it up.

(11-26-2017 10:48 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The only poll that matters is the CFP one. The next most important is the massey composite which at least the best at trying to be impartial. If you like the AP poll, that only becomes relevant again after bowl games are played. Ending in the top25 is a nice feat.

IMO there are 3 schools better than USF that are non AAC G5's.

Massey composite has
9 UCF
17 Memphis
29 Boise State
30 Toledo
32 SDSU
33 USF
37 FAU
39 Fresno State

USF may be the 3rd best G5 but there is a huge lack of evidence to support that claim. Going 1-2 against Bowl teams means as much as winning the Sun Belt...."whod ya play?".

Boise state is 5-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Toledo is 4-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.
SDSU is 3-2 against bowl teams.
FAU is 7-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Fresno State is 3-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.

There is a big difference between an 11 and 0 bowl team,such as UCF, versus a 6 and 6 bowl team. Using your logic FAU is a better team than Miss. St. because they are only 4 and 4 versus bowl teams.

Thats why they are still behind USF in the computer poll. Playing 3 bowl teams is still weak no matter how you draw it up.

BYU won a NC with a very weak 12 and 0 record, beating a 6 and 6 "bowl" team (Michigan). Notice the quotes around the word bowl. Air Force, at 8 and 4, was the second best team in the WAC that year. They didn't go through murders row, yet finished undefeated and won the NC.

Nice deflection, as usual, on changing your argument BTW! I used your suggest of bowls with Miss. St. being a weak 4 and 4 and you ignored it. Typical liberal nonsense.

(11-26-2017 11:01 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:48 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The only poll that matters is the CFP one. The next most important is the massey composite which at least the best at trying to be impartial. If you like the AP poll, that only becomes relevant again after bowl games are played. Ending in the top25 is a nice feat.

IMO there are 3 schools better than USF that are non AAC G5's.

Massey composite has
9 UCF
17 Memphis
29 Boise State
30 Toledo
32 SDSU
33 USF
37 FAU
39 Fresno State

USF may be the 3rd best G5 but there is a huge lack of evidence to support that claim. Going 1-2 against Bowl teams means as much as winning the Sun Belt...."whod ya play?".

Boise state is 5-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Toledo is 4-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.
SDSU is 3-2 against bowl teams.
FAU is 7-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Fresno State is 3-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.

There is a big difference between an 11 and 0 bowl team,such as UCF, versus a 6 and 6 bowl team. Using your logic FAU is a better team than Miss. St. because they are only 4 and 4 versus bowl teams.

Thats why they are still behind USF in the computer poll. Playing 3 bowl teams is still weak no matter how you draw it up.

BYU won a NC with a very weak 12 and 0 record, beating a 6 and 6 "bowl" team (Michigan). Notice the quotes around the word bowl. Air Force, at 8 and 4, was the second best team in the WAC that year. They didn't go through murders row, yet finished undefeated and won the NC.

Nice deflection, as usual, on changing your argument BTW! I used your suggest of bowls with Miss. St. being a weak 4 and 4 and you ignored it. Typical liberal nonsense.

Whoopty do. You can find evidence for any scenario in football. 30 point underdogs have upset teams.

All I am saying is... If USF is 3rd best G5, there is little evidence to support that over teams with similar records and SOS' that prove they can compete with some better teams. A la... SDSU vs. Stanford. Fresno State vs. SDSU and Boise State. Even wins over a slew of 7 and 8 winners shows you are at least as good as teams who also win more than lose.

You cant play all 3 and 4 and 5 win teams then lose to the only 7 win team on the schedule. The UCF loss is forgiven obviously. I think USF is good, but I give the nod to a few others for best in the G5.

Memphis and UCF??? Hands down the best 2 and would be favored by 10 or more vs. All G5's.

You do realize the game has changed A LOT since 1984, right? The rules are 100% different and the power is no longer in the hands of the NCAA or even the press (polls) but rather the P5 cartel.

