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MAC basketball underestimated?
Toledo abusing Oakland , BGSU scoring major upset against FGCU. Across the board the MAC is turning heads right now. I did not see this coming
11-18-2017 07:58 PM
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BGSU stuns FGCU. Wowwww.
11-18-2017 08:06 PM
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Florida Gulf Coast and Oakland were probably the top 2 teams not in a top 11 conference (outside of Vermont). Those are huge (and stunning) wins.
11-18-2017 08:19 PM
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(11-18-2017 08:19 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Florida Gulf Coast and Oakland were probably the top 2 teams not in a top 11 conference (outside of Vermont). Those are huge (and stunning) wins.

Definitely. Toledo especially looks lethal right now. They have inside and outside game Huskies look so primitive in comparison. MAC has 10th slot in RPI right now
11-18-2017 08:22 PM
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(11-18-2017 08:22 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 08:19 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Florida Gulf Coast and Oakland were probably the top 2 teams not in a top 11 conference (outside of Vermont). Those are huge (and stunning) wins.

Definitely. Toledo especially looks lethal right now. They have inside and outside game Huskies look so primitive in comparison. MAC has 10th slot in RPI right now
Winning % 10th as well. Ahead of A10 and West Coast.
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The MAC is the best it’s been in awhile this year. It’s going to be hard for NIU not to finish last. Western Michigan is not the best team in the conference.
11-18-2017 09:11 PM
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(11-18-2017 09:11 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  The MAC is the best it’s been in awhile this year. It’s going to be hard for NIU not to finish last. Western Michigan is not the best team in the conference.

Starting to get that feeling. I know its a small sample size, but imo Toledo has to be in the discussion as best in conference. Nobody saw this one coming with the MAC this year, pretty amazing. Happy for the conference, but you are right, NIU is in serious trouble. I started compiling my power rankings this year, and NIU's score for the UWGB game offensively was very very bad despite the 85. NIU offense is going to be a big big concern I am afraid.
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Also, Jon Groce is loading up on power5 transfers at Akron for next year and they a pretty good this year. CMU even played Michigan tough the other night. Without 3pt shooting the Huskies won’t compete in the MAC.
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(11-18-2017 07:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Toledo abusing Oakland , BGSU scoring major upset against FGCU. Across the board the MAC is turning heads right now. I did not see this coming

*Yawn* Still waiting for a good win like the AAC, A10, or MVC showcase every year.

These wins are not P5 schools, G5 schools, ranked teams in the top 75, or tournament teams last year. No one's heads are turning yet.

FGCU was pre-season ranked >100, who cares...
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(11-18-2017 09:20 PM)dekalb222 Wrote:  Also, Jon Groce is loading up on power5 transfers at Akron for next year and they a pretty good this year. CMU even played Michigan tough the other night. Without 3pt shooting the Huskies won’t compete in the MAC.

3 point shooting is probably one of about 10 things wrong with NIU's offense, I imagine it will get a little better as the year goes on, but it will be a struggle. I really still believe that Tommy D is going to have to average something like 12+ points a game for NIU to be viable at all. His role in the offense has to be pretty high given the lack of options. Not sure he is ready for that kind of a workload, but I just fear it will be demanded.
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(11-18-2017 09:44 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 07:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Toledo abusing Oakland , BGSU scoring major upset against FGCU. Across the board the MAC is turning heads right now. I did not see this coming

*Yawn* Still waiting for a good win like the AAC, A10, or MVC showcase every year.

These wins are not P5 schools, G5 schools, ranked teams in the top 75, or tournament teams last year. No one's heads are turning yet.

FGCU was pre-season ranked >100, who cares...

If you are expecting the MAC to rank in the top 6 of conferences and better than many power conferences you are probably going to be disappointed. If you want the MAC to be among the best mid majors in the land, then things are pretty much right on track right now based on performance. Tonight a preseason MAC cellar dweller took down #12 mid major FGCU, and Toledo took down #5 mid major Oakland. I think a lot of this just goes to show, you get teams in MAC arenas, things turn around quick. In generating that spreadsheet power ranking I do every year, never have seen the MAC score this high with its top teams. Its early, time will tell, but in the meantime, wow.
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One bid.
Win the MAC tournament.
Regular season matters zero.
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(11-18-2017 11:08 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  One bid.
Win the MAC tournament.
Regular season matters zero.

