(11-27-2017 02:55 AM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: (11-26-2017 10:38 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote: (11-24-2017 09:32 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: I also want to mention (as I have before), that Carey should be judged first and foremost on how many conference titles he wins. 1 conference title in 5 seasons is a major disappointment. If you took a poll of this place 5 years ago and ask “How many would conference titles will NIU win in the next 5 years?” 90%+ would have said over 1.
5- too unrealistic
4- would have been phenomenal
3- would have been great
2- would have been acceptable
1- disappointing
0- unacceptable
And don’t get me started on the bowl record. 
To win a MACC in '15,'16 or '17, NIU would have had to win it with the QB play of Tommy Fiedler, Ryan Graham and Daniel Santacaterina. None of those guys sound like Champion Caliber QBs to me. Should the Huskies of won in 2013 with Lynch? Probably. But they lost to the highest rated QB in the conference that year. The better QB in Matt Johnson. Should they have won in 2014 with Hare? Probably not. But they did. Primarily because Johnson was injured.
The people who talk about how "loaded" NIU was when Carey took over sound exactly the WMU board this spring. That the team is/was so superior in talent that QB play isn't that important. I'm trying to tell NIU fans the same thing I told WMU fans earlier this year...You're are/were no more talented than any of the top 3 or 4 MAC teams and you'll go as far as your QB can take you. Same thing for NIU 2014-2017. We werent more talented than the other top MAC teams, We just had Lynch for two years and it skewed our perception.
If the '17 Huskies had Lynch they'd be probably be 12-0 and we'd be talking about them being the best team we've ever had. If Toledo lost Woodside and their back up to injury early in the season, they'd probably be fighting to be bowl eligible.
Im sure that many on the WMU board felt theyd win at least 2 more championships over the next 4 years since Lester inherited a "loaded" team. But unless they find a top 3 QB fast, they probably wont win another one.
Take the best coach the MAC has ever seen....give him Childers and Graham back to back for 5 years. How many Championships does he win? You can kill Carey for recruiting, but that's a totally different argument. BTW, what MAC coach has recruited great QBS consistently year after year? Woodside to Gradkowski...how long was that?
It’s up to Carey to recruit and develop QB’s. Not championship caliber QB’s? Well recruit someone better or develop them into better QB’s.
And Lynch finished 3rd in the Hesiman Trophy voting that year, I don’t think I’m going out on a limb by calling Lynch the better QB.
People have an excuse for everything.
Rod Carey was Drew Hare's offensive coordinator as a true freshman and his head coach as a redshirt freshman and sophomore.
Drew Hare completed 61% of his passes with 37 TDs and 6 INTs in his career and won a MAC Championship as a redshirt sophomore.
This idea that Carey can't identify QB talent is borderline hilarious. He had a guy that would have went down as probably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the history of the damn school if he didn't get hurt. He also landed arguably the best QB recruit in the history of the school in Rodney Hall last year.
Take Woodside off Toledo this year and watch what happens to Toledo's season. Have Terrell get hurt last year and watch what happens to WMU. Take Deandre Francois off Florida State and watch what happ....oh wait, we saw what happens.
If you want to blame Carey for the QB situation this year, so be it. That bastard "only" coached the team to 8 wins and a win at Nebraska this year. Fire him! If everybody's All-American Daniel Santacaterina could throw the ball to the right colored jerseys they would have won at the #19 team in the country. Guess that one was his fault too!
Here's a huge problem with some people on this board, you blame Carey for everything.
NIU won must win games @ undefeated ranked Toledo and against Western Michigan with freshman Ryan Graham playing QB. Does ANYBODY give Carey credit for that? No, all that's talked about is his postseason record where he's lost a game to FLORIDA STATE!!!!!!, a game playing a true freshman walk-on QB, and a game against Boise State with a hobbled Ryan Graham playing against a team that was better than them.
NIU outplayed #1 Ohio State for FOUR quarters and had four drives to try to win the game in the fourth quarter and this place blamed the coaching because Carey was too conservative! Seriously! They played neck and neck with the #1 team in the country who was the defending champions and people blamed the coach.
He's 4-1 against the Big Ten in his career and this is a literally a thread breaking down the records of the Big Ten teams he's beaten. You know what EVERY other coaches record in program history not named Rod Carey is against the Big Ten? 3-36-1. You think of those 36 losses, some of those teams were against teams that weren't very good? Hell, Dave Doeren lost to a 4-8 Iowa team on a neutral field with Jordan Lynch at QB. You know what coach led them to a victory a year lead at an Iowa team that went (i believe) 8-4. BY GAWD, that's Rod Carey's music!!
Some of you people are literally insane. I don't know what's happened. It blows my mind that we're sitting here talking about a coach who in his first five years has 4 wins against the Big Ten, won 66% of his games, won a conference title, and three division titles and people want him fired. It. Makes. Zero. Sense. There will come a time before all of us kick the bucket where NIU truly swings and misses on a coach hire and are in a spot where damn near every mid major has been in the last 15+ years other than NIU. We ain't there right now.
Get over yourselves. Seriously.
