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I'd have to definitely agree with that. Seems like he is the difference between our NCAA tournament team and whatever we have had last season & now.

We've had no one with nearly the on the court leadership as brown. Cokley is fiery on the court, but he doesn't strike me as a leader of the team. Norton is a floor general, but again, he doesn't seem like the team leader type. I'd laugh in your face if you suggest Lee is a leader of the team. He doesn't care to show up at least half of the time.

Cokley has made very nice improvements in his game. Norton has gotten better, but was set back by the injury. Our collective team has taken a nosedive though. This is one big area where I see that Davis has an advantage over Haase/Ehsan. The latter recruit well, but their core groups have actually gotten worse overtime. Davis really developed some great players for us out of nothing.

I can't describe how disappointed I am in Lee in particular, and this core group of players as a whole to a lesser extent.

(11-23-2017 12:55 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  We've had no one with nearly the on the court leadership as brown. Cokley is fiery on the court, but he doesn't strike me as a leader of the team. Norton is a floor general, but again, he doesn't seem like the team leader type. I'd laugh in your face if you suggest Lee is a leader of the team. He doesn't care to show up at least half of the time.

Cokley has made very nice improvements in his game. Norton has gotten better, but was set back by the injury. Our collective team has taken a nosedive though. This is one big area where I see that Davis has an advantage over Haase/Ehsan. The latter recruit well, but their core groups have actually gotten worse overtime. Davis really developed some great players for us out of nothing.

I can't describe how disappointed I am in Lee in particular, and this core group of players as a whole to a lesser extent.

Cokley,Darling,and Sullivan that about it.


Haase latter recruiting years is close to Davis latter recruiting years in terms of player production.

(11-22-2017 08:25 PM)Shrack Wrote:  I mean it's pretty clear so far that Ehsan is in above his head a bit. He might turn out to be a good head coach later, but it seems like it is too much learning on the job and do we really want to keep chancing it on coaches who need a couple years to learn? The AD shouldn't have listened to the fans imo and should've hired an established head coach looking to move up

I hope he turns it around though, but I just don't have high hopes after last year and this tournament so far

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The AD wasn't going to hire an established HC. We are damn lucky we don't have an FBI probe here with one of the guys he wanted..... Just sayin'

Its simple. If everyone wants the coach gone you better open your wallet step and pay for it because the University isn't. Pay for the buyout of the HC and assistants and get ready to pay more out of YOUR pocket for a more experienced guy.

Since I doubt maybe more that one or two of you would do HCRE will be here for the length of his contract unless we REALLY tank (and the real money folks get pissed) and I don't see hat happening.

I'll show up and support this TEAM. We all know how not showing up works out. It simply doesn't at our level. I'm not gonna stress over it because there is nothing I can do about it. I'll go to the games and hope we have improvement which I think we will and enjoy the game of basketball.

We would have had to go undefeated and lose one game for an at large so it's really about seeding for the tourney and winning three games in three days in an empty building.

Have a great Thanksgiving.

We will probably "improve" as the season goes on, but if that means we are 5 games over .500 at the end of the year after playing this crappy schedule with this talented, experienced roster, what does it really mean? We might as well go 0-32.

You also insinuate if we aren't going to pay the coach's salary that we have no right to complain. That's pretty messed up. Our team sucks, when it shouldn't suck. We have a right to complain.

The team does not suck.

(11-23-2017 02:31 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  The team does not suck.

It's basically 2-3 right now.

No one is stopping anyone from complaining and the team does not “suck”. I’m just saying that going on and on about changing coaches right now is useless. We are not changing coaches unless there is something unethical or illegal he does. Getting behind the team and attending games is important for the program.

I damn sure am not happy being 3-3 but we were not getting an at large anyway. I want to see us correct a few things and go in a year and get back to where we belong.

Our goal should be regular season champs, tourney champs, and post season. All sill very much in play.

It doesn't suck because it has a bunch of 3 stars on it. Or the coaches do jury still out?

They are bad to mediocre right now.. we got blown out by a team that got destroyed by Jacksonville State. We gave up 90+ two games in a row. That's pretty close to sucking, especially when we have core of talented, tested, experienced four year players. If you want a moral victory by saying we don't suck that's fine, but our team is bad and completely irrelevant in college basketball right now. No excuse for that. Why would fans want to show up to see a team whose coach doesn't teach fundamental defense and whose most talented player plays like he doesn't care half the time?

(11-23-2017 03:18 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  They are bad to mediocre right now.. we got blown out by a team that got destroyed by Jacksonville State. We gave up 90+ two games in a row. That's pretty close to sucking, especially when we have core of talented, tested, experienced four year players

Maybe HCRE needs to hire Ray Harper to be that crusty old defensive minded guy.