Deflection? FAU is still behind USF so obviously polls know most of those bowl team wins are weak. But id rather play 10 bowl teams than 3...and claim my team is the best based on pure eye test. You have to watch all other contenders if thats your argument... Ur not watching Fresno, SDSU and Toledo.

(11-26-2017 11:09 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:01 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:48 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The only poll that matters is the CFP one. The next most important is the massey composite which at least the best at trying to be impartial. If you like the AP poll, that only becomes relevant again after bowl games are played. Ending in the top25 is a nice feat.

IMO there are 3 schools better than USF that are non AAC G5's.

Massey composite has
9 UCF
17 Memphis
29 Boise State
30 Toledo
32 SDSU
33 USF
37 FAU
39 Fresno State

USF may be the 3rd best G5 but there is a huge lack of evidence to support that claim. Going 1-2 against Bowl teams means as much as winning the Sun Belt...."whod ya play?".

Boise state is 5-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Toledo is 4-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.
SDSU is 3-2 against bowl teams.
FAU is 7-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Fresno State is 3-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.

There is a big difference between an 11 and 0 bowl team,such as UCF, versus a 6 and 6 bowl team. Using your logic FAU is a better team than Miss. St. because they are only 4 and 4 versus bowl teams.

Thats why they are still behind USF in the computer poll. Playing 3 bowl teams is still weak no matter how you draw it up.

BYU won a NC with a very weak 12 and 0 record, beating a 6 and 6 "bowl" team (Michigan). Notice the quotes around the word bowl. Air Force, at 8 and 4, was the second best team in the WAC that year. They didn't go through murders row, yet finished undefeated and won the NC.

Nice deflection, as usual, on changing your argument BTW! I used your suggest of bowls with Miss. St. being a weak 4 and 4 and you ignored it. Typical liberal nonsense.

Whoopty do. You can find evidence for any scenario in football. 30 point underdogs have upset teams.

All I am saying is... If USF is 3rd best G5, there is little evidence to support that over teams with similar records and SOS' that prove they can compete with some better teams. A la... SDSU vs. Stanford. Fresno State vs. SDSU and Boise State. Even wins over a slew of 7 and 8 winners shows you are at least as good as teams who also win more than lose.

You cant play all 3 and 4 and 5 win teams then lose to the only 7 win team on the schedule. The UCF loss is forgiven obviously. I think USF is good, but I give the nod to a few others for best in the G5.

Memphis and UCF??? Hands down the best 2 and would be favored by 10 or more vs. All G5's.

So Memphis and UCF would be favored by 10, but USF who played even with UCF AT UCF and also by the way almost put up almost 700 yards on UCF wouldn’t and is worse than other G4s. Great logic. Did you even watch the UCF USF game.

USF would have boat raced Toledo, SDSU, and any other G4 last Friday.

(11-27-2017 12:09 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:09 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:01 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:48 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  There is a big difference between an 11 and 0 bowl team,such as UCF, versus a 6 and 6 bowl team. Using your logic FAU is a better team than Miss. St. because they are only 4 and 4 versus bowl teams.

Thats why they are still behind USF in the computer poll. Playing 3 bowl teams is still weak no matter how you draw it up.

BYU won a NC with a very weak 12 and 0 record, beating a 6 and 6 "bowl" team (Michigan). Notice the quotes around the word bowl. Air Force, at 8 and 4, was the second best team in the WAC that year. They didn't go through murders row, yet finished undefeated and won the NC.

Nice deflection, as usual, on changing your argument BTW! I used your suggest of bowls with Miss. St. being a weak 4 and 4 and you ignored it. Typical liberal nonsense.

Whoopty do. You can find evidence for any scenario in football. 30 point underdogs have upset teams.

All I am saying is... If USF is 3rd best G5, there is little evidence to support that over teams with similar records and SOS' that prove they can compete with some better teams. A la... SDSU vs. Stanford. Fresno State vs. SDSU and Boise State. Even wins over a slew of 7 and 8 winners shows you are at least as good as teams who also win more than lose.

You cant play all 3 and 4 and 5 win teams then lose to the only 7 win team on the schedule. The UCF loss is forgiven obviously. I think USF is good, but I give the nod to a few others for best in the G5.

