(11-27-2017 09:39 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Upset alert for Marquette. 4 left in 2nd half. EIU 61 Marquette 57

thanks MD! TO Marquette..cut it to 2..minute left

The EIU coach has to be the son of Pj carlissimo

Mr. Bork: talent? so what did all this great talent bring to NIU insofar as wins? As I said, they were exciting to watch but it has been rare for NIU coaches to win. Best winning percentage in 50 years was Jorgy at .500+ The often acclaimed (and rightfully so) successful, respected coach, John McDougal, was under .500 and never won more than 17 games. In fact there have only been 4 seasons in 117 years of Huskie basketball that NIU won 20+ games. The last time that happened before MM was Hammel in 1996....only Molinari's 25 win year was more than MM's 2016 21 win season and Jim didn't recruit those players.

So when were these glory days that too many folks misremember? When were the Huskies any more successful for a sustained period? I think Monty's 65 wins over the past 4 seasons may be the 2nd best 4 year span in program history. And before y'all gripe about the schedule, find and post significant years where the schedule was really that much better...

And 7, you missed the essence of my post/view of the Huskie program. I have enjoyed good, exciting basketball quite often for decades. The patton years were frustrating but still had good games and great players..In its D1 history, NIU has had one first place conference finish and two tied for firsts and a single MAC west first place. So, when you say the program is Winnie the Pooh, what are you comparing it to?

(11-27-2017 11:38 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  Mr. Bork: talent? so what did all this great talent bring to NIU insofar as wins? As I said, they were exciting to watch but it has been rare for NIU coaches to win. Best winning percentage in 50 years was Jorgy at .500+ The often acclaimed (and rightfully so) successful, respected coach, John McDougal, was under .500 and never won more than 17 games. In fact there have only been 4 seasons in 117 years of Huskie basketball that NIU won 20+ games. The last time that happened before MM was Hammel in 1996....only Molinari's 25 win year was more than MM's 2016 21 win season and Jim didn't recruit those players.

So when were these glory days that too many folks misremember? When were the Huskies any more successful for a sustained period? I think Monty's 65 wins over the past 4 seasons may be the 2nd best 4 year span in program history. And before y'all gripe about the schedule, find and post significant years where the schedule was really that much better...

And 7, you missed the essence of my post/view of the Huskie program. I have enjoyed good, exciting basketball quite often for decades. The patton years were frustrating but still had good games and great players..In its D1 history, NIU has had one first place conference finish and two tied for firsts and a single MAC west first place. So, when you say the program is Winnie the Pooh, what are you comparing it to?

No matter how bad Coach Monty becomes , he will never ever ever come close to even being in the same discussion as the dreariness engulfing the Patton years. I get uncontrollable jitters just thinking about it. He did essentially steal money from the university by getting paid for what he did.

(11-27-2017 07:14 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 06:56 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:42 PM)sportsfan Wrote:  EVERY Division 1 team that plays any non-D1 counts the game. It’s not MM or SF. It’s the way it is. Give it a rest.

Sorry sportsfan, but you are absolutely wrong!
Wisconsin hosted UW-Stout on Nov. 5 and it was an exhibition game for both teams.
Illinois played Eastern Illinois in Charleston and labeled it an exhibition.
The University of Mobile played South Alabama and it was labeled an exhibition.
Division I Mount St. Mary's hosted York College and labeled it an exhibition.
The above examples from a random search.

Go back into the archives of NIU's website and Monty's 2011-12 season begins with a 74-70 loss to Carthage College in a game labeled as an exhibition.
Last year, NIU counted the 95-69 win over Olivet Nazarene on Dec. 14, but ONU labeled it as an exhibition game and did not include it in any season recap. Regardless of how many Division I programs schedule and play "cupcakes", the statement "EVERY Division 1 team that plays any non-D1 counts the game" is factually wrong.
And if a school wants to waste "games" that count toward the allotted NCAA playing dates, at least agree on whether it's an exhibition or not. But even if you disagree with that and say it doesn't count and shouldn't matter, I guarantee you the NCAA tournament selection committee doesn't give a rip, but when those games are part of the "home" season ticket package, fans should care.

I always chuckle how emphatically people like to say "YOU ARE WRONG!" I get a feeling it's an exciting moment

You are wrong quite often MD! That was exciting.

(11-27-2017 07:06 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  The season started Nov.10th. Games played before this were exhibition. You can play two exhibitions or have two scrimmages before that date thus Wisconsin vs Wisconsin Stout was a exhibition. Games played after that date are counted for d1 schools. This year you could play a third exhibition before that date if part of proceeds went to hurricane relief. NIU chooses to play the two scrimmages. This years Huskie schedule is fine for a MAC caliber team.

Why bother with facts. Seems like too many are missing the rules and only basing their argument on emotions. I'd love to have all top level teams come here but NIU can't afford that. Plus tune up games help in the long run or at least they should. I'm ok with the scheduling of these 2 games since the rest of the schedule is pretty tough.

(11-27-2017 11:43 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 11:38 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  Mr. Bork: talent? so what did all this great talent bring to NIU insofar as wins? As I said, they were exciting to watch but it has been rare for NIU coaches to win. Best winning percentage in 50 years was Jorgy at .500+ The often acclaimed (and rightfully so) successful, respected coach, John McDougal, was under .500 and never won more than 17 games. In fact there have only been 4 seasons in 117 years of Huskie basketball that NIU won 20+ games. The last time that happened before MM was Hammel in 1996....only Molinari's 25 win year was more than MM's 2016 21 win season and Jim didn't recruit those players.

