(11-29-2017 01:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 06:19 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Btw, I just learned from listening to a podcast by the local Memphis beat writer and lead columnist, they interviewed the Liberty Bowl Director, Steve Ehrhart.

If Memphis loses the AAC CG, then the Liberty will take Memphis, assuming the SEC lands 3 teams in the Top 12 (UGA, Auburn, Bama), b/c they can sell more tickets than say, for Missouri.

However, if Memphis wins the AAC, the Liberty will not take another AAC team, but instead will take Missouri or similar.

That's not how the process works. Assuming the SEC puts three teams in the NY6 (a near-certainty), the SEC will have 5 eligible teams for 6 bowl slots in their pool, of which the LB is one of those.

The procedure is that the SEC and the six bowls and the five schools will all consult to determine which bowls will get which teams, and which bowl will be left out, and that could be the Liberty Bowl, and then yes, they could select Memphis to fill the SEC slot. But the Liberty Bowl doesn't have the power to unilaterally decide that.

And what do you think they have all been doing for the last few weeks? I never said the Liberty Bowl made this decision by itself. I just didn't go into the details.

The Liberty Bowl is volunteering to opt out IF Memphis loses the next game.

OK, thanks for clarifying, but your post needed clarification, because it did make it seem as if the Liberty Bowl was doing this unilaterally.

(11-29-2017 12:57 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 12:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 12:41 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 06:19 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Btw, I just learned from listening to a podcast by the local Memphis beat writer and lead columnist, they interviewed the Liberty Bowl Director, Steve Ehrhart.

If Memphis loses the AAC CG, then the Liberty will take Memphis, assuming the SEC lands 3 teams in the Top 12 (UGA, Auburn, Bama), b/c they can sell more tickets than say, for Missouri.

However, if Memphis wins the AAC, the Liberty will not take another AAC team, but instead will take Missouri or similar.

That's not how the process works. Assuming the SEC puts three teams in the NY6 (a near-certainty), the SEC will have 5 eligible teams for 6 bowl slots in their pool, of which the LB is one of those.

The procedure is that the SEC and the six bowls and the five schools will all consult to determine which bowls will get which teams, and which bowl will be left out, and that could be the Liberty Bowl, and then yes, they could select Memphis to fill the SEC slot. But the Liberty Bowl doesn't have the power to unilaterally decide that.

They actually do. There are clauses in the contract that allow them to go around the normal tie-ins every so often.

Makes zero sense. Using your thinking, what if the Liberty and the Outback Bowl both have those clauses? If they both exercise them, the SEC would have a team stranded with no bowl tie in.

These smaller bowls need the SEC far more than vice versa, so there's zero chance they have clauses that allow them on their own volition to dump an SEC team. That is crazy. Especially a bowl like the LB that would be about 9th in the SEC pecking order.

You can read the clauses for yourself.

OK, go ahead and post the link.

Well, if SEC and Liberty would agree, it would be great for AAC to fill in. Need Auburn to beat Ga in double over time, and UCF to win title. Great for UCF, AAC, and not too bad for Memphis.

Rocky Long was on local radio and said he was preparing for six teams. UCF and Memphis were two of the six.

(11-29-2017 06:19 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Btw, I just learned from listening to a podcast by the local Memphis beat writer and lead columnist, they interviewed the Liberty Bowl Director, Steve Ehrhart.

If Memphis loses the AAC CG, then the Liberty will take Memphis, assuming the SEC lands 3 teams in the Top 12 (UGA, Auburn, Bama), b/c they can sell more tickets than say, for Missouri.

However, if Memphis wins the AAC, the Liberty will not take another AAC team, but instead will take Missouri or similar.

The really interesting part of all of this is what happens if Memphis beats UCF?

It is pretty much a given at this point that the Liberty has worked out the deal with the SEC to take Memphis if UCF wins.

But, if Memphis wins, will the SEC still leave out the Liberty Bowl? One of these SEC bowls will be left without an SEC team since Auburn, UGA, & Bama are all NY6 bound:

Outback - 1/1 vs Big Ten
TaxSlayer - 12/30 vs Big Ten/ACC
Music City - 12/29 vs ACC/Big Ten
Texas - 12/27 vs Big 12
Belk - 12/29 vs ACC
Liberty - 12/30 vs Big 12

UCF very likely ends up in one of these above if they lose to Memphis.