Memphis and UCF??? Hands down the best 2 and would be favored by 10 or more vs. All G5's.

So Memphis and UCF would be favored by 10, but USF who played even with UCF AT UCF and also by the way almost put up almost 700 yards on UCF wouldn’t and is worse than other G4s. Great logic. Did you even watch the UCF USF game.

USF would have boat raced Toledo, SDSU, and any other G4 last Friday.

Favored by 10 and playing a game to 7 points is very similar. Im not saying there is a huge margin between USF and TOLEDO or SDSU or Boise State... Its a fricking 3 team spread in the computer poll. Its close. Those other schools get my vote as slightly better than USF based on resume tho. AS IN USF vs any of those other schools is a pickem or 1 or 2 point dog to them.

Id rank
UCF
Memphis

SDSU
TOLEDO
USF
Fresno State
Boise State

FAU
Troy
Houston
CMU

Then i dont really care for the point of this argument.

One person believes AAC doesnt have all top3 because they have played THREE TOP 100 GAMES and ur bent out of shape??? Come on. USF is good but one close loss is not a fair argument vs. Teams who have proven good wins.

That argument blind resume is rediculous.

(11-26-2017 09:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 08:43 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:44 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:15 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  AAC programs deserve better rankings... Here's what I think should be

8. UCF
14. Memphis
18. USF

I agree with your UCF and Memphis ranks. I would even say Memphis should be around 10.

But you cannot be serious about USF. Their best win was against Temple who is 6-6. Their second best win is against Tulane who is 5-7. USF should not be ranked. Their best "win" was the loss against UCF, which was an incredible game, and a great performance.

I think you dislike the fact that 3 AAC programs have been chosen as the best 25 in the country more than anything else.

The only poll that matters is the CFP one. The next most important is the massey composite which at least the best at trying to be impartial. If you like the AP poll, that only becomes relevant again after bowl games are played. Ending in the top25 is a nice feat.

IMO there are 3 schools better than USF that are non AAC G5's.

Massey composite has
9 UCF
17 Memphis
29 Boise State
30 Toledo
32 SDSU
33 USF
37 FAU
39 Fresno State

USF may be the 3rd best G5 but there is a huge lack of evidence to support that claim. Going 1-2 against Bowl teams means as much as winning the Sun Belt...."whod ya play?".

Boise state is 5-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Toledo is 4-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.
SDSU is 3-2 against bowl teams.
FAU is 7-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Fresno State is 3-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.

cfp only matters for the access bowl, thats decided so its now irrelevant to the g5

AP/Coach defines your final rank and how your season will be remember. saying only cfp matters is naive... almost all sports databases records your final AP as your defining factor..
houston never cracked top 17 in the cfp in 15...every database say #8 Houston in 2015...none note our cfp ranking

i didn't care to read the rest of your justification why massey matters more..it doesnt
literally in 4 months usf will be remembered as a top 20 AP team....nothing about your team

also toledo guy you keep jumping back and forth between "resume" and how good they are eye test, and sometimes blur them to say you are using resume as deciding who is better on the field....

also what is your justification for toledo being better than usf....
usf lost 2 games on CRAZY endings (hailmary 4 and 24 vs houston, kick return td with 1 minute left)

toledo was blown out by ohio...

(11-27-2017 01:12 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 08:43 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:44 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 06:15 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  AAC programs deserve better rankings... Here's what I think should be

8. UCF
14. Memphis
18. USF

I agree with your UCF and Memphis ranks. I would even say Memphis should be around 10.

But you cannot be serious about USF. Their best win was against Temple who is 6-6. Their second best win is against Tulane who is 5-7. USF should not be ranked. Their best "win" was the loss against UCF, which was an incredible game, and a great performance.

I think you dislike the fact that 3 AAC programs have been chosen as the best 25 in the country more than anything else.

The only poll that matters is the CFP one. The next most important is the massey composite which at least the best at trying to be impartial. If you like the AP poll, that only becomes relevant again after bowl games are played. Ending in the top25 is a nice feat.