(11-23-2017 03:20 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 03:18 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  They are bad to mediocre right now.. we got blown out by a team that got destroyed by Jacksonville State. We gave up 90+ two games in a row. That's pretty close to sucking, especially when we have core of talented, tested, experienced four year players

Maybe HCRE needs to hire Ray Harper to be that crusty old defensive minded guy.

Something along those lines should've happened months ago, but our program put on the blinders and blamed all of our issues on nortons injury

(11-23-2017 01:22 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 08:25 PM)Shrack Wrote:  I mean it's pretty clear so far that Ehsan is in above his head a bit. He might turn out to be a good head coach later, but it seems like it is too much learning on the job and do we really want to keep chancing it on coaches who need a couple years to learn? The AD shouldn't have listened to the fans imo and should've hired an established head coach looking to move up

I hope he turns it around though, but I just don't have high hopes after last year and this tournament so far

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The AD wasn't going to hire an established HC. We are damn lucky we don't have an FBI probe here with one of the guys he wanted..... Just sayin'

Its simple. If everyone wants the coach gone you better open your wallet step and pay for it because the University isn't. Pay for the buyout of the HC and assistants and get ready to pay more out of YOUR pocket for a more experienced guy.

Since I doubt maybe more that one or two of you would do HCRE will be here for the length of his contract unless we REALLY tank (and the real money folks get pissed) and I don't see hat happening.

I'll show up and support this TEAM. We all know how not showing up works out. It simply doesn't at our level. I'm not gonna stress over it because there is nothing I can do about it. I'll go to the games and hope we have improvement which I think we will and enjoy the game of basketball.

We would have had to go undefeated and lose one game for an at large so it's really about seeding for the tourney and winning three games in three days in an empty building.

Have a great Thanksgiving.

What does that mean? Are you saying attendance DID have something to do with football being shut down and it could happen to basketball? I don't think that's accurate. Consumers of a product vote with their wallets and feet. It's the producer's responsibility to keep that from happening. College basketball is an entertainment business and UAB fans are no different from other humans.

(11-23-2017 03:18 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  They are bad to mediocre right now.. we got blown out by a team that got destroyed by Jacksonville State. We gave up 90+ two games in a row. That's pretty close to sucking, especially when we have core of talented, tested, experienced four year players. If you want a moral victory by saying we don't suck that's fine, but our team is bad and completely irrelevant in college basketball right now. No excuse for that. Why would fans want to show up to see a team whose coach doesn't teach fundamental defense and whose most talented player plays like he doesn't care half the time?

The team lost three games. They played bad in only one game. And I don't consider a 13 point loss a blowout.

The fact that we are irrelevant has nothing to do with who the coach is or who the coach used to be. It has more to do with the conference we are in, and the general landscape of college basketball.

Work to get better. See if we can win the conference regular season & get the auto NIT bid regardless.

Figure out a way to win the conference tournament & make the big dance.

Nothing we have done up until this point has ruled out any of those goals.

(11-23-2017 03:49 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 03:18 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  They are bad to mediocre right now.. we got blown out by a team that got destroyed by Jacksonville State. We gave up 90+ two games in a row. That's pretty close to sucking, especially when we have core of talented, tested, experienced four year players. If you want a moral victory by saying we don't suck that's fine, but our team is bad and completely irrelevant in college basketball right now. No excuse for that. Why would fans want to show up to see a team whose coach doesn't teach fundamental defense and whose most talented player plays like he doesn't care half the time?

The team lost three games. They played bad in only one game. And I don't consider a 13 point loss a blowout.

The fact that we are irrelevant has nothing to do with who the coach is or who the coach used to be. It has more to do with the conference we are in, and the general landscape of college basketball.

Sorry, but that's crap. We are irrelevant because we play ****** basketball and don't win meaningful games anymore. Even in this version of CUSA, UAB has had chances to be relevant again and we blew it. We were getting some nice pub after beating Iowa State but we came out and lost to anybody with a pulse. By Christmas it was back to obscurity. We'll be there until we start winning games that matter.

Why has MTSU's program improved while in CUSA? Because they win meaningful games, including two title games in our home city. UAB had a chance to get it going again and blew it.

(11-23-2017 04:02 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 03:49 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 03:18 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  They are bad to mediocre right now.. we got blown out by a team that got destroyed by Jacksonville State. We gave up 90+ two games in a row. That's pretty close to sucking, especially when we have core of talented, tested, experienced four year players. If you want a moral victory by saying we don't suck that's fine, but our team is bad and completely irrelevant in college basketball right now. No excuse for that. Why would fans want to show up to see a team whose coach doesn't teach fundamental defense and whose most talented player plays like he doesn't care half the time?

