(11-24-2017 04:45 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:37 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  I'm sure Mr & Mrs Childers would agree. Ok, maybe just Mrs.Childers. Mr.Childers watches football.

Speaking of being out of rational arguments.
Okay, squirrel, would you have the nuts to say this to Mr. Childers?

It's sarcasm. Don't drop your lap top off your high horse.

I thought I would never say this but I AGREE with MD. But I will probably never agree with him again. Carey is a dufuss.

GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(11-24-2017 04:22 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:17 PM)7 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 04:11 PM)7 Wrote:  Based on what? Carey made Childers the guy in the first conference game of the season this year. He made Hare the guy after the Northwestern game.

Again, there's just no basis for what you're saying.

The point is, decisions need to be made before the season and not fluctuating during the season. This should not be much to ask! You know, coaches being coaches? Part of the problem is Carey's philosophy has become so conservative and fearful of the mistake, a true QB skillset is never on display or has a chance to develop. Thus, he can't evaluate QB talent in a system where QB skills are not desired. Its just infuriating because unless there is a coaching change, this is never changing.

This just isn't true lol. This system is so unbelievably QB friendly it's not even funny.

Maddie was a WR in fall ball last year and in his first start had 450 total yards. If you can run, throw a deep ball, and not be a complete idiot with the ball (Santa), this offense works.

The issue this year was none of the QBs were good. The only truly talented guy in that room turned the ball over like it's going out of style.

Name 1 QB that has progressed and shown improvement under Carey. Thanks for playing.

Lynch? Hare?

Do you forget Lynch threw for -1 yards in the second half of his first start? Do you remember how bad Hare was on deep balls his first year?

The system and coaching isn't the main issue, they just didn't have any talent this year.

Lynch's first start, first year, were under Doeren, not Carey. He improved under Doeren.

Considering that a Freshman who was the #3 QB at the season's start proved to be the best available and only played in 8-9 games, an 8-4 season is a reasonable conclusion. lets hope that the bowl game will be a few weeks off so the teams gets time to heal up and prepare.

A strong showing in the bowl game would be a real springboard into next season for the offense if Childress performs well.

After watching this mess called an offense the past 2 or 3 years I can understand why Carey cannot make a decision on QBs. NIU's offense is so primitive and so limited, that it does not require enough QB skills to even be put on display. Honestly watching this, its hard to say who is the best QB among some of the NIU QBs so I understand the decision is hard on who to start. But IT IS THIS WAY, because NIU runs such a primitive, conservative offense. A QB cannot emerge and develop in this program until the entire offense and offensive approach gets reinvented. Just watching an opposing QB come into the game it feels like that QB is playing with 2 arms instead of one arm tied behind the back like NIU QBs

8-4 season because they beat Nebraska with Santa playing. Who did Childers play against and beat that was any good?

If you told us before the season that this team would beat Nebraska, go 8 and 4 and be in contention for the MACC on the last day we would have said hell yeah. However it became apparent that this team quite possibly could have gone 12-0 with a decent QB so in that context the season is a disappointment. Also there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel with our QBs, they all have major flaws. Here's how I see them shaking out:
Ryan Graham
Pros: makes good decisions, is the best runner of the three
Cons: can't stay healthy, wildly inaccurate on basic throws

Santa
Pros: great touch on the deep ball, has the IT factor according to the coaches
Cons: does t run at all so that part of our offense is missing, throws lots of picks

Childers
Pros: makes good decisions for the most part, can extend plays with his feet
Cons: not a dynamic runner, can't complete a ball beyond 8 yards to save his life. Childers is OK at most things and great at none of them.

I am a firm believer in every players' ability to develop and know the guys are working hard and doing their best but the fact remains that the QB position is holding the team back and all of ours have major flaws to overcome. The idea of playing a freshman next year for the fourth consecutive season is super unappealing. I think the coaches need to look hard at JUCOs and grad transfers.

NIU did not beat a team with a winning record this season, but at least they were competitive because of the defense. Of the 4 losses, 3 of them were within 7 points (10 points - Toledo). This has been the Montra of the Carey era, and is extended into the bowl season.

This team NEEDS to win the bowl game this year, regardless if its a sun belt team or not.

Agree with seven, a good voice of reason.
NIU improved greatly from last season and won many close games instead of losing them.
8 wins, with a B1G win, is a good season.
Would have been very excited with 9 wins and a share of the MAC West title.
This almost happened.
Winning the Bowl game would be a step up for this program(although I would have preferred a MAC West title, and even better a win over Toledo.)

