(11-23-2017 06:10 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 05:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 10:35 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 04:20 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 12:26 AM)JRsec Wrote:  That's what they said about Pat Dye. Dye was who Bear thought should follow him. And don't be so sure when it comes to the other amenities. Size of staff, facilities, and a budget 50 million more than Clemson's all count.

The difference there is Pat Dye got a huge promotion to come to Auburn. He would have been crazy not to take it. Dabo would be making a lateral move.

There's a chance more money could be on the table, but Clemson did just win a title. They are the quintessential football school so they'll spend whatever they need to make it work. Unless the financial situation really starts hindering him then I don't see him leaving unless he gets offered the sweetheart deal at Bama. I'm not 100% certain he would leave even for Bama although I suspect he would.

Fisher, by contrast, is a person I think would be interested in moving and doing it soon. He has a lot of connections to the area as well....played and coached at Samford, coached at Auburn. Outside of a very short stint at Cincinnati, he's done nothing but coach at Samford, SEC schools, and Florida State. He may be from West Virginia, but he's never strayed too far from this part of the country.

Only an Alabama fan would call it a lateral move. One is a top 15 program historically, top 10 in revenue, and in the SEC. The other is not.

You have to earn more to spend more. Most years Auburn earns between 50-60 million more than Clemson. We had a title in 2011 and played for another in 2013. So there's not much difference there. Well, there's one difference. Tennessee is looking for a good new coach and South Carolina is improving along with Virginia Tech and possibly N.C. State. What that means ATU is that the conditions that permitted this brief interim of Clemson success may be turning again. By contrast Auburn, even while in the SEC West, has been stable in its ability to recruit. With Florida State down that might bode well for Clemson, but the talent rich part of the state of Florida is showing life again, Miami. So the cushy spot Clemson finds itself in right now might not be so comfortable in a year or two. And remember in college football the coaches that cash in on success tend to endure longer than those who stay too long. The days of Neyland, Bryant, Jordan & Dooley are long gone. Nick has nowhere else to go and he's looking at retirement. But he moved while he was hot from Michigan State to L.S.U. to Alabama. And by your way of thinking L.S.U. at that time would have been a lateral move from Michigan State, except for, .....oh yeah,.....the money.

Hey, Clemson just won a title and might be in the CFP 3 straight years. I was giving Auburn a compliment.

Anyway, I wouldn't call Michigan State to LSU a lateral move. Outside 2 or maybe 3 programs, the B1G has nothing but average coaching jobs. LSU was an upgrade in virtually every way and Saban might well still be there had he not decided to try his hand at the NFL. I mean heck, the once mighty Michigan is about to give Jim Harbaugh a lifetime contract. If that doesn't scream mediocrity then I don't know what does.

Which brings me to my other point, history only takes you so far. At that, Auburn's history is certainly above average, but it's really not that far ahead of Clemson. Historically, they're both top 15-20 among current P5 schools in winning percentage.

The SEC membership does give Auburn an advantage in money, but it's really not that big of an advantage given so many other programs in the league are raking in big cash. Clemson's advantage is stability. Gene Chizik won a title at Auburn and was gone within 3 years. No chance that's happening to Dabo at Clemson if for no other reason than he's built their current program identity. He's been there since 2008 after all. He can probably coach there as long as he wants and will be paid about as well as anyone to do it. It will be easier for him to win league titles and compete for playoff spots. Unless another serious bump in the gap between SEC and ACC money comes in the next few years, then I don't think Clemson will have trouble funding their football program. South Carolina and Alabama aren't that different when it comes to their passion for football.

In fact, the one and only reason I think he might come back to Alabama is because it's his alma mater and he still loves it as much as he ever did. If the opportunity presented itself then he might do it.

But anyway...

Happy Thanksgiving to you all as well. Stay safe and don't eat too much.

Agree 100%. I could see Swinney leaving for Bama, but that’s the only one. Swinney has a lot of “sweat equity” in his current job. The most significant retainer clause with the Clemson job is that his oldest son is a freshman WR on the team. It was his lifelong dream to play for Clemson. He was raised in Clemson since 2003 and also has 2 younger brothers. It will be hard for Swinney to leave as long as his sons are on the team. He may still leave for Bama, but he’s elevated the job to where we wouldn’t have problems filling the opening with one of the best. My gut feeling is that it would take 5 minutes to hire Venables in that case.

Auburn is 15th and Clemson is 21st. Chizick won his first year with Tubberville recruits. He's a good D.C. and not a bad analyst for ESPN but he couldn't manage a staff. When you start with a Natty and proceed to slide down the scale from there you get fired.

If I'm still around in 10 years and Clemson is still winning with Dabo I'll give them their due and call them a destination school, but the next couple of years will likely tell that story.

It's the NCAA and no modern coach is a lifer. Peterson at Washington is likely the exception if their is one. He puts family first and has a child that takes a priority in his life. The rest are always going to be with you until they aren't.

(11-23-2017 07:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 06:10 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 05:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 10:35 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-23-2017 04:20 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The difference there is Pat Dye got a huge promotion to come to Auburn. He would have been crazy not to take it. Dabo would be making a lateral move.

There's a chance more money could be on the table, but Clemson did just win a title. They are the quintessential football school so they'll spend whatever they need to make it work. Unless the financial situation really starts hindering him then I don't see him leaving unless he gets offered the sweetheart deal at Bama. I'm not 100% certain he would leave even for Bama although I suspect he would.

