(11-22-2017 04:33 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 04:29 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 03:45 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 03:33 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  So what's the plan here? To add and drop members because they're down NOW?

We'd be one bad hire away from being sent to Conference USA.

This is stupid.

No, it's smart. To add programs like BYU and Boise with the added TV sets they would bring, I sure would. I would be ruthless in building the AAC brand, because we ain't getting any P5 invites. It's not just that ECU is losing, it's that football is all they have to offer. Terrible at hoops, small tv market, doesn't really fit with the urban footprint of the rest of the AAC.

SEC should drop Vandy. ACC should drop Wake Forest. Those conferences won't do it, but the AAC should. Would show that the AAC isn't resting on its laurels, and wants to keep improving. A college football Darwinism for all to see.

I agree that BSU & BYU would help with the conference standing potentially (P6 idea) but not sure BSU moves the TV ratings needle. You could get all of ID, MT and western WA to tune in & still not move the needle much. And the logistics costs are substantial. Maybe, a western div of BSU, BYU, UH, Tulsa, SMU, Navy & Tulane, moving us east. And then add Gonzaga for Oly sports, we'd legitimately be P6.

For football only, manageable logistics. We fly to all the games anyway.

And BYU and Boise outdraw what their local markets, if that makes any sense.

For whatever reason, it's been decreasing. Last year, Boise's ave. tv viewership or appeal if you will would have placed them 8th in the AAC. The year before they would've been 5th. And, that's with better ESPN guaranteed placement (ESPN and ESPN2) combined with less competition vying for eyeballs in their time slots. Not sure why but less folks are tuning in.

(11-22-2017 09:42 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Adding Boise State alone would be a big deal.

Not to open up the conference realignment box, but throwing out geography, which I do not think you should completely, Boise State and one more eastern school would be big, although is there another G5 school in the same universe recognition wise as BSU? We already have Navy. Army has cultural recognition and likely the most panache out East.

FAU and the like just do not move any dials period. Nor the Northern Illinois of the world. Only Fresno State, and of course BYU but they think of themselves as Notre Dame.

Air Force maybe...hmmm, add Air Force and Army. Have all three academies...that could be cool.

Add BYU, Boise, Army, and Air Force?

16 fb teams - 2 8 team divisions

9 conference games - all 7 division foes and the rotate the other division home and home 2 teams every 2 years?

Believe it or not, Boise and BYU are great road trips. Been to Utah and Boise many times. Beautiful country with a lot to see. But they are really difficult to get to. You're not getting direct flights from Memphis.

I'd be open to adding those 2, plus Air Force (nice complement to Navy). Then pick one of SDSU or CSU. If you go CSU, then you are not quite as spread out at just 3 time zones. If you go SDSU, you have a San Diego road trip.

Or you just go with a mega alliance with the MWC for all sports. Not really a super-conference, but a scheduling agreement and possibly joint broadcasting negotiations.

We could have 8 AAC games, 2 MWC games, then 2 other independently scheduled games. Rotate the MWC.

(11-22-2017 07:11 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 04:33 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 04:29 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 03:45 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 03:33 PM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  So what's the plan here? To add and drop members because they're down NOW?

We'd be one bad hire away from being sent to Conference USA.

This is stupid.

No, it's smart. To add programs like BYU and Boise with the added TV sets they would bring, I sure would. I would be ruthless in building the AAC brand, because we ain't getting any P5 invites. It's not just that ECU is losing, it's that football is all they have to offer. Terrible at hoops, small tv market, doesn't really fit with the urban footprint of the rest of the AAC.

SEC should drop Vandy. ACC should drop Wake Forest. Those conferences won't do it, but the AAC should. Would show that the AAC isn't resting on its laurels, and wants to keep improving. A college football Darwinism for all to see.

I agree that BSU & BYU would help with the conference standing potentially (P6 idea) but not sure BSU moves the TV ratings needle. You could get all of ID, MT and western WA to tune in & still not move the needle much. And the logistics costs are substantial. Maybe, a western div of BSU, BYU, UH, Tulsa, SMU, Navy & Tulane, moving us east. And then add Gonzaga for Oly sports, we'd legitimately be P6.