(11-30-2017 10:18 AM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  

(11-29-2017 06:19 AM)TripleA Wrote:  Btw, I just learned from listening to a podcast by the local Memphis beat writer and lead columnist, they interviewed the Liberty Bowl Director, Steve Ehrhart.

If Memphis loses the AAC CG, then the Liberty will take Memphis, assuming the SEC lands 3 teams in the Top 12 (UGA, Auburn, Bama), b/c they can sell more tickets than say, for Missouri.

However, if Memphis wins the AAC, the Liberty will not take another AAC team, but instead will take Missouri or similar.

The really interesting part of all of this is what happens if Memphis beats UCF?

It is pretty much a given at this point that the Liberty has worked out the deal with the SEC to take Memphis if UCF wins.

But, if Memphis wins, will the SEC still leave out the Liberty Bowl? One of these SEC bowls will be left without an SEC team since Auburn, UGA, & Bama are all NY6 bound:

Outback - 1/1 vs Big Ten
TaxSlayer - 12/30 vs Big Ten/ACC
Music City - 12/29 vs ACC/Big Ten
Texas - 12/27 vs Big 12
Belk - 12/29 vs ACC
Liberty - 12/30 vs Big 12

UCF very likely ends up in one of these above if they lose to Memphis.

Even though these six bowls are in a "pool", there is still an SEC pecking order within that pool based on payouts, and yes, the Liberty Bowl is at the bottom of the pecking order, so the SEC is likely to sacrifice the Liberty Bowl.

No way would they sacrifice the Outback or TaxSlayer (Gator) Bowls as those are higher-profile bowls with much larger payouts and desirable opponents.

houston to hawaii is almost a certainty according to our beat writer...but isn't official till all bowl moves are made, could be a last minute switch up

imo that makes smu to frisco also almost a certainty

(that eliminates any chance of sdsu playing ucf/usf/memphis or p5 in their bowl..their likely best opponent is a houston rematch)

(11-30-2017 11:07 AM)pesik Wrote:  houston to hawaii is almost a certainty according to our beat writer...but isn't official till all bowl moves are made, could be a last minute switch up

imo that makes smu to frisco also almost a certainty

(that eliminates any chance of sdsu playing ucf/usf/memphis or p5 in their bowl..their likely best opponent is a houston rematch)

Who does your beat writer say that Houston will play?

Not sure about your last sentence. SDSU or Fresno is going to play Wazzu in the Foster Farms Bowl.

Regarding Frisco, I have no idea. However, some are saying that Memphis would go there if they lose.

(11-30-2017 11:21 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:07 AM)pesik Wrote:  houston to hawaii is almost a certainty according to our beat writer...but isn't official till all bowl moves are made, could be a last minute switch up

imo that makes smu to frisco also almost a certainty

(that eliminates any chance of sdsu playing ucf/usf/memphis or p5 in their bowl..their likely best opponent is a houston rematch)

Who does your beat writer say that Houston will play?

Didn’t say. Doesn’t matter. Nobody ever attends that bowl in any significant numbers. Unless Hawaii is actually bowl eligible, the stands are empty. I hope we dump this one. G5 vs G5 bowls need to be in the footprint. Between being extremely expensive, thousands of miles away, and on an unattractive date (Christmas Eve) that conflicts with almost everyone’s traditional holiday plans—it’s just not a very fan friendly bowl. Swap it for NOLA.

(11-30-2017 11:28 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:21 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:07 AM)pesik Wrote:  houston to hawaii is almost a certainty according to our beat writer...but isn't official till all bowl moves are made, could be a last minute switch up

imo that makes smu to frisco also almost a certainty

(that eliminates any chance of sdsu playing ucf/usf/memphis or p5 in their bowl..their likely best opponent is a houston rematch)

Who does your beat writer say that Houston will play?

Didn’t say. Doesn’t matter. Nobody ever attends that bowl in any significant numbers. Unless Hawaii is actually bowl eligible, the stands are empty. I hope we dump this one. G5 vs G5 bowls need to be in the footprint.

Agree for the most part. The Hawaii Bowl without Hawaii is a drain.