Fisher, by contrast, is a person I think would be interested in moving and doing it soon. He has a lot of connections to the area as well....played and coached at Samford, coached at Auburn. Outside of a very short stint at Cincinnati, he's done nothing but coach at Samford, SEC schools, and Florida State. He may be from West Virginia, but he's never strayed too far from this part of the country.

Only an Alabama fan would call it a lateral move. One is a top 15 program historically, top 10 in revenue, and in the SEC. The other is not.

You have to earn more to spend more. Most years Auburn earns between 50-60 million more than Clemson. We had a title in 2011 and played for another in 2013. So there's not much difference there. Well, there's one difference. Tennessee is looking for a good new coach and South Carolina is improving along with Virginia Tech and possibly N.C. State. What that means ATU is that the conditions that permitted this brief interim of Clemson success may be turning again. By contrast Auburn, even while in the SEC West, has been stable in its ability to recruit. With Florida State down that might bode well for Clemson, but the talent rich part of the state of Florida is showing life again, Miami. So the cushy spot Clemson finds itself in right now might not be so comfortable in a year or two. And remember in college football the coaches that cash in on success tend to endure longer than those who stay too long. The days of Neyland, Bryant, Jordan & Dooley are long gone. Nick has nowhere else to go and he's looking at retirement. But he moved while he was hot from Michigan State to L.S.U. to Alabama. And by your way of thinking L.S.U. at that time would have been a lateral move from Michigan State, except for, .....oh yeah,.....the money.

Hey, Clemson just won a title and might be in the CFP 3 straight years. I was giving Auburn a compliment.

Anyway, I wouldn't call Michigan State to LSU a lateral move. Outside 2 or maybe 3 programs, the B1G has nothing but average coaching jobs. LSU was an upgrade in virtually every way and Saban might well still be there had he not decided to try his hand at the NFL. I mean heck, the once mighty Michigan is about to give Jim Harbaugh a lifetime contract. If that doesn't scream mediocrity then I don't know what does.

Which brings me to my other point, history only takes you so far. At that, Auburn's history is certainly above average, but it's really not that far ahead of Clemson. Historically, they're both top 15-20 among current P5 schools in winning percentage.

The SEC membership does give Auburn an advantage in money, but it's really not that big of an advantage given so many other programs in the league are raking in big cash. Clemson's advantage is stability. Gene Chizik won a title at Auburn and was gone within 3 years. No chance that's happening to Dabo at Clemson if for no other reason than he's built their current program identity. He's been there since 2008 after all. He can probably coach there as long as he wants and will be paid about as well as anyone to do it. It will be easier for him to win league titles and compete for playoff spots. Unless another serious bump in the gap between SEC and ACC money comes in the next few years, then I don't think Clemson will have trouble funding their football program. South Carolina and Alabama aren't that different when it comes to their passion for football.

In fact, the one and only reason I think he might come back to Alabama is because it's his alma mater and he still loves it as much as he ever did. If the opportunity presented itself then he might do it.

But anyway...

Happy Thanksgiving to you all as well. Stay safe and don't eat too much.

Agree 100%. I could see Swinney leaving for Bama, but that’s the only one. Swinney has a lot of “sweat equity” in his current job. The most significant retainer clause with the Clemson job is that his oldest son is a freshman WR on the team. It was his lifelong dream to play for Clemson. He was raised in Clemson since 2003 and also has 2 younger brothers. It will be hard for Swinney to leave as long as his sons are on the team. He may still leave for Bama, but he’s elevated the job to where we wouldn’t have problems filling the opening with one of the best. My gut feeling is that it would take 5 minutes to hire Venables in that case.

Auburn is 15th and Clemson is 21st. Chizick won his first year with Tubberville recruits. He's a good D.C. and not a bad analyst for ESPN but he couldn't manage a staff. When you start with a Natty and proceed to slide down the scale from there you get fired.

If I'm still around in 10 years and Clemson is still winning with Dabo I'll give them their due and call them a destination school, but the next couple of years will likely tell that story.

It's the NCAA and no modern coach is a lifer. Peterson at Washington is likely the exception if their is one. He puts family first and has a child that takes a priority in his life. The rest are always going to be with you until they aren't.

Peterson is a great guy.

Dabo is not leaving Clemson.

Malzahn is not going to Arkansas.

(11-25-2017 04:23 PM)Guardian Wrote:  Dabo is not leaving Clemson.

Malzahn is not going to Arkansas.

Dabo ain’t leaving, but Arkansas has a shot at Malzahan.

What hurts my hogs is Malzahan staying put, with both Chip Kelly, Dan Mullen and Frost passing on open SEC jobs. Norvell and Leach then become hot commodities as Florida, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Arkansas and Ole Miss would need to fill their Head Coach spots. Now guys like Petrino, Kiffen, the SMU coach and Troy coach get looked at; possibly Iowa State’s HC too.

Costs are going to rise quickly.

(11-25-2017 04:23 PM)Guardian Wrote:  Dabo is not leaving Clemson.

Malzahn is not going to Arkansas.

This...

Dabo will leave Clemson when the UA job opens up, at which point he won't walk but run to Tuscaloosa.

Malzahn would be a fool to go to Arkansas, but he has made crazier decisions before.

(11-25-2017 09:18 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(11-25-2017 04:23 PM)Guardian Wrote:  Dabo is not leaving Clemson.

Malzahn is not going to Arkansas.

This...

Dabo will leave Clemson when the UA job opens up, at which point he would be a fool to go to Arkansas, but he has made crazier decisions before.

Too much pressure in Tuscaloosa. He has a great set up at Clemson. He has a self-feeding recruiting program. He really likes it there.