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(11-17-2017 05:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
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(11-17-2017 02:23 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  I don't use soy protein nor does my diet really contain any significant amount of it, but are you really taking advice on endocrinology from an unsourced YouTube video?

I need Youtube to know to stay away from soy about as much as I need it to know to stay away from soda, processed foods, and heroin.

Ok, so then what do you use to know why you should stay away from those products?

If we are speaking genetically, we are more "determined" by our grandparents than we are by the toxins we take in today.


Darn thing is, our grandchildren are impacted by what we do today.

To make it simple......

My wife has eggs. One of her eggs became a girl. My girl has eggs . They were both born with every egg they will ever have. My wife's mother has more influence on my child than my wife genetically. It's just fact?

I'm not an expert in either endocrinology or genetics, but I do have an undergraduate education in each, and I think you're probably making some far reaching conclusions from a small amount of evidence. Epigenetics are not well understood, and while there is certainly evidence that the expression of genes can be altered by stress/environment/diet/illness/etc, unless a wave of new research has drastically changed things in the past few years, you're overshooting it's effects.

I’m also going to lol that you are making an argument against evolution choosing against homosexuality.
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What is funny about this topic is that if you argue against God, then homosexuality is chosen against by nature. Homosexuality is only acceptable if there is a God.
Isn’t that funny?
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(11-17-2017 05:36 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(11-17-2017 05:06 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-17-2017 04:19 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
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(11-17-2017 02:33 PM)Kronke Wrote:  I need Youtube to know to stay away from soy about as much as I need it to know to stay away from soda, processed foods, and heroin.

Ok, so then what do you use to know why you should stay away from those products?

If we are speaking genetically, we are more "determined" by our grandparents than we are by the toxins we take in today.


Darn thing is, our grandchildren are impacted by what we do today.

To make it simple......

My wife has eggs. One of her eggs became a girl. My girl has eggs . They were both born with every egg they will ever have. My wife's mother has more influence on my child than my wife genetically. It's just fact?

I'm not an expert in either endocrinology or genetics, but I do have an undergraduate education in each, and I think you're probably making some far reaching conclusions from a small amount of evidence. Epigenetics are not well understood, and while there is certainly evidence that the expression of genes can be altered by stress/environment/diet/illness/etc, unless a wave of new research has drastically changed things in the past few years, you're overshooting it's effects.

I’m gonna say you are wrong on an evidentiary basis. Your mother was born with every egg she ever had. As was her mother.
There are species of animals born whose phenotype is determined by birthing mother experience. I will dig for citations, but I recall lizard tail length studies determined by mothers experience with snakes.

I’m gonna say it’s a thing.

I think I might be unclear in my position. I'm not arguing that we can't observe scenarios like you describe above, it's literally part of epigenetics. I'm just arguing that you're greatly overstating the certainty and strength of these genetic modifiers.

Look at traditional genetics. We can explain a whole lot using just that, and at one point we thought genetics would explain everything about a person. We don't believe that now because of epigenetics and others fluid aspects of gene expression, but you're assuming that must be how everything will be answered.

As for your whole focus on homosexuality, you're coming at his all went. Evolution does not have a purpose nor is it inherently driven to work in the most efficient way possible, so viewing it in that manner is wrong. It implies an end goal when in reality it's just random mutations interacting with the environment and selecting for ones that generally grant an advantage to the species as a whole. Ignoring the fact there is no reason to believe homosexuality will inherently be any easier to explain genetically than ones sense of humor or food preferences, perhaps having a brain powerful enough to create the smartphone I am typing on I just creates a certain percentage of people who work differently.
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(11-17-2017 01:24 PM)Kronke Wrote:  It's not their fault. It was scientific and they were lied to.

The question is if they'll admit they were conned, kick the habit, and try becoming a man again -- or double down.

Will that reverse the illness?

I'm really curious, if these Soy Boys stop eating/drinking soy will they become Republicans or is it too late? Too many pajama boys in my opinion, you can see them all over.
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So, with so many worldwide eating soy products the Bibles verse that the meek shall inherit the earth is true...and weapons will be converted into plows or something or other.

I'm being funny here okay, but it sure seems to ring true.

Another question: Aren't Chinese eating a lot of soy? Does that mean that we'll be seeing pink garbed soldiers soon?
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Soylent Green is beta males....
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(11-17-2017 11:04 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  So, with so many worldwide eating soy products the Bibles verse that the meek shall inherit the earth is true...and weapons will be converted into plows or something or other.

I'm being funny here okay, but it sure seems to ring true.

Another question: Aren't Chinese eating a lot of soy? Does that mean that we'll be seeing pink garbed soldiers soon?
Soy sauce has been fermented. That process gets rid of the estrogen properties. Soy sauce is safe.

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Between soy and the high levels of testosterone decreasing lead some of you are getting from Alex Jones products, we know what some posters problems are.
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Alex Jones's power is reaching the levels of the deep state and Vladimir Putin. He is now colluding with the government to generate fake science so he can sell his overpriced products.

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(11-17-2017 06:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  What is funny about this topic is that if you argue against God, then homosexuality is chosen against by nature. Homosexuality is only acceptable if there is a God.
Isn’t that funny?

You don't quite understand how sin works, do you....
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(11-18-2017 10:50 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(11-17-2017 06:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  What is funny about this topic is that if you argue against God, then homosexuality is chosen against by nature. Homosexuality is only acceptable if there is a God.
Isn’t that funny?

You don't quite understand how sin works, do you....

He doesn't understand how evolutionary biology works, that's for sure.
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(11-18-2017 11:46 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
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(11-17-2017 06:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  What is funny about this topic is that if you argue against God, then homosexuality is chosen against by nature. Homosexuality is only acceptable if there is a God.
Isn’t that funny?

You don't quite understand how sin works, do you....

He doesn't understand how evolutionary biology works, that's for sure.

God is more about forgiveness imo. Very hard for some to understand.
Is there evolution without procreation? I guess there is now that we can do a lot in a test tube and on a printer. I wonder if that is what God intended?
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(11-18-2017 12:01 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:46 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 10:50 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(11-17-2017 06:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  What is funny about this topic is that if you argue against God, then homosexuality is chosen against by nature. Homosexuality is only acceptable if there is a God.
Isn’t that funny?

You don't quite understand how sin works, do you....

He doesn't understand how evolutionary biology works, that's for sure.

God is more about forgiveness imo. Very hard for some to understand.
Is there evolution without procreation? I guess there is now that we can do a lot in a test tube and on a printer. I wonder if that is what God intended?

You're under the assumptions that homosexuality is heritable in a unique sense, and that homosexuals don't procreate. Neither is backed up by history, genetics, or really any of the evidence available.
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(11-18-2017 12:28 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 12:01 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:46 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 10:50 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(11-17-2017 06:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  What is funny about this topic is that if you argue against God, then homosexuality is chosen against by nature. Homosexuality is only acceptable if there is a God.
Isn’t that funny?

You don't quite understand how sin works, do you....

He doesn't understand how evolutionary biology works, that's for sure.

God is more about forgiveness imo. Very hard for some to understand.
Is there evolution without procreation? I guess there is now that we can do a lot in a test tube and on a printer. I wonder if that is what God intended?

You're under the assumptions that homosexuality is heritable in a unique sense, and that homosexuals don't procreate. Neither is backed up by history, genetics, or really any of the evidence available.
If you go by the notions that homosexuals stayed in the closet and