For football only, manageable logistics. We fly to all the games anyway.

And BYU and Boise outdraw what their local markets, if that makes any sense.

For whatever reason, it's been decreasing. Last year, Boise's ave. tv viewership or appeal if you will would have placed them 8th in the AAC. The year before they would've been 5th. And, that's with better ESPN guaranteed placement (ESPN and ESPN2) combined with less competition vying for eyeballs in their time slots. Not sure why but less folks are tuning in.

Yep, two factors I see in this with BSU...they are in a very small market - without looking, probably much smaller than anyone in the AAC, & they have not been the underdog darling in several years so folks outside their market don't watch as much, the novelty has worn off since they played OM in the opening week nat'l game several years ago. That said, BSU is a valuable commodity with a consistent success against bigger programs if provided a steady opportunity to be successful. IMO, BSU will have to find a path to better visibility nationwide or face a future like that of Southern Miss. The AAC could be that path. The decision will hinge on whether the AAC see BSU adding value to the AAC.

(11-22-2017 09:42 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Adding Boise State alone would be a big deal.

Not to open up the conference realignment box, but throwing out geography, which I do not think you should completely, Boise State and one more eastern school would be big, although is there another G5 school in the same universe recognition wise as BSU? We already have Navy. Army has cultural recognition and likely the most panache out East.

FAU and the like just do not move any dials period. Nor the Northern Illinois of the world. Only Fresno State, and of course BYU but they think of themselves as Notre Dame.

Air Force maybe...hmmm, add Air Force and Army. Have all three academies...that could be cool.

Truly would be the American then ??️?️??

(11-22-2017 08:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:11 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 04:33 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 04:29 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 03:45 PM)Tigx Wrote:  No, it's smart. To add programs like BYU and Boise with the added TV sets they would bring, I sure would. I would be ruthless in building the AAC brand, because we ain't getting any P5 invites. It's not just that ECU is losing, it's that football is all they have to offer. Terrible at hoops, small tv market, doesn't really fit with the urban footprint of the rest of the AAC.

SEC should drop Vandy. ACC should drop Wake Forest. Those conferences won't do it, but the AAC should. Would show that the AAC isn't resting on its laurels, and wants to keep improving. A college football Darwinism for all to see.

I agree that BSU & BYU would help with the conference standing potentially (P6 idea) but not sure BSU moves the TV ratings needle. You could get all of ID, MT and western WA to tune in & still not move the needle much. And the logistics costs are substantial. Maybe, a western div of BSU, BYU, UH, Tulsa, SMU, Navy & Tulane, moving us east. And then add Gonzaga for Oly sports, we'd legitimately be P6.

For football only, manageable logistics. We fly to all the games anyway.

And BYU and Boise outdraw what their local markets, if that makes any sense.

For whatever reason, it's been decreasing. Last year, Boise's ave. tv viewership or appeal if you will would have placed them 8th in the AAC. The year before they would've been 5th. And, that's with better ESPN guaranteed placement (ESPN and ESPN2) combined with less competition vying for eyeballs in their time slots. Not sure why but less folks are tuning in.

Yep, two factors I see in this with BSU...they are in a very small market - without looking, probably much smaller than anyone in the AAC, & they have not been the underdog darling in several years so folks outside their market don't watch as much, the novelty has worn off since they played OM in the opening week nat'l game several years ago. That said, BSU is a valuable commodity with a consistent success against bigger programs if provided a steady opportunity to be successful. IMO, BSU will have to find a path to better visibility nationwide or face a future like that of Southern Miss. The AAC could be that path. The decision will hinge on whether the AAC see BSU adding value to the AAC.

They used to have TCU in their conference, and that made for really good tv. Both of them had good underdog tv draws. Utah and BYU were in the MWC before Boise, so Boise benefited from joining what was already a highly watched football conference when those guys left. Boise simply had immediate success in the league and got a lot of attention.