(11-30-2017 11:21 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:07 AM)pesik Wrote:  houston to hawaii is almost a certainty according to our beat writer...but isn't official till all bowl moves are made, could be a last minute switch up

imo that makes smu to frisco also almost a certainty

(that eliminates any chance of sdsu playing ucf/usf/memphis or p5 in their bowl..their likely best opponent is a houston rematch)

Who does your beat writer say that Houston will play?

no word
mcmurphy thinks itll be csu (most accurate about this kinda thing)

nothing official but he also has word
Virginia-Navy in Military
Memphis-UCF winner to Peach
Memphis-UCF loser to Liberty
SMU in Frisco

for our mwc friend-
New Mexico State, if eligible, to Arizona
Fresno State (if it loses MWC title game) to Foster Farms

not in his likely lock list but just simple projections
New Mexico: Western Kentucky (C-USA) vs. San Diego State (MWC)
(csu projection also not in the lock projection)

lol that would sucks for sdsu...your 2 likely options are new mexico state or a 6-6 c-usa team....your only chance at a decent bowl is to get a rematch from a team you already beat having a rebuilding year (houston)

(11-30-2017 11:35 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:21 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:07 AM)pesik Wrote:  houston to hawaii is almost a certainty according to our beat writer...but isn't official till all bowl moves are made, could be a last minute switch up

imo that makes smu to frisco also almost a certainty

(that eliminates any chance of sdsu playing ucf/usf/memphis or p5 in their bowl..their likely best opponent is a houston rematch)

Who does your beat writer say that Houston will play?

no word
mcmurphy thinks itll be csu (most accurate about this kinda thing)

nothing official but he also has word
Virginia-Navy in Military
Memphis-UCF winner to Peach
Memphis-UCF loser to Liberty
SMU in Frisco

for our mwc friend-
New Mexico State, if eligible, to Arizona
Fresno State (if it loses MWC title game) to Foster Farms

not in his likely lock list but just simple projections
New Mexico: Western Kentucky (C-USA) vs. San Diego State (MWC)
(csu projection also not in the lock projection)

lol that would sucks for sdsu...your 2 likely options are new mexico state or a 6-6 c-usa team....your only chance at a decent bowl is to get a rematch from a team you already beat having a rebuilding year (houston)

Bowl scenarios suck for a lot of us. There is no doubt about that. The Arizona Bowl against NMSU is certainly possible, but I find it unlikely.

McMurphy says SDSU is a lock for the New Mexico Bowl, but that is not necessarily true. Someone pointed this out to the Aztec Beat Writer, and he Aztec Beat Writer said McMurphy is wrong. Certainly, Fresno State winning the MWC is the best case scenario for us, as we would then play Wazzu in the Foster Farms for sure.

There is zero chance of SDSU playing Houston in a Bowl game this year. Trust me on this one, the Adminstration has already told the coaching staff that they will likely play one of these seven teams: UCLA, Arizona, Memphis, UCF, North Texas, NMSU or Wazzu, and the coaching staff has said they are preparing for those teams. Could this change? Sure, but Rocky Long has gone on the record and said this. My friend in the department has confirmed it as well.

Side note: your Houston statements are always weird. Sure it is a rebuilding year this year for Houston. It was for SDSU as well, considering we started three freshman, a Soph, and a Junior on the O-Line. But you always post things in the most positive light. Then, others post things in the most negative light. Is is possible that 7-5 or 8-4 is the Mean or Median for Houston?

(11-30-2017 11:52 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:35 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:21 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:07 AM)pesik Wrote:  houston to hawaii is almost a certainty according to our beat writer...but isn't official till all bowl moves are made, could be a last minute switch up

imo that makes smu to frisco also almost a certainty

(that eliminates any chance of sdsu playing ucf/usf/memphis or p5 in their bowl..their likely best opponent is a houston rematch)

Who does your beat writer say that Houston will play?

no word
mcmurphy thinks itll be csu (most accurate about this kinda thing)

nothing official but he also has word
Virginia-Navy in Military
Memphis-UCF winner to Peach
Memphis-UCF loser to Liberty
SMU in Frisco

for our mwc friend-
New Mexico State, if eligible, to Arizona
Fresno State (if it loses MWC title game) to Foster Farms

not in his likely lock list but just simple projections
New Mexico: Western Kentucky (C-USA) vs. San Diego State (MWC)
(csu projection also not in the lock projection)

lol that would sucks for sdsu...your 2 likely options are new mexico state or a 6-6 c-usa team....your only chance at a decent bowl is to get a rematch from a team you already beat having a rebuilding year (houston)

Bowl scenarios suck for a lot of us. There is no doubt about that. The Arizona Bowl against NMSU is certainly possible, but I find it unlikely.

