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RE: Report: UCSD Finally Gets Big West Invite
(02-14-2018 02:35 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 02:10 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:54 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  UCSD isn't the problem. It's Bakersfield. I know I'm not the only one disgusted with how this went down 03-puke

probably because bsc has sac state on lockdown...ideally sac state would go to the bwc non-football...bsc football only...

unfortunately csub was the only csu available to keep the balance in the bwc between the uc's & csu's...not an ideal scenario...invite through association...

the bwc was more interested in keeping the peace between the uc's & csu's than evaluating by what a school brings to the table...

the bsc just wants to hoard western schools to hurt or possibly get rid of the wac...

exactly. after being oh so close to getting boise and sdsu back in 2013- and improving its profile as a conference - the bw got lazy and settled for ucsd and csub without receiving any concessions or promises. there is no benefit to bringing in csub, who wasn't even wanted for the longest time, and now that slams the door on ever getting back any former members.

ucsd brings world-class academics and decent d2 athletics...
csub brings not so world class academics and d1 athletics experience...

ucsd = academics (aau member/ivy league status)
csub = athletics (10 years d1 experience)

as far as concessions...ucsd & csub don't get the travel subsidies from HI...neither ucsd & csub couldn't get in on their own...they needed each other to get an invite...

curious as to what it would have taken to get the bsc to give up sac state...assuming sac state wanted to return non-football sports back to the bwc...
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RE: Report: UCSD Finally Gets Big West Invite
Probably an exit fee of around $500K. But UND showed that may not be necessary, just sufficient notice of over one year. So in theory Sac State could pull it's Olympics from the Big Sky and put them in the Big West, say in 2019 or 2020 if they gave notice this spring without incurring an exit fee.

These things are governed by conference by-laws. If you follow those, no politicking matters.
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RE: Report: UCSD Finally Gets Big West Invite
(02-14-2018 12:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Probably an exit fee of around $500K. But UND showed that may not be necessary, just sufficient notice of over one year. So in theory Sac State could pull it's Olympics from the Big Sky and put them in the Big West, say in 2019 or 2020 if they gave notice this spring without incurring an exit fee.

These things are governed by conference by-laws. If you follow those, no politicking matters.

That assumes of course:

1) Sac State administration wants to be in the Big West
2) They could arrange a football home (or drop football)
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RE: Report: UCSD Finally Gets Big West Invite
(02-14-2018 01:02 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 12:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Probably an exit fee of around $500K. But UND showed that may not be necessary, just sufficient notice of over one year. So in theory Sac State could pull it's Olympics from the Big Sky and put them in the Big West, say in 2019 or 2020 if they gave notice this spring without incurring an exit fee.

These things are governed by conference by-laws. If you follow those, no politicking matters.

That assumes of course:

1) Sac State administration wants to be in the Big West
2) They could arrange a football home (or drop football)

It’s very hard to find a home for football teams out west in FCS. Truthfully, the only real option for scholarship football is the Big Sky, and I can see why Sacramento State wants to leave football in there & pull out Olympic sports. The only other option is to put football in the non-scholarship Pioneer League, but unlike the USD Torerros, Sacramento State is a state institution, not private, and probably could not justify the expense of being in the Pioneer League, so basically, it’s Big Sky or bust.
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RE: Report: UCSD Finally Gets Big West Invite
(02-14-2018 01:51 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:02 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 12:53 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Probably an exit fee of around $500K. But UND showed that may not be necessary, just sufficient notice of over one year. So in theory Sac State could pull it's Olympics from the Big Sky and put them in the Big West, say in 2019 or 2020 if they gave notice this spring without incurring an exit fee.

These things are governed by conference by-laws. If you follow those, no politicking matters.

That assumes of course:

1) Sac State administration wants to be in the Big West
2) They could arrange a football home (or drop football)

It’s very hard to find a home for football teams out west in FCS. Truthfully, the only real option for scholarship football is the Big Sky, and I can see why Sacramento State wants to leave football in there & pull out Olympic sports. The only other option is to put football in the non-scholarship Pioneer League, but unlike the USD Torerros, Sacramento State is a state institution, not private, and probably could not justify the expense of being in the Pioneer League, so basically, it’s Big Sky or bust.

The cost of Pioneer League football travel is far less than the cost of 63 football scholarships. And if you don't have the 63 football scholarships, then you also need fewer women's scholarships to comply with Title IX, so a Pioneer League football team is probably saving its school the annual cost of more than 100 athletic scholarships as compared to a school that is fielding a full-scholarship FCS team.
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RE: Report: UCSD Finally Gets Big West Invite
I'm getting into DavidST territory here, but

Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
UC Davis
Cal Poly
Portland State
Azusa Pacific

Would make a fairly tight little west coast FCS conference.
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RE: Report: UCSD Finally Gets Big West Invite
(02-14-2018 08:23 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  I'm getting into DavidST territory here, but

Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
UC Davis
Cal Poly
Portland State
Azusa Pacific

Would make a fairly tight little west coast FCS conference.

It's coming soon with the Big North coming on board /NoDak
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RE: Report: UCSD Finally Gets Big West Invite
(02-14-2018 08:23 PM)teamvsn Wrote:  I'm getting into DavidST territory here, but

Sacramento State
Northern Arizona
UC Davis
Cal Poly
Portland State
Azusa Pacific

Would make a fairly tight little west coast FCS conference.

basically start big west conference football again...unfortunately the big sky conference won't let that happen...they're too busy binging on western schools for football and membership...if the bsc is willing to purging some schools then bwc football lives again...
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I'd think it would be in the Big Sky's interest to get about 14 FCS scholarship programs playing in the western states so that they could have two autobids. The WAC could be the 2nd league and take on Northern Arizona, Southern Utah, and Sacramento St as full members and Cal Poly and UC Davis as affiliates. San Diego (w/ schollies) could be another affiliate and Azusa Pacific the last full member.
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RE: Report: UCSD Finally Gets Big West Invite
(02-14-2018 01:54 AM)jdgaucho Wrote:  UCSD isn't the problem. It's Bakersfield. I know I'm not the only one disgusted with how this went down 03-puke

I can see a certain appeal to how the Big West is shaping up. UCSD gives them a fourth AAU member UC campus. If UCR can ever get its **** together the Big West will have half the AAU members in the state of CA (the others being the four Pac-12 schools plus Caltech.) And in Fullerton, Northridge, and Long Beach they have the three highest-enrollment CSU campuses. Cal Poly SLO doesn't fit in with its high-enrollment siblings, but it probably has the best reputation for college town living. They all seem to bring something to the table, either prestige or size or a cool college vibe.

And then there's Bakersfield.

At least if Sacramento State had been the expansion choice it would have fit in with the high-enrollment CSUs. They have the fourth-largest student body if you don't count the FBS-playing MWC schools. They're three times as big as CSU Bakersfield! But I guess Sacramento State has its reasons for staying in the Big Sky.
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