Ill tell you though, if the MAC keeps this up, it is the best chance to break that one bid bias that has plagued the conference. Many teams playing at very high levels.
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(11-18-2017 11:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:08 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  One bid.
Win the MAC tournament.
Regular season matters zero.

Ill tell you though, if the MAC keeps this up, it is the best chance to break that one bid bias that has plagued the conference. Many teams playing at very high levels.

But MD this requires big OOC wins, not wins vs Oakland and FGCU. When this happens, I agree 'heads will turn'.
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(11-18-2017 09:50 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 09:44 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 07:58 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Toledo abusing Oakland , BGSU scoring major upset against FGCU. Across the board the MAC is turning heads right now. I did not see this coming

*Yawn* Still waiting for a good win like the AAC, A10, or MVC showcase every year.

These wins are not P5 schools, G5 schools, ranked teams in the top 75, or tournament teams last year. No one's heads are turning yet.

FGCU was pre-season ranked >100, who cares...

If you are expecting the MAC to rank in the top 6 of conferences and better than many power conferences you are probably going to be disappointed. If you want the MAC to be among the best mid majors in the land, then things are pretty much right on track right now based on performance. Tonight a preseason MAC cellar dweller took down #12 mid major FGCU, and Toledo took down #5 mid major Oakland. I think a lot of this just goes to show, you get teams in MAC arenas, things turn around quick. In generating that spreadsheet power ranking I do every year, never have seen the MAC score this high with its top teams. Its early, time will tell, but in the meantime, wow.

I am not, I have the MAC rated below the P5 as well as the AAC, MW, A10, Big East, and MVC. We need to beat these teams if the MAC wants respect. Wins vs Oakland and FGCU are fine and necessary, but this is nothing to get excited about.
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(11-18-2017 11:21 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:08 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  One bid.
Win the MAC tournament.
Regular season matters zero.

Ill tell you though, if the MAC keeps this up, it is the best chance to break that one bid bias that has plagued the conference. Many teams playing at very high levels.

But MD this requires big OOC wins, not wins vs Oakland and FGCU. When this happens, I agree 'heads will turn'.

Those are tough to come by because getting those teams at home is so hard. You are underestimating the Oakland FGCU wins, those are very big. A lower level MAC team, BGSU, knocked off a team that is considered one of the best mid majors in the country, that is no small potatoes.
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(11-18-2017 11:23 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:21 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:08 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  One bid.
Win the MAC tournament.
Regular season matters zero.

Ill tell you though, if the MAC keeps this up, it is the best chance to break that one bid bias that has plagued the conference. Many teams playing at very high levels.

But MD this requires big OOC wins, not wins vs Oakland and FGCU. When this happens, I agree 'heads will turn'.

Those are tough to come by because getting those teams at home is so hard. You are underestimating the Oakland FGCU wins, those are very big. A lower level MAC team, BGSU, knocked off a team that is considered one of the best mid majors in the country, that is no small potatoes.

The A10, MVC, AAC, MW, BE (though you can argue the BE is a P5 in Basketball) get those wins away, why cant the MAC?
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(11-18-2017 11:30 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:23 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:21 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:15 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:08 PM)huskie1stdown Wrote:  One bid.
Win the MAC tournament.
Regular season matters zero.

Ill tell you though, if the MAC keeps this up, it is the best chance to break that one bid bias that has plagued the conference. Many teams playing at very high levels.

But MD this requires big OOC wins, not wins vs Oakland and FGCU. When this happens, I agree 'heads will turn'.

Those are tough to come by because getting those teams at home is so hard. You are underestimating the Oakland FGCU wins, those are very big. A lower level MAC team, BGSU, knocked off a team that is considered one of the best mid majors in the country, that is no small potatoes.

The A10, MVC, AAC, MW, BE (though you can argue the BE is a P5 in Basketball) get those wins away, why cant the MAC?

The Big East literally is a power conference in basketball. Your point also is correct.
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Not impressed yet. Waiting for some consistency before I agree. Plus I think this is one of MD's crusades to pump up the MAC. We will see in mid-December.
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(11-18-2017 11:59 PM)Dtownboys Wrote:  Not impressed yet. Waiting for some consistency before I agree. Plus I think this is one of MD's crusades to pump up the MAC. We will see in mid-December.

Not a crusade its just the results so far. MAC is ahead of the PAC12
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