IMO there are 3 schools better than USF that are non AAC G5's.

Massey composite has
9 UCF
17 Memphis
29 Boise State
30 Toledo
32 SDSU
33 USF
37 FAU
39 Fresno State

USF may be the 3rd best G5 but there is a huge lack of evidence to support that claim. Going 1-2 against Bowl teams means as much as winning the Sun Belt...."whod ya play?".

Boise state is 5-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Toledo is 4-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.
SDSU is 3-2 against bowl teams.
FAU is 7-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Fresno State is 3-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.

cfp only matters for the access bowl, thats decided so its now irrelevant to the g5

AP/Coach defines your final rank and how your season will be remember. saying only cfp matters is naive... almost all sports databases records your final AP as your defining factor..
houston never cracked top 17 in the cfp in 15...every database say #8 Houston in 2015...none note our cfp ranking

i didn't care to read the rest of your justification why massey matters more..it doesnt
literally in 4 months usf will be remembered as a top 20 AP team....nothing about your team

also toledo guy you keep jumping back and forth between "resume" and how good they are eye test, and sometimes blur them to say you are using resume as deciding who is better on the field....

also what is your justification for toledo being better than usf....
usf lost 2 games on CRAZY endings (hailmary 4 and 24 vs houston, kick return td with 1 minute left)

toledo was blown out by ohio...

Blown out by Ohio and blew out an 8 win team CMU. Something USF cant say they have done. Beat another 8 win team by 10 and they are respected because of a P5 win... (NIU beat Nebraska ..who sucks but oh well.) And we are going to beat a team who beat Ohio twice. Our RB got hurt in the first drive against them. So whatever. OU Is a badish loss but they are 8-4 and viewed equal to Houston. The difference between USFs resume and Toledo's is that we have other wins also equivalent to Houston and USF has no good win of note. If Temple is? So is Akron x2(assuming) and WMU.

9-2 with top 10 loss and middle road loss with no middle road wins.

11-2 with top 10 loss and Middle road loss with 4 middle road wins.

Close? Sure. I nod the 2nd.

Toledo is +169 (14.1ppg) points with combined record of opponents being 69-74
USF is +173 (15.7) points with opponents combined record being 55-76

Again... Record can be arbitrary but counting FCS games in general helps USF because stony brook is good. But Elon is okay too. Its close. But its not far off to think toledo has an edge. Literally a few team edge in a group of 130. Thats not far out of thought.

(11-26-2017 11:01 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:48 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The only poll that matters is the CFP one. The next most important is the massey composite which at least the best at trying to be impartial. If you like the AP poll, that only becomes relevant again after bowl games are played. Ending in the top25 is a nice feat.

IMO there are 3 schools better than USF that are non AAC G5's.

Massey composite has
9 UCF
17 Memphis
29 Boise State
30 Toledo
32 SDSU
33 USF
37 FAU
39 Fresno State

USF may be the 3rd best G5 but there is a huge lack of evidence to support that claim. Going 1-2 against Bowl teams means as much as winning the Sun Belt...."whod ya play?".

Boise state is 5-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Toledo is 4-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.
SDSU is 3-2 against bowl teams.
FAU is 7-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Fresno State is 3-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.

There is a big difference between an 11 and 0 bowl team,such as UCF, versus a 6 and 6 bowl team. Using your logic FAU is a better team than Miss. St. because they are only 4 and 4 versus bowl teams.

Thats why they are still behind USF in the computer poll. Playing 3 bowl teams is still weak no matter how you draw it up.

BYU won a NC with a very weak 12 and 0 record, beating a 6 and 6 "bowl" team (Michigan). Notice the quotes around the word bowl. Air Force, at 8 and 4, was the second best team in the WAC that year. They didn't go through murders row, yet finished undefeated and won the NC.

Nice deflection, as usual, on changing your argument BTW! I used your suggest of bowls with Miss. St. being a weak 4 and 4 and you ignored it. Typical liberal nonsense.