McMurphy says SDSU is a lock for the New Mexico Bowl, but that is not true at all.

There is zero chance of SDSU playing Houston in a Bowl game this year. Trust me on this one, the Adminstration has already told the coaching staff that they will likely play one of these seven teams: UCLA, Arizona, Memphis, UCF, North Texas, NMSU or Wazzu, and the coaching staff has said they are preparing for those teams. Could this change? Sure, but Rocky Long has gone on the record and said this. My friend in the department has confirmed it as well.

Side note: your Houston statements are always weird. Sure it is a rebuilding year this year for Houston. It was for SDSU as well, considering we started three freshman, a Soph, and a Junior on the O-Line. But you always post things in the most positive light. Then, others in the most negative light. Is is possible that 7-5 or 8-4 is the Mean or Median for Houston?

Mcmurphy already confirmed but not official ucf/memphis are off the table ..utah to the HOD is a lock according to mcmuphy meaning no more atlarge pac 12, meaning vegas is the only way to meet a pac 12...(that eliminates arizona, ucla, wazzu)..boise/fresno getting vegas

north texas in the new mexico bowl, nmsu in arizona are the only 2 feasible on that list

also do you ever have subjective arguments that arent biased..houston just replaced it coach and qb, but we can't say its a rebuilding year..

(11-30-2017 12:08 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:52 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:35 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:21 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:07 AM)pesik Wrote:  houston to hawaii is almost a certainty according to our beat writer...but isn't official till all bowl moves are made, could be a last minute switch up

imo that makes smu to frisco also almost a certainty

(that eliminates any chance of sdsu playing ucf/usf/memphis or p5 in their bowl..their likely best opponent is a houston rematch)

Who does your beat writer say that Houston will play?

no word
mcmurphy thinks itll be csu (most accurate about this kinda thing)

nothing official but he also has word
Virginia-Navy in Military
Memphis-UCF winner to Peach
Memphis-UCF loser to Liberty
SMU in Frisco

for our mwc friend-
New Mexico State, if eligible, to Arizona
Fresno State (if it loses MWC title game) to Foster Farms

not in his likely lock list but just simple projections
New Mexico: Western Kentucky (C-USA) vs. San Diego State (MWC)
(csu projection also not in the lock projection)

lol that would sucks for sdsu...your 2 likely options are new mexico state or a 6-6 c-usa team....your only chance at a decent bowl is to get a rematch from a team you already beat having a rebuilding year (houston)

Bowl scenarios suck for a lot of us. There is no doubt about that. The Arizona Bowl against NMSU is certainly possible, but I find it unlikely.

McMurphy says SDSU is a lock for the New Mexico Bowl, but that is not true at all.

There is zero chance of SDSU playing Houston in a Bowl game this year. Trust me on this one, the Adminstration has already told the coaching staff that they will likely play one of these seven teams: UCLA, Arizona, Memphis, UCF, North Texas, NMSU or Wazzu, and the coaching staff has said they are preparing for those teams. Could this change? Sure, but Rocky Long has gone on the record and said this. My friend in the department has confirmed it as well.

Side note: your Houston statements are always weird. Sure it is a rebuilding year this year for Houston. It was for SDSU as well, considering we started three freshman, a Soph, and a Junior on the O-Line. But you always post things in the most positive light. Then, others in the most negative light. Is is possible that 7-5 or 8-4 is the Mean or Median for Houston?

Mcmurphy already confirmed but not official ucf/memphis are off the table ..utah to the HOD is a lock according to mcmuphy meaning no more atlarge pac 12, meaning vegas is the only way to meet a pac 12...(that eliminates arizona, ucla, wazzu)..boise/fresno getting vegas

north texas in the new mexico bowl, nmsu in arizona are the only 2 feasible on that list

also do you ever have subjective arguments that arent biased..houston just replaced it coach and qb, but we can't say its a rebuilding year..