Thats why I believe it was such a short-sighted blunder on their part to go back to the MWC instead of what would eventually become the AAC. There's no conference to lean on like what they used to have. No Utah / BYU to bring in a ton of national eyeballs.

(11-22-2017 04:16 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 03:27 PM)Tigerbythetail Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 02:15 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:58 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:51 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Not missed a beat? Do you realize how pathetic the MWC has been during that time? You think 25-6 is good while being a member of a conference that was ranked below the sun belt at one point? Boise St was once regarded as BCS bowl level quality. Show me where they have been BCS Bowl level quality since. And please, spare me that they beat Troy this year.

Yes, I think 25-6 in conference is very good. As any sane person does. And Harsin took Boise to the Fiesta Bowl his first year.

Btw, the BCS doesn't exist anymore. And last I checked, Troy isn't in the MWC.

Can't tell if he's arguing just to argue, either. Boise State has won 12, 9, 10 and 9 games over four years. Maybe he's been spoiled by our run, I'm not sure. They won the Fiesta Bowl, lol. Haven't finished lower than 2nd in their conference since 1998. They have future games against Oklahoma State, Florida State and Michigan State. So they schedule nationally. So back to his smart ass "where are we" response: we're in the middle of another fine Boise State season where once again, they haven't gone under. And the American would benefit from adding them. And I recall how high Boise State was. They haven't fallen off the face of the map.

Hmm, let's see, this year they have a marquis win against....SDSU. And were trounced at home by world-beater Virginia.
Last year they had no ranked opponents, and lost to Air Force and Baylor..
2015, again no ranked opponents, losses included Utah St and New Mexico
They did have the Fiesta Bowl win 4 years ago... other than that not much.
Touting their wins over the past 4 years is a red herring; look at who their actual opponents are...
No thanks, we don't need to add teams that will be the featured team at 10:30 East Coast time

marquee* Seriously?

That's all you have, Seriously??

(11-22-2017 09:18 PM)Tigerbythetail Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 04:16 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 03:27 PM)Tigerbythetail Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 02:15 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:58 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Yes, I think 25-6 in conference is very good. As any sane person does. And Harsin took Boise to the Fiesta Bowl his first year.

Btw, the BCS doesn't exist anymore. And last I checked, Troy isn't in the MWC.

Can't tell if he's arguing just to argue, either. Boise State has won 12, 9, 10 and 9 games over four years. Maybe he's been spoiled by our run, I'm not sure. They won the Fiesta Bowl, lol. Haven't finished lower than 2nd in their conference since 1998. They have future games against Oklahoma State, Florida State and Michigan State. So they schedule nationally. So back to his smart ass "where are we" response: we're in the middle of another fine Boise State season where once again, they haven't gone under. And the American would benefit from adding them. And I recall how high Boise State was. They haven't fallen off the face of the map.

Hmm, let's see, this year they have a marquis win against....SDSU. And were trounced at home by world-beater Virginia.
Last year they had no ranked opponents, and lost to Air Force and Baylor..
2015, again no ranked opponents, losses included Utah St and New Mexico
They did have the Fiesta Bowl win 4 years ago... other than that not much.
Touting their wins over the past 4 years is a red herring; look at who their actual opponents are...
No thanks, we don't need to add teams that will be the featured team at 10:30 East Coast time

marquee* Seriously?

That's all you have, Seriously??

How do you think they feel when we play Tulane then get blown out at home by Tulsa? It goes both ways. ANYTHING can happen any given weekend in CFB. I give them a lot of credit for their current run, no matter who they've played. Every team has laced them up and given them their best shot, sort of like us in basketball during the Cal years.

(11-22-2017 09:18 PM)Tigerbythetail Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 04:16 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 03:27 PM)Tigerbythetail Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 02:15 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 01:58 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Yes, I think 25-6 in conference is very good. As any sane person does. And Harsin took Boise to the Fiesta Bowl his first year.

Btw, the BCS doesn't exist anymore. And last I checked, Troy isn't in the MWC.