So when were these glory days that too many folks misremember? When were the Huskies any more successful for a sustained period? I think Monty's 65 wins over the past 4 seasons may be the 2nd best 4 year span in program history. And before y'all gripe about the schedule, find and post significant years where the schedule was really that much better...

And 7, you missed the essence of my post/view of the Huskie program. I have enjoyed good, exciting basketball quite often for decades. The patton years were frustrating but still had good games and great players..In its D1 history, NIU has had one first place conference finish and two tied for firsts and a single MAC west first place. So, when you say the program is Winnie the Pooh, what are you comparing it to?

No matter how bad Coach Monty becomes , he will never ever ever come close to even being in the same discussion as the dreariness engulfing the Patton years. I get uncontrollable jitters just thinking about it. He did essentially steal money from the university by getting paid for what he did.

thanks for presenting a historical if not dismal , factual summary of NIU bball. OUCH Truth can be painful and there seems no way out of this black and red hole.

(11-27-2017 11:47 PM)NIU17 Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 07:14 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-27-2017 06:56 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(11-26-2017 09:42 PM)sportsfan Wrote:  EVERY Division 1 team that plays any non-D1 counts the game. It’s not MM or SF. It’s the way it is. Give it a rest.

Sorry sportsfan, but you are absolutely wrong!
Wisconsin hosted UW-Stout on Nov. 5 and it was an exhibition game for both teams.
Illinois played Eastern Illinois in Charleston and labeled it an exhibition.
The University of Mobile played South Alabama and it was labeled an exhibition.
Division I Mount St. Mary's hosted York College and labeled it an exhibition.
The above examples from a random search.

Go back into the archives of NIU's website and Monty's 2011-12 season begins with a 74-70 loss to Carthage College in a game labeled as an exhibition.
Last year, NIU counted the 95-69 win over Olivet Nazarene on Dec. 14, but ONU labeled it as an exhibition game and did not include it in any season recap. Regardless of how many Division I programs schedule and play "cupcakes", the statement "EVERY Division 1 team that plays any non-D1 counts the game" is factually wrong.
And if a school wants to waste "games" that count toward the allotted NCAA playing dates, at least agree on whether it's an exhibition or not. But even if you disagree with that and say it doesn't count and shouldn't matter, I guarantee you the NCAA tournament selection committee doesn't give a rip, but when those games are part of the "home" season ticket package, fans should care.

I always chuckle how emphatically people like to say "YOU ARE WRONG!" I get a feeling it's an exciting moment

You are wrong quite often MD! That was exciting.

Nope
You do not understand pre-season vs regular season games. You can play two pre-season games and they are always exhibition. There was a third game added this year for fund raising purposes. Once the season begins, any non D1 counts for the D1 school but not for the other. That's they way it is. Carthage was a pre-season exhibition game that did not count for NIU.

(11-27-2017 11:38 PM)cagy cager Wrote:  Mr. Bork: talent? so what did all this great talent bring to NIU insofar as wins? As I said, they were exciting to watch but it has been rare for NIU coaches to win. Best winning percentage in 50 years was Jorgy at .500+ The often acclaimed (and rightfully so) successful, respected coach, John McDougal, was under .500 and never won more than 17 games. In fact there have only been 4 seasons in 117 years of Huskie basketball that NIU won 20+ games. The last time that happened before MM was Hammel in 1996....only Molinari's 25 win year was more than MM's 2016 21 win season and Jim didn't recruit those players.

So when were these glory days that too many folks misremember? When were the Huskies any more successful for a sustained period? I think Monty's 65 wins over the past 4 seasons may be the 2nd best 4 year span in program history. And before y'all gripe about the schedule, find and post significant years where the schedule was really that much better...

You made the assertion that individual talent on the court is reason enough alone for fans to attend the games. I pointed out that most of the greats you referenced (the first that came to you off the top of your head) were from years ago. Lux and Rayhorn scored nearly 2000 points. Is there anyone on the current squad or from the recent past who is anywhere close to that level of achievement?

Rayhorn was drafted by the Supersonics. Donald Whiteside played in the NBA.

Johnny Mac had a winning conference record for his career. Monty's conference record is brutal.

MM's teams also play 30 plus games per year. In the 70s, teams played 20 and it crept up as time went on. So, the 20 game win threshold, historically, is meaningless.

The point is that they are not very good, and the talent now is not great, even on an individual level. There are no Kenny Battles, no Chris Colemans, Rayhorns, Whitesides, etc.

I have been to many basketball games in the Convo over the past several years that have been so bad that it's painful to watch them. Missed baskets all over the floor, including under the basket, terrible free throw shooting, terrible passing, etc. - and many losses. It gets very depressing and you end up leaving the Convo in a foul mood. I sit with many diehards who have been supporting the Huskies for many years, and all just shake their heads in disbelief and disgust. It is no wonder the Convo is empty, and it will remain empty until the quality of play improves - and that will only come from a new coach.

Sort of odd for a weeknight, but the women and men play a doubleheader tomorrow night. In the past, these were played on Saturdays. The women play Bradley at 6, followed by the men's game against UW-Milwaukee at 8:30 pm. Of course, the men's game will start later if the women's game goes past 8:00 pm. So there's a good chance the men's game will end around 11:00 p.m. I wonder if they'll let fans come in their pajamas?

Monty's offense will put you asleep way before 11pm.

NIU is leading the MAC in field goal percentage(.489%). As the competition gets better that likely will change but it’s still a good sign.