McMurphy's "locks' are not locks. They are locks if his projections are correct. He has acknowledged this. For example, he think if Fresno loses, they will be in the Foster Farms Bowl. If not, SDSU will likely be in the FF Bowl.

Regarding NMSU, and North Texas, that is certainly possible, as I told you in my previous post.

The funniest thing is, you actually take these projections seriously. Nobody had Houston in the Vegas Bowl, until it was announced. Like I said, there are seven teams the Adminstration has told the coaching staff to prepare for.

You can have a rebuilding year. I actually told you in the off-season that you would have one. You just told me I was a biased idiot that didn't know what I was talking about. You also told me SDSU was going to be rebuilding with a new O-line. I agreed, and told you we would rebuild by going 9-3. I did not predict 10-2 because of that new o-line.

Regarding your last sentence, generally subjectivity and bias can be synonyms for the most part. I am not sure what you are saying here. I think I am being reasonable. I told you there were seven teams we could play. You are again using absolute qualifying words like "lock" "only" and "stuck."

update mcmurphy has word North Texas to New Orleans (not official)

your option are atlarge c-usa in the new mexico bowl, nmsu in arizona

since hawaii isn't happening ...the only but unlikely decent options is seeking into the Frisco vs SMU..or fau being the atlarge in new mexico but no one is projecting that

(11-30-2017 10:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Even though these six bowls are in a "pool", there is still an SEC pecking order within that pool based on payouts, and yes, the Liberty Bowl is at the bottom of the pecking order, so the SEC is likely to sacrifice the Liberty Bowl.

No way would they sacrifice the Outback or TaxSlayer (Gator) Bowls as those are higher-profile bowls with much larger payouts and desirable opponents.

There isn't as much a pecking order in the pool as there is the SEC office controlling everything to make the most favorable matchups for the SEC. The desirable opponent part for them is more about a beatable team than a high profile team.

I totally agree that they won't give up the Outback Bowl. But I could see the SEC leaving any of the others unfilled if they feel that playing K-State or ISU in the Liberty is a more likely win for the conference. In those cases, I'd expect the SEC to call the AAC and say "we'll give you the X bowl instead of the Liberty on the condition that we get the monetary difference."

(11-30-2017 11:28 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:21 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:07 AM)pesik Wrote:  houston to hawaii is almost a certainty according to our beat writer...but isn't official till all bowl moves are made, could be a last minute switch up

imo that makes smu to frisco also almost a certainty

(that eliminates any chance of sdsu playing ucf/usf/memphis or p5 in their bowl..their likely best opponent is a houston rematch)

Who does your beat writer say that Houston will play?

Didn’t say. Doesn’t matter. Nobody ever attends that bowl in any significant numbers. Unless Hawaii is actually bowl eligible, the stands are empty. I hope we dump this one. G5 vs G5 bowls need to be in the footprint. Between being extremely expensive, thousands of miles away, and on an unattractive date (Christmas Eve) that conflicts with almost everyone’s traditional holiday plans—it’s just not a very fan friendly bowl. Swap it for NOLA.

I enjoy watching the Hawaii Bowl on Christmas Eve. Almost never miss it.

(11-30-2017 12:19 PM)pesik Wrote:  update mcmurphy has word North Texas to New Orleans (not official)

your option are atlarge c-usa in the new mexico bowl, nmsu in arizona

since hawaii isn't happening ...the only but unlikely decent options is seeking into the Frisco vs SMU..or fau being the atlarge in new mexico but no one is projecting that

Well, ****. If McMurphy says its a lock, it must be true. I will book my ticket now (I like McMurphy by the way). You make me laugh my friend. You need to learn the art of making projections without them being absolute.

(11-30-2017 12:16 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 12:08 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:52 AM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:35 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 11:21 AM)fanhood Wrote:  Who does your beat writer say that Houston will play?

no word
mcmurphy thinks itll be csu (most accurate about this kinda thing)

nothing official but he also has word
Virginia-Navy in Military
Memphis-UCF winner to Peach
Memphis-UCF loser to Liberty
SMU in Frisco

for our mwc friend-
New Mexico State, if eligible, to Arizona
Fresno State (if it loses MWC title game) to Foster Farms

not in his likely lock list but just simple projections
New Mexico: Western Kentucky (C-USA) vs. San Diego State (MWC)
(csu projection also not in the lock projection)

lol that would sucks for sdsu...your 2 likely options are new mexico state or a 6-6 c-usa team....your only chance at a decent bowl is to get a rematch from a team you already beat having a rebuilding year (houston)

Bowl scenarios suck for a lot of us. There is no doubt about that. The Arizona Bowl against NMSU is certainly possible, but I find it unlikely.