And that has not happens since, and never will again. The BCS killed CFB.

(11-26-2017 11:09 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:01 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:48 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:30 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  The only poll that matters is the CFP one. The next most important is the massey composite which at least the best at trying to be impartial. If you like the AP poll, that only becomes relevant again after bowl games are played. Ending in the top25 is a nice feat.

IMO there are 3 schools better than USF that are non AAC G5's.

Massey composite has
9 UCF
17 Memphis
29 Boise State
30 Toledo
32 SDSU
33 USF
37 FAU
39 Fresno State

USF may be the 3rd best G5 but there is a huge lack of evidence to support that claim. Going 1-2 against Bowl teams means as much as winning the Sun Belt...."whod ya play?".

Boise state is 5-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Toledo is 4-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.
SDSU is 3-2 against bowl teams.
FAU is 7-3 against bowl teams. 1 left.
Fresno State is 3-2 against bowl teams. 1 left.

There is a big difference between an 11 and 0 bowl team,such as UCF, versus a 6 and 6 bowl team. Using your logic FAU is a better team than Miss. St. because they are only 4 and 4 versus bowl teams.

Thats why they are still behind USF in the computer poll. Playing 3 bowl teams is still weak no matter how you draw it up.

BYU won a NC with a very weak 12 and 0 record, beating a 6 and 6 "bowl" team (Michigan). Notice the quotes around the word bowl. Air Force, at 8 and 4, was the second best team in the WAC that year. They didn't go through murders row, yet finished undefeated and won the NC.

Nice deflection, as usual, on changing your argument BTW! I used your suggest of bowls with Miss. St. being a weak 4 and 4 and you ignored it. Typical liberal nonsense.

Whoopty do. You can find evidence for any scenario in football. 30 point underdogs have upset teams.

All I am saying is... If USF is 3rd best G5, there is little evidence to support that over teams with similar records and SOS' that prove they can compete with some better teams. A la... SDSU vs. Stanford. Fresno State vs. SDSU and Boise State. Even wins over a slew of 7 and 8 winners shows you are at least as good as teams who also win more than lose.

You cant play all 3 and 4 and 5 win teams then lose to the only 7 win team on the schedule. The UCF loss is forgiven obviously. I think USF is good, but I give the nod to a few others for best in the G5.

Memphis and UCF??? Hands down the best 2 and would be favored by 10 or more vs. All G5's.

Editing this since I looked at Toledo's schedule closer. Toledo played 3 teams with 10 losses, 1 with 9 losses, and an FCS team. And Toledo's schedule is something to brag about? That means that only 7 of their 12 games were not breather games. Yes, they beat AAC Tulsa but it took a last second FG to do so, giving up 51 points in the process to the 2 win team. You'd think a top 30 team should have no trouble with a team like Tulsa but they did. I know your response will say that Houston lost to them but they are not top 30 or part of the conversation between USF and Toledo.

(11-26-2017 03:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:30 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:28 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  Looks like we can finish with 3 ranked teams again as long as USF wins their bowl game.

Yes, and possibly 3 top 20 teams as well.

If Memphis or UCF goes 2-0, we will have a top ten.

If Memphis can keep Norvell, Memphis should be relatively decently ranked to start next year. That should help getting more of our teams ranked sooner. There was on reason for Memphis not to be pre-season ranked this year.

How big of a dropoff is it from Ferguson to next year's starter. That seems like a pretty significant hurdle even if Norvell sticks around...and I think he will stay another year, he's work the Brian Kelly playbook, ask for that extension to get an extra year or low-stress cash then go for another gig before the bowl games next year.

(11-27-2017 08:27 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:09 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:01 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:48 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:06 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  There is a big difference between an 11 and 0 bowl team,such as UCF, versus a 6 and 6 bowl team. Using your logic FAU is a better team than Miss. St. because they are only 4 and 4 versus bowl teams.

Thats why they are still behind USF in the computer poll. Playing 3 bowl teams is still weak no matter how you draw it up.

