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Toledo and the MACC
This didn't really fit in the Toledo predictions thread so I created a new thread.

Was thinking about Toledo and how their last MAC Championship game was in 2004. Remember Bruce Gradkowski to Lance Moore? They beat Miami 35 - 27 at Ford Field. It was the first MACC at FF.

Since, then 12 seasons have gone by. After Friday, 13.

For their final game, Toledo has had 6 home games and 6 away in that span. They are 6 - 6 in season finales, which may explain their lack of MAC titles in that span. WMU denied them a MACC opportunity the past two years. They are not a great November team.

During that same 12 seasons, WMU has had 6 home and 6 away. WMU is 6 - 6 in season finales in that span. Cubit was 4 - 4 and PJ was 2 - 2.
WMU is not a great November team either.

One team that has been good in November is NIU, although they are 3 - 4 in MACC games. They have not fared well when entering as a ranked team, going 1 - 2.

I made my prediction on this year's Toledo finale in the other thread.

As for the MACC itself. it's interesting to look at the history of the game and recall the goofy stuff that happened. 12 - 0 Ball St. getting steamrolled by Buffalo for example. Or Akron winning on that hail Mary.

In that 12 year span, this is who has been to the Championship game:

MACC APPEARANCES 2005 - 2016

N Illinois 7
Ohio 4
C Michigan 3
BGSU 3
Miami 2
Ball St 1
W Michigan 1
Buffalo 1
Akron 1
Kent St 1

Game Results - MAC Championship

The ranking # is what AP had right before the game.

1997 Marshall 34, Toledo 14 @ Marshall 28,021
1998 Marshall 23, Toledo 17 @Marshall 28,085
1999 Marshall 34, W Michigan 30 @Marshall 28,069
2000 Marshall 19, W Michigan 14 @Marshall 24,816
2001 Toledo 41, Marshall 36 @Toledo 20,025
2002 Marshall 49, Toledo 45 @Marshall 24,582
2003 #10 Miami 49, #20 BGSU 27 @BGSU 24,813
2004 Toledo 35, Miami 27 @Detroit 22,138
2005 Akron 31, N Illinois 30 @Detroit 12,051
2006 C Michigan 31, Ohio 10 @Detroit 25,483
2007 C Michigan 35, Miami 10 @Detroit 25,013
2008 Buffalo 42, #12 Ball St. 24 @Detroit 12,871
2009 C Michigan 20, Ohio 10 @Detroit 23,714
2010 Miami 26, #24 N Illinois 21 @Detroit 12,031
2011 N Illinois 23, Ohio 20 @Detroit 13,052
2012 #19 N Illinois 44, #18 Kent St. 37 2 OT @Detroit 18,132
2013 Bowling Green 47, #16 N Illinois 27 @Detroit 21,106
2014 N. Illinois 51, BGSU 17 @Detroit 15,110
2015 BGSU 34, N Illinois 14 @Detroit 16,425
2016 #13 W Michigan 29, Ohio 23 @Detroit 45,615
11-21-2017 09:21 PM
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God that attendance was just insane last year.

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RE: Toledo and the MACC
Its crazy that NIU has been in the MACC game 6 out of the last 7 years...
11-21-2017 09:28 PM
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RE: Toledo and the MACC
MAC CHAMPIONS
since title game began


Marshall 5 (cheatin' bastidges)
C Michigan 3 (gag)
N Illinois 3
Toledo 2
Bowling Green 2
Miami 2
W Michigan 1
Akron 1
Buffalo 1
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RE: Toledo and the MACC
Theory: teams that can't run in November weather can't win, hence Toledo's woes.
11-22-2017 11:19 AM
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RE: Toledo and the MACC
(11-21-2017 09:28 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Its crazy that NIU has been in the MACC game 6 out of the last 7 years...

and half the board over in Northern Illinois wants to fire Carey
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RE: Toledo and the MACC
(11-22-2017 12:30 PM)uclabruin Wrote:  
(11-21-2017 09:28 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Its crazy that NIU has been in the MACC game 6 out of the last 7 years...

and half the board over in Northern Illinois wants to fire Carey

NIU(Carey):
2012 0-1 Lost Orange Bowl
2013 12-2 Lost Poinsettia Bowl
2014 11-3 MACC Lost Boca Raton Bowl
2015 8-6 Lost Poinsettia Bowl
2016 5-7 Lost to Toledo
2017 8-3 Lost to Toledo
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RE: Toledo and the MACC
(11-22-2017 01:18 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 12:30 PM)uclabruin Wrote:  
(11-21-2017 09:28 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Its crazy that NIU has been in the MACC game 6 out of the last 7 years...

and half the board over in Northern Illinois wants to fire Carey

NIU(Carey):
2012 0-1 Lost Orange Bowl
2013 12-2 Lost Poinsettia Bowl
2014 11-3 MACC Lost Boca Raton Bowl
2015 8-6 Lost Poinsettia Bowl
2016 5-7 Lost to Toledo
2017 8-3 Lost to Toledo

2016 hiccup aside, that's a very admirable stretch. NIU of the 2010s isn't too different from Marshall of the late 90s/early 00s.
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RE: Toledo and the MACC
(11-22-2017 01:35 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 01:18 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(11-22-2017 12:30 PM)uclabruin Wrote:  
(11-21-2017 09:28 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Its crazy that NIU has been in the MACC game 6 out of the last 7 years...

and half the board over in Northern Illinois wants to fire Carey

NIU(Carey):
2012 0-1 Lost Orange Bowl
2013 12-2 Lost Poinsettia Bowl
2014 11-3 MACC Lost Boca Raton Bowl
2015 8-6 Lost Poinsettia Bowl
2016 5-7 Lost to Toledo
2017 8-3 Lost to Toledo

2016 hiccup aside, that's a very admirable stretch. NIU of the 2010s isn't too different from Marshall of the late 90s/early 00s.

Marshall won 5 of 6 MACC and 5 of 6 Bowl games. from '97 to '02. W-L 65-13.
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RE: Toledo and the MACC
I think a key statistic for any coach in the MAC is the coaches RECORD AGAINST THE MAC. His is superior to most
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RE: Toledo and the MACC
What about Jim Mora's record against the MAC?
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