The team lost three games. They played bad in only one game. And I don't consider a 13 point loss a blowout.

The fact that we are irrelevant has nothing to do with who the coach is or who the coach used to be. It has more to do with the conference we are in, and the general landscape of college basketball.

Sorry, but that's crap. We are irrelevant because we play ****** basketball and don't win meaningful games anymore. Even in this version of CUSA, UAB has had chances to be relevant again and we blew it. We were getting some nice pub after beating Iowa State but we came out and lost to anybody with a pulse. By Christmas it was back to obscurity. We'll be there until we start winning games that matter.

Why has MTSU's program improved while in CUSA? Because they win meaningful games, including two title games in our home city. UAB had a chance to get it going again and blew it.

Totally on point. Our conference certainly doesn't help, but we've lost to anyone with any semblance of relevance in college basketball for the past 2 seasons and so far this season. You can still be relevant in a bad conference. MTSU has been very relevant for two seasons.

(11-23-2017 04:02 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 03:49 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 03:18 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  They are bad to mediocre right now.. we got blown out by a team that got destroyed by Jacksonville State. We gave up 90+ two games in a row. That's pretty close to sucking, especially when we have core of talented, tested, experienced four year players. If you want a moral victory by saying we don't suck that's fine, but our team is bad and completely irrelevant in college basketball right now. No excuse for that. Why would fans want to show up to see a team whose coach doesn't teach fundamental defense and whose most talented player plays like he doesn't care half the time?

The team lost three games. They played bad in only one game. And I don't consider a 13 point loss a blowout.

The fact that we are irrelevant has nothing to do with who the coach is or who the coach used to be. It has more to do with the conference we are in, and the general landscape of college basketball.

Sorry, but that's crap. We are irrelevant because we play ****** basketball and don't win meaningful games anymore. Even in this version of CUSA, UAB has had chances to be relevant again and we blew it. We were getting some nice pub after beating Iowa State but we came out and lost to anybody with a pulse. By Christmas it was back to obscurity. We'll be there until we start winning games that matter.

Why has MTSU's program improved while in CUSA? Because they win meaningful games, including two title games in our home city. UAB had a chance to get it going again and blew it.

Nationally Middle Tennessee isn't relevant, even with their success. Proof is the fact that you refer to them by a name that they dislike. They want to be called Middle Tennessee not MTSU. How relevant is that. Winning a couple of tournament games doesn't make you relevant. Being in a power 5 conference with a good tv contract makes you relevant.

We make the tournament and win our first game, and we will be relevant, until we lose. Then we are irrelevant again.

(11-23-2017 04:16 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 04:02 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 03:49 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 03:18 PM)The Answer UAB Wrote:  They are bad to mediocre right now.. we got blown out by a team that got destroyed by Jacksonville State. We gave up 90+ two games in a row. That's pretty close to sucking, especially when we have core of talented, tested, experienced four year players. If you want a moral victory by saying we don't suck that's fine, but our team is bad and completely irrelevant in college basketball right now. No excuse for that. Why would fans want to show up to see a team whose coach doesn't teach fundamental defense and whose most talented player plays like he doesn't care half the time?

The team lost three games. They played bad in only one game. And I don't consider a 13 point loss a blowout.

The fact that we are irrelevant has nothing to do with who the coach is or who the coach used to be. It has more to do with the conference we are in, and the general landscape of college basketball.

Sorry, but that's crap. We are irrelevant because we play ****** basketball and don't win meaningful games anymore. Even in this version of CUSA, UAB has had chances to be relevant again and we blew it. We were getting some nice pub after beating Iowa State but we came out and lost to anybody with a pulse. By Christmas it was back to obscurity. We'll be there until we start winning games that matter.

Why has MTSU's program improved while in CUSA? Because they win meaningful games, including two title games in our home city. UAB had a chance to get it going again and blew it.

Totally on point. Our conference certainly doesn't help, but we've lost to anyone with any semblance of relevance in college basketball for the past 2 seasons and so far this season. You can still be relevant in a bad conference. MTSU has been very relevant for two seasons.

I can't wait to watch Middle Tennessee's highlights on sports center tonight. They are not relevant nationally. Go out and ask ten strangers or even ten basketball fans are who their coach is. You will find out how relevant they are.

By your definition we've been irrelevant since the 80s or 90s. If you ask college basketball fans who MTSU is after the last two seasons.

Who cares if fans of a school get their panties in a wad over what people call them. They are Middle Tennessee State University. MTSU. Simple. It's not like we're calling them Tennessee-Middle, like some people insist on calling us Alabama-Birmingham. It's their schools name. If they are mad at people calling them MTSU, that's pretty stupid IMO.