BYU won a NC with a very weak 12 and 0 record, beating a 6 and 6 "bowl" team (Michigan). Notice the quotes around the word bowl. Air Force, at 8 and 4, was the second best team in the WAC that year. They didn't go through murders row, yet finished undefeated and won the NC.

Nice deflection, as usual, on changing your argument BTW! I used your suggest of bowls with Miss. St. being a weak 4 and 4 and you ignored it. Typical liberal nonsense.

Whoopty do. You can find evidence for any scenario in football. 30 point underdogs have upset teams.

All I am saying is... If USF is 3rd best G5, there is little evidence to support that over teams with similar records and SOS' that prove they can compete with some better teams. A la... SDSU vs. Stanford. Fresno State vs. SDSU and Boise State. Even wins over a slew of 7 and 8 winners shows you are at least as good as teams who also win more than lose.

You cant play all 3 and 4 and 5 win teams then lose to the only 7 win team on the schedule. The UCF loss is forgiven obviously. I think USF is good, but I give the nod to a few others for best in the G5.

Memphis and UCF??? Hands down the best 2 and would be favored by 10 or more vs. All G5's.

Editing this since I looked at Toledo's schedule closer. Toledo played 3 teams with 10 losses, 1 with 9 losses, and an FCS team. And Toledo's schedule is something to brag about? That means that only 7 of their 12 games were not breather games. Yes, they beat AAC Tulsa but it took a last second FG to do so, giving up 51 points in the process to the 2 win team. You'd think a top 30 team should have no trouble with a team like Tulsa but they did. I know your response will say that Houston lost to them but they are not top 30 or part of the conversation between USF and Toledo.

Elon and Stoney Brook is apples to apples FCS playoff team. The rest of the schedule is still 3 .500 and above for USF and 6 .500 and above for Toledo. Hense why our SOS is better than USFs. Ohio State played a bad schedule too if you dont mention Oklahoma and MSU and Michigan. You cant nitpick only our bad games. USF had more of those bad games.

You can go side by side schedule if you want. Toledo has much more quantity in the middle of cfb from 40th to 80th rankings. USFs schedule is heavy in the 80 to 100 range. Toledo played 2 bad conference teams yes but SJSU was the 2nd worst FBS team. And That game was tight for a while.

(11-27-2017 09:42 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 08:27 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:09 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:01 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:48 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Thats why they are still behind USF in the computer poll. Playing 3 bowl teams is still weak no matter how you draw it up.

BYU won a NC with a very weak 12 and 0 record, beating a 6 and 6 "bowl" team (Michigan). Notice the quotes around the word bowl. Air Force, at 8 and 4, was the second best team in the WAC that year. They didn't go through murders row, yet finished undefeated and won the NC.

Nice deflection, as usual, on changing your argument BTW! I used your suggest of bowls with Miss. St. being a weak 4 and 4 and you ignored it. Typical liberal nonsense.

Whoopty do. You can find evidence for any scenario in football. 30 point underdogs have upset teams.

All I am saying is... If USF is 3rd best G5, there is little evidence to support that over teams with similar records and SOS' that prove they can compete with some better teams. A la... SDSU vs. Stanford. Fresno State vs. SDSU and Boise State. Even wins over a slew of 7 and 8 winners shows you are at least as good as teams who also win more than lose.

You cant play all 3 and 4 and 5 win teams then lose to the only 7 win team on the schedule. The UCF loss is forgiven obviously. I think USF is good, but I give the nod to a few others for best in the G5.

Memphis and UCF??? Hands down the best 2 and would be favored by 10 or more vs. All G5's.

Editing this since I looked at Toledo's schedule closer. Toledo played 3 teams with 10 losses, 1 with 9 losses, and an FCS team. And Toledo's schedule is something to brag about? That means that only 7 of their 12 games were not breather games. Yes, they beat AAC Tulsa but it took a last second FG to do so, giving up 51 points in the process to the 2 win team. You'd think a top 30 team should have no trouble with a team like Tulsa but they did. I know your response will say that Houston lost to them but they are not top 30 or part of the conversation between USF and Toledo.

