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The Big East's overall record through December 10th is 77-18 (81% winning percentage)
The conference's record vs the 5 major football conferences is 19-13.
12-10-2017 09:02 PM
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to me most impressive for the Big East has been the performance vs the 7 multi bid conferences that will get almost every single at large spot.... going into last week 35/36 projected...
#1 ACC 28-17
#2 Big East 21-14
#3 Big 12 18-13
#4 AAC 16-16
#5 SEC 18-22
#6 Pac 12 13-19
#7 Big Ten 17-30
(oh and before folks complain about the AAC being included, know that if you take the AAC out, the Big East becomes #3 behind the Big 12).

The problem that the Big East has though IMO is that the teams in the 5-8 range aren't set up for tourney possibilities. Only 5 teams right now could finish 9-9 in conference play and feel safe about getting in the tourney- Nova, Xavier, Seton Hall, Creighton, and Butler. St John's depends on who they beat. Providence and Marquette aren't likely at all. And 8-10 you can take out Creighton and Butler as well. (and Georgetown really needs at least 10 or 11 wins to get in with their OOC schedule). This year really looks like it'll be better record wise for the conference, fewer bids, but better bids in the tourney.
12-10-2017 11:25 PM
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(12-10-2017 11:25 PM)stever20 Wrote:  to me most impressive for the Big East has been the performance vs the 7 multi bid conferences that will get almost every single at large spot.... going into last week 35/36 projected...
#1 ACC 28-17
#2 Big East 21-14
#3 Big 12 18-13
#4 AAC 16-16
#5 SEC 18-22
#6 Pac 12 13-19
#7 Big Ten 17-30
(oh and before folks complain about the AAC being included, know that if you take the AAC out, the Big East becomes #3 behind the Big 12).

The problem that the Big East has though IMO is that the teams in the 5-8 range aren't set up for tourney possibilities. Only 5 teams right now could finish 9-9 in conference play and feel safe about getting in the tourney- Nova, Xavier, Seton Hall, Creighton, and Butler. St John's depends on who they beat. Providence and Marquette aren't likely at all. And 8-10 you can take out Creighton and Butler as well. (and Georgetown really needs at least 10 or 11 wins to get in with their OOC schedule). This year really looks like it'll be better record wise for the conference, fewer bids, but better bids in the tourney.

So, let me get this straight: last year, your argument was that - despite the league getting 7 bids into the NCAA Tournament - the Big East was still overrated because a majority of the bids were not high and it was unlikely they would advance far into the tournament. This year, you are critiquing the Big East for only having five bids, but still acknowledge that the bids will be high.

01-wingedeagle

It's reasons like this why posters get so frustrated with your logic. Not only are you literally looking for ways to critique and attack the conference - which is truly just bizarre - you are arguing two sides of the same coin in your arguments against the Big East.
12-11-2017 10:02 PM
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The thing is GW with only 10 teams, it really is mostly an either/or proposition. The conference while it's only right now .023 behind the Big 12, isn't positioned anywhere near as well for getting the big bids.

I've said from day 1, I'd 100% rather have a year like what the Big East looks very possible this year- with 3 uber elite teams, than having the mediocrity that the league had last year where 3rd place team was 10-8. It sets you up MUCH stronger for the tourney. But for some folks, the way the league is trending isn't good though- as getting much more than 5 is going to be really tough. I mean look at the top 3 teams the first 4 years and their conference records(remember 48-6 is what the records would be if they didn't lose to anyone in the 4-10 range)
2014- 4 bids- went 40-14
2015- 6 bids- went 40-14
2016- 5 bids went 42-12
2017- 7 bids- went 37-17

I would be shocked with how good Nova, Xavier, and Seton Hall are if they are worse than 42-12. And frankly, I think 44-45 wins very possible for those 3 teams combined. And that's going to really limit how many teams get in the tourney.
12-11-2017 10:50 PM
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(12-11-2017 10:50 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The thing is GW with only 10 teams, it really is mostly an either/or proposition. The conference while it's only right now .023 behind the Big 12, isn't positioned anywhere near as well for getting the big bids.

I've said from day 1, I'd 100% rather have a year like what the Big East looks very possible this year- with 3 uber elite teams, than having the mediocrity that the league had last year where 3rd place team was 10-8. It sets you up MUCH stronger for the tourney. But for some folks, the way the league is trending isn't good though- as getting much more than 5 is going to be really tough. I mean look at the top 3 teams the first 4 years and their conference records(remember 48-6 is what the records would be if they didn't lose to anyone in the 4-10 range)
2014- 4 bids- went 40-14
2015- 6 bids- went 40-14
2016- 5 bids went 42-12
2017- 7 bids- went 37-17

I would be shocked with how good Nova, Xavier, and Seton Hall are if they are worse than 42-12. And frankly, I think 44-45 wins very possible for those 3 teams combined. And that's going to really limit how many teams get in the tourney.

For some folks? You mean like yourself or fans from other inferior conferences?

The league is doing great haha. Not only has it surpassed expectations since reorganizing, it is legitimately and accurately reflected as one of the top basketball conferences in the country by an overwhelming majority of fans, reporters and sports personalities. Even last week, ESPN - the same ESPN that tried to kill the conference -
acknowledged that the Big East was vastly superior to the AAC, and promoted the return of UConn to the conference. No amount of data manipulation can change the fact that the Big East has remained one of the top basketball conferences in the country, and will continue to be one despite the hopes of "some folks".
12-12-2017 10:04 AM
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The thing is, some people think getting more bids is the true measure of a conference strength. I personally think having "only" 5, but having them seeded the way it looks very reasonable to see this year- is much better for the conference. I think depth is WAY overrated. Give me Big East 2018 over Big East 2017 any day of the week, even if it's only 5 bids to 7 bids last year.
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I just love folks who think the ONLY measure of how good a conference is quite frankly is # of teams in the tourney.

Sorry but if Big East got 4 teams in- but they were 1,2,2,9 seeds- I'd take that 100% over 7 mediocre bids like last year. This would go down to me as the best Big East season since realignment by a wide margin.
12-13-2017 02:30 PM
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Bad day for the Big East going 1-4. Seton Hall and Georgetown blow late leads to Rutgers and Syracuse.
12-16-2017 07:24 PM
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yeah, but end of the day pretty meaningless. Nova, Xavier, Seton Hall, and Creighton well positioned. Butler was likely going to need 9 conference wins regardless. Georgetown is pretty much doa. DePaul same thing. Today really doesn't change a thing for me looking at the conference long term this year.
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Very frustrating game against Rutgers. I don't understand why Willard insists on rotating 4 bench players into the game when we have a 10+ point lead. Every time he did that, the lead evaporated. If you're going to rotate, do it a couple at a time - not the entire team!!
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