I like to see consistency in our FB program like Ohio.
I like to see talent developing like Childers and our RB's.
I like that we have avoided the pitfalls of BGSU.
I like that we are still contenders for the MAC West and are likely to be so next year as well.
I like to see NIU winning more than 65% of our FB games.
I like to see the continued online fan support.
Thank-you Huskie John for your excellent work.
Am thankful for the continued success of NIU FB.
For the few and limited resources Rod Carey has he has produced another B1G team performance on a MAC budget.
He outperformed WMU's coach with less resources and less talent.

Would like to see increased student fan support.
Would like to see more incentive bonuses to assistant coaches.
Would like to see this a FB team play with more confidence and make less mistakes.
Would like to see other sports at NIU either emulate NIU's FB success.

WMU's starting QB got injured, we played against his backup. Not sure we really did better than them. Let's be real here.

(11-24-2017 05:19 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  NIU did not beat a team with a winning record this season, but at least they were competitive because of the defense. Of the 4 losses, 3 of them were within 7 points (10 points - Toledo). This has been the Montra of the Carey era, and is extended into the bowl season.

This team NEEDS to win the bowl game this year, regardless if its a sun belt team or not.

It is tough to win without a passing game.

For all the good Dave Doeren did for NIU it’s too bad he had to bring over Rod.

(11-24-2017 05:43 PM)sterling1man Wrote:  Agree with seven, a good voice of reason.
NIU improved greatly from last season and won many close games instead of losing them.
8 wins, with a B1G win, is a good season.
Would have been very excited with 9 wins and a share of the MAC West title.
This almost happened.
Winning the Bowl game would be a step up for this program(although I would have preferred a MAC West title, and even better a win over Toledo.)

I like to see consistency in our FB program like Ohio.
I like to see talent developing like Childers and our RB's.
I like that we have avoided the pitfalls of BGSU.
I like that we are still contenders for the MAC West and are likely to be so next year as well.
I like to see NIU winning more than 65% of our FB games.
I like to see the continued online fan support.
Thank-you Huskie John for your excellent work.
Am thankful for the continued success of NIU FB.
For the few and limited resources Rod Carey has he has produced another B1G team performance on a MAC budget.
He outperformed WMU's coach with less resources and less talent.

Would like to see increased student fan support.
Would like to see more incentive bonuses to assistant coaches.
Would like to see this a FB team play with more confidence and make less mistakes.
Would like to see other sports at NIU either emulate NIU's FB success.

Just for the love of all that is holy, run a modern day offense capable of moving the ball on a consistent basis. An offense where receivers run real pass routes, an offense where 2nd and 7 is not an automatic QB draw into the middle of a really big pile, an offense where a knee is not taken every time the clock is under 3 mins to play in a half. NIU had a championship defense this year, but it was abused by the primitive offense. I beg you Coach Carey, please take offense seriously, it matters.

Offensive play calling was horrible.
Offensive line was weak today.
I didn't realize how slow and afraid of contact Childers was.
I really hate it when he heads to the sideline instead of turning up field and diving for two or three yards.
Defense played the second half like they were in a bowl game.
I really fear getting killed in a bowl game again.
8-5 would be a real bummer.
How many big plays did the D give up in the second half?

(11-24-2017 06:49 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  Offensive play calling was horrible.
Offensive line was weak today.
I didn't realize how slow and afraid of contact Childers was.
I really hate it when he heads to the sideline instead of turning up field and diving for two or three yards.
Defense played the second half like they were in a bowl game.
I really fear getting killed in a bowl game again.
8-5 would be a real bummer.
How many big plays did the D give up in the second half?

I hope we play a 6-6,7-5 team. No way in hell do I want to play a good team this year. We will get Killed. Like someone else said. Play a decent team, get a W and use it as a momentum builder with recruits and going into next season

(11-24-2017 06:29 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 05:19 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  If you told us before the season that this team would beat Nebraska, go 8 and 4 and be in contention for the MACC on the last day we would have said hell yeah. However it became apparent that this team quite possibly could have gone 12-0 with a decent QB so in that context the season is a disappointment. Also there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel with our QBs, they all have major flaws. Here's how I see them shaking out:
Ryan Graham
Pros: makes good decisions, is the best runner of the three
Cons: can't stay healthy, wildly inaccurate on basic throws

Santa
Pros: great touch on the deep ball, has the IT factor according to the coaches
Cons: does t run at all so that part of our offense is missing, throws lots of picks

Childers
Pros: makes good decisions for the most part, can extend plays with his feet
Cons: not a dynamic runner, can't complete a ball beyond 8 yards to save his life. Childers is OK at most things and great at none of them.