Elon and Stoney Brook is apples to apples FCS playoff team. The rest of the schedule is still 3 .500 and above for USF and 6 .500 and above for Toledo. Hense why our SOS is better than USFs. Ohio State played a bad schedule too if you dont mention Oklahoma and MSU and Michigan. You cant nitpick only our bad games. USF had more of those bad games.

You can go side by side schedule if you want. Toledo has much more quantity in the middle of cfb from 40th to 80th rankings. USFs schedule is heavy in the 80 to 100 range. Toledo played 2 bad conference teams yes but SJSU was the 2nd worst FBS team. And That game was tight for a while.

I wasn't defending USF's schedule just pointing out that Toledo didn't play murderers row and is not exempt from discussing bad schedules. Good job lib, you still deflect the last second FG win over Tulsa and the 51 points they gave up.

Bringing up SJSU for USF versus Nevada for Toledo is like comparing a mosquito bite versus being bitten by a gnat. You move on either way not requiring a trip to an ER. I hurts USF's SOS more but both should be wins for the better teams.

(11-27-2017 09:42 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 08:27 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:09 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:01 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 10:48 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Thats why they are still behind USF in the computer poll. Playing 3 bowl teams is still weak no matter how you draw it up.

BYU won a NC with a very weak 12 and 0 record, beating a 6 and 6 "bowl" team (Michigan). Notice the quotes around the word bowl. Air Force, at 8 and 4, was the second best team in the WAC that year. They didn't go through murders row, yet finished undefeated and won the NC.

Nice deflection, as usual, on changing your argument BTW! I used your suggest of bowls with Miss. St. being a weak 4 and 4 and you ignored it. Typical liberal nonsense.

Whoopty do. You can find evidence for any scenario in football. 30 point underdogs have upset teams.

All I am saying is... If USF is 3rd best G5, there is little evidence to support that over teams with similar records and SOS' that prove they can compete with some better teams. A la... SDSU vs. Stanford. Fresno State vs. SDSU and Boise State. Even wins over a slew of 7 and 8 winners shows you are at least as good as teams who also win more than lose.

You cant play all 3 and 4 and 5 win teams then lose to the only 7 win team on the schedule. The UCF loss is forgiven obviously. I think USF is good, but I give the nod to a few others for best in the G5.

Memphis and UCF??? Hands down the best 2 and would be favored by 10 or more vs. All G5's.

Editing this since I looked at Toledo's schedule closer. Toledo played 3 teams with 10 losses, 1 with 9 losses, and an FCS team. And Toledo's schedule is something to brag about? That means that only 7 of their 12 games were not breather games. Yes, they beat AAC Tulsa but it took a last second FG to do so, giving up 51 points in the process to the 2 win team. You'd think a top 30 team should have no trouble with a team like Tulsa but they did. I know your response will say that Houston lost to them but they are not top 30 or part of the conversation between USF and Toledo.

Elon and Stoney Brook is apples to apples FCS playoff team. The rest of the schedule is still 3 .500 and above for USF and 6 .500 and above for Toledo. Hense why our SOS is better than USFs. Ohio State played a bad schedule too if you dont mention Oklahoma and MSU and Michigan. You cant nitpick only our bad games. USF had more of those bad games.

You can go side by side schedule if you want. Toledo has much more quantity in the middle of cfb from 40th to 80th rankings. USFs schedule is heavy in the 80 to 100 range. Toledo played 2 bad conference teams yes but SJSU was the 2nd worst FBS team. And That game was tight for a while.

Why? Why would you think anyone on the AAC board cares enough about Toledo to do a side by side comparison. I personally can see that the teams in the Mac simply aren't as good overall when compared to the AAC, and obviously the AP pollsters and coaches polls voters agree. I non would hate for one of our top 4 teams to be relegated to a bowl vs ANY Mac team in a bowl, but if USF were to be I along with millions of other gamblers would bet the house on USF

(11-27-2017 10:10 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 09:42 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 08:27 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:09 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 11:01 PM)sfink16 Wrote:  BYU won a NC with a very weak 12 and 0 record, beating a 6 and 6 "bowl" team (Michigan). Notice the quotes around the word bowl. Air Force, at 8 and 4, was the second best team in the WAC that year. They didn't go through murders row, yet finished undefeated and won the NC.