McMurphy says SDSU is a lock for the New Mexico Bowl, but that is not true at all.

There is zero chance of SDSU playing Houston in a Bowl game this year. Trust me on this one, the Adminstration has already told the coaching staff that they will likely play one of these seven teams: UCLA, Arizona, Memphis, UCF, North Texas, NMSU or Wazzu, and the coaching staff has said they are preparing for those teams. Could this change? Sure, but Rocky Long has gone on the record and said this. My friend in the department has confirmed it as well.

Side note: your Houston statements are always weird. Sure it is a rebuilding year this year for Houston. It was for SDSU as well, considering we started three freshman, a Soph, and a Junior on the O-Line. But you always post things in the most positive light. Then, others in the most negative light. Is is possible that 7-5 or 8-4 is the Mean or Median for Houston?

Mcmurphy already confirmed but not official ucf/memphis are off the table ..utah to the HOD is a lock according to mcmuphy meaning no more atlarge pac 12, meaning vegas is the only way to meet a pac 12...(that eliminates arizona, ucla, wazzu)..boise/fresno getting vegas

north texas in the new mexico bowl, nmsu in arizona are the only 2 feasible on that list

also do you ever have subjective arguments that arent biased..houston just replaced it coach and qb, but we can't say its a rebuilding year..

McMurphy's "locks' are not locks. They are locks if his projections are correct. He has acknowledged this. For example, he think if Fresno loses, they will be in the Foster Farms Bowl. If not, SDSU will likely be in the FF Bowl.

Regarding NMSU, and North Texas, that is certainly possible, as I told you in my previous post.

The funniest thing is, you actually take these projections seriously. Nobody had Houston in the Vegas Bowl, until it was announced. Like I said, there are seven teams the Adminstration has told the coaching staff to prepare for.

You can have a rebuilding year. I actually told you in the off-season that you would have one. You just told me I was a biased idiot that didn't know what I was talking about. You also told me SDSU was going to be rebuilding with a new O-line. I agreed, and told you we would rebuild by going 9-3. I did not predict 10-2 because of that new o-line.

Regarding your last sentence, generally subjectivity and bias are synonyms for the most part. I am not sure what you are saying here.

maybe im interpreting badly and you are getting what im sayng..he has projections, and he also has sourced info, 2 different things...he makes 2 lists...one with his sources giving the likely outcomes..and then the rest he fills out his projection

look yourself
https://www.facebook.com/TheBrettMcMurph...1127453277

"* Nothing’s official until Sunday but … these appear locked in (unless there are some major upsets in the conference title games that shuffle the bowl lineup):"

then gives projections after with the ones with no word

(11-30-2017 12:19 PM)Metropolis777 Wrote:  

(11-30-2017 10:52 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Even though these six bowls are in a "pool", there is still an SEC pecking order within that pool based on payouts, and yes, the Liberty Bowl is at the bottom of the pecking order, so the SEC is likely to sacrifice the Liberty Bowl.

No way would they sacrifice the Outback or TaxSlayer (Gator) Bowls as those are higher-profile bowls with much larger payouts and desirable opponents.

There isn't as much a pecking order in the pool as there is the SEC office controlling everything to make the most favorable matchups for the SEC. The desirable opponent part for them is more about a beatable team than a high profile team.

I totally agree that they won't give up the Outback Bowl. But I could see the SEC leaving any of the others unfilled if they feel that playing K-State or ISU in the Liberty is a more likely win for the conference. In those cases, I'd expect the SEC to call the AAC and say "we'll give you the X bowl instead of the Liberty on the condition that we get the monetary difference."

That makes little sense, because if the SEC wanted cream-puff matchups it could have them any time it wanted. Instead, the SEC has the toughest bowl lineup among all conferences. They clearly emphasize the money over everything else.