I am a firm believer in every players' ability to develop and know the guys are working hard and doing their best but the fact remains that the QB position is holding the team back and all of ours have major flaws to overcome. The idea of playing a freshman next year for the fourth consecutive season is super unappealing. I think the coaches need to look hard at JUCOs and grad transfers.

I think you are spot on there. Two years ago they tried to add Collins and last year they were chasing Bolin. I think they know the QB room is lacking but for whatever reason this staff cannot seem to land the right guy. There have been some great recruiting wins and transfers across the roster but they keep striking out at QB which is arguably the most important position.

I think the big point though is that no qb could be successful in this offense right now It goes deeper than one player much deeper. It's the whole offensive system.

Childers has things to work on and I hope he puts in the work.

It's unfortunate but I keep playing that what if game with Maddie. We have him this season I think we are prolly a one loss team (we would have **** the bed sometime), but looked good on offense and the defense would have kept us in every game.

(11-24-2017 06:29 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

(11-24-2017 05:19 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  If you told us before the season that this team would beat Nebraska, go 8 and 4 and be in contention for the MACC on the last day we would have said hell yeah. However it became apparent that this team quite possibly could have gone 12-0 with a decent QB so in that context the season is a disappointment. Also there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel with our QBs, they all have major flaws. Here's how I see them shaking out:
Ryan Graham
Pros: makes good decisions, is the best runner of the three
Cons: can't stay healthy, wildly inaccurate on basic throws

Santa
Pros: great touch on the deep ball, has the IT factor according to the coaches
Cons: does t run at all so that part of our offense is missing, throws lots of picks

Childers
Pros: makes good decisions for the most part, can extend plays with his feet
Cons: not a dynamic runner, can't complete a ball beyond 8 yards to save his life. Childers is OK at most things and great at none of them.

I am a firm believer in every players' ability to develop and know the guys are working hard and doing their best but the fact remains that the QB position is holding the team back and all of ours have major flaws to overcome. The idea of playing a freshman next year for the fourth consecutive season is super unappealing. I think the coaches need to look hard at JUCOs and grad transfers.

I think you are spot on there. Two years ago they tried to add Collins and last year they were chasing Bolin. I think they know the QB room is lacking but for whatever reason this staff cannot seem to land the right guy. There have been some great recruiting wins and transfers across the roster but they keep striking out at QB which is arguably the most important position.

The reason they strike out, it's a horrid system for qbs. NIU would be like signing a death sentence for a QB. Word is out on that

(11-24-2017 05:19 PM)NIU1981 Wrote:  If you told us before the season that this team would beat Nebraska, go 8 and 4 and be in contention for the MACC on the last day we would have said hell yeah. However it became apparent that this team quite possibly could have gone 12-0 with a decent QB so in that context the season is a disappointment. Also there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel with our QBs, they all have major flaws. Here's how I see them shaking out:
Ryan Graham
Pros: makes good decisions, is the best runner of the three
Cons: can't stay healthy, wildly inaccurate on basic throws

Santa
Pros: great touch on the deep ball, has the IT factor according to the coaches
Cons: does t run at all so that part of our offense is missing, throws lots of picks

Childers
Pros: makes good decisions for the most part, can extend plays with his feet
Cons: not a dynamic runner, can't complete a ball beyond 8 yards to save his life. Childers is OK at most things and great at none of them.

I am a firm believer in every players' ability to develop and know the guys are working hard and doing their best but the fact remains that the QB position is holding the team back and all of ours have major flaws to overcome. The idea of playing a freshman next year for the fourth consecutive season is super unappealing. I think the coaches need to look hard at JUCOs and grad transfers.

Good post.

BTW you said that Santa has the IT factor according to the coaches; I must have missed that one; do you know what that means?

Anyway I agree about having another FR QB next year starting is a major concern. As much as I hope that Hall MAY be the QB of the future, we know that there are major issues with FR QBs, which is certainly not unique to NIU. One of the best QBs in NIU history (Harnish) certainly did not look anywhere near the part in his RS FR year. Other than 2 TD drives today Childers was just plain bad. As much as I hope he will improve in the off season, he has miles to go, as shown as definitively shown by the last 2 games. Absent a JUCO or grad transfer, where are we at next year? That is not really a reassuring thought.