Nice deflection, as usual, on changing your argument BTW! I used your suggest of bowls with Miss. St. being a weak 4 and 4 and you ignored it. Typical liberal nonsense.

Whoopty do. You can find evidence for any scenario in football. 30 point underdogs have upset teams.

All I am saying is... If USF is 3rd best G5, there is little evidence to support that over teams with similar records and SOS' that prove they can compete with some better teams. A la... SDSU vs. Stanford. Fresno State vs. SDSU and Boise State. Even wins over a slew of 7 and 8 winners shows you are at least as good as teams who also win more than lose.

You cant play all 3 and 4 and 5 win teams then lose to the only 7 win team on the schedule. The UCF loss is forgiven obviously. I think USF is good, but I give the nod to a few others for best in the G5.

Memphis and UCF??? Hands down the best 2 and would be favored by 10 or more vs. All G5's.

Editing this since I looked at Toledo's schedule closer. Toledo played 3 teams with 10 losses, 1 with 9 losses, and an FCS team. And Toledo's schedule is something to brag about? That means that only 7 of their 12 games were not breather games. Yes, they beat AAC Tulsa but it took a last second FG to do so, giving up 51 points in the process to the 2 win team. You'd think a top 30 team should have no trouble with a team like Tulsa but they did. I know your response will say that Houston lost to them but they are not top 30 or part of the conversation between USF and Toledo.

Elon and Stoney Brook is apples to apples FCS playoff team. The rest of the schedule is still 3 .500 and above for USF and 6 .500 and above for Toledo. Hense why our SOS is better than USFs. Ohio State played a bad schedule too if you dont mention Oklahoma and MSU and Michigan. You cant nitpick only our bad games. USF had more of those bad games.

You can go side by side schedule if you want. Toledo has much more quantity in the middle of cfb from 40th to 80th rankings. USFs schedule is heavy in the 80 to 100 range. Toledo played 2 bad conference teams yes but SJSU was the 2nd worst FBS team. And That game was tight for a while.

I wasn't defending USF's schedule just pointing out that Toledo didn't play murderers row and is not exempt from discussing bad schedules. Good job lib, you still deflect the last second FG win over Tulsa and the 51 points they gave up.

Bringing up SJSU for USF versus Nevada for Toledo is like comparing a mosquito bite versus being bitten by a gnat. You move on either way not requiring a trip to an ER. I hurts USF's SOS more but both should be wins for the better teams.

Tulsa laid 51 on us, and Miami ran up 52 points...
Replay those two games now and The Canes probably do the same damage..Tulsa, take off about 30 points... Look, contrary to what folks think, Tulsa is better than what their record indicates...
They are a beat up unit now, but was very impressed with what I saw of them in September...

(11-27-2017 09:17 AM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 03:32 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:30 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 02:28 PM)MemphisTigerFreak Wrote:  Looks like we can finish with 3 ranked teams again as long as USF wins their bowl game.

Yes, and possibly 3 top 20 teams as well.

If Memphis or UCF goes 2-0, we will have a top ten.

If Memphis can keep Norvell, Memphis should be relatively decently ranked to start next year. That should help getting more of our teams ranked sooner. There was on reason for Memphis not to be pre-season ranked this year.

How big of a dropoff is it from Ferguson to next year's starter. That seems like a pretty significant hurdle even if Norvell sticks around...and I think he will stay another year, he's work the Brian Kelly playbook, ask for that extension to get an extra year or low-stress cash then go for another gig before the bowl games next year.

Hard to say, but we have a fleet of quarterbacks. Brady Davis is supposed to be awesome, and he was out this year with an ACL injury. (I believe) Moore, the current backup, has looked pretty good in the few cases where he was allowed to run the entire offensive game. And we have that Navy QB coming in January.