Can't tell if he's arguing just to argue, either. Boise State has won 12, 9, 10 and 9 games over four years. Maybe he's been spoiled by our run, I'm not sure. They won the Fiesta Bowl, lol. Haven't finished lower than 2nd in their conference since 1998. They have future games against Oklahoma State, Florida State and Michigan State. So they schedule nationally. So back to his smart ass "where are we" response: we're in the middle of another fine Boise State season where once again, they haven't gone under. And the American would benefit from adding them. And I recall how high Boise State was. They haven't fallen off the face of the map.

Hmm, let's see, this year they have a marquis win against....SDSU. And were trounced at home by world-beater Virginia.
Last year they had no ranked opponents, and lost to Air Force and Baylor..
2015, again no ranked opponents, losses included Utah St and New Mexico
They did have the Fiesta Bowl win 4 years ago... other than that not much.
Touting their wins over the past 4 years is a red herring; look at who their actual opponents are...
No thanks, we don't need to add teams that will be the featured team at 10:30 East Coast time

marquee* Seriously?

That's all you have, Seriously??

We went 129-20 or whatever over four years in basketball. Is our schedule a red herring? Gimme a break...

(11-22-2017 08:52 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 08:12 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 07:11 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 04:33 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(11-22-2017 04:29 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  I agree that BSU & BYU would help with the conference standing potentially (P6 idea) but not sure BSU moves the TV ratings needle. You could get all of ID, MT and western WA to tune in & still not move the needle much. And the logistics costs are substantial. Maybe, a western div of BSU, BYU, UH, Tulsa, SMU, Navy & Tulane, moving us east. And then add Gonzaga for Oly sports, we'd legitimately be P6.

For football only, manageable logistics. We fly to all the games anyway.

And BYU and Boise outdraw what their local markets, if that makes any sense.

For whatever reason, it's been decreasing. Last year, Boise's ave. tv viewership or appeal if you will would have placed them 8th in the AAC. The year before they would've been 5th. And, that's with better ESPN guaranteed placement (ESPN and ESPN2) combined with less competition vying for eyeballs in their time slots. Not sure why but less folks are tuning in.

Yep, two factors I see in this with BSU...they are in a very small market - without looking, probably much smaller than anyone in the AAC, & they have not been the underdog darling in several years so folks outside their market don't watch as much, the novelty has worn off since they played OM in the opening week nat'l game several years ago. That said, BSU is a valuable commodity with a consistent success against bigger programs if provided a steady opportunity to be successful. IMO, BSU will have to find a path to better visibility nationwide or face a future like that of Southern Miss. The AAC could be that path. The decision will hinge on whether the AAC see BSU adding value to the AAC.

They used to have TCU in their conference, and that made for really good tv. Both of them had good underdog tv draws. Utah and BYU were in the MWC before Boise, so Boise benefited from joining what was already a highly watched football conference when those guys left. Boise simply had immediate success in the league and got a lot of attention.

Thats why I believe it was such a short-sighted blunder on their part to go back to the MWC instead of what would eventually become the AAC. There's no conference to lean on like what they used to have. No Utah / BYU to bring in a ton of national eyeballs.

One would think they'd draw better against AAC competition. However, they wouldn't get their special deal with guaranteed games on ESPN or ESPN2 and have play on ESPNU and NEWS. Currently, they only outdraw the private schools in the Western division. That's rough going to have to be perfect or near perfect in order to garner mid-level AAC west interest.

*sigh*

UCF will demolish USF.

Memphis will demolish ECU.

The AAC conference champion will go to the access bowl and Boise State will not.

And we're never going to add BSU or BYU to the AAC. They had their chance and didn't take it. They might get a better TV deal but it would be offset by huge travel costs. Not gonna happen.

(11-23-2017 08:05 PM)TOGC Wrote:  *sigh*

UCF will demolish USF.

Memphis will demolish ECU.

The AAC conference champion will go to the access bowl and Boise State will not.

And we're never going to add BSU or BYU to the AAC. They had their chance and didn't take it. They might get a better TV deal but it would be offset by huge travel costs. Not gonna happen.

I agree that they would not be worth adding for TV alone, but only if it helps you gain P6 status. THAT is priceless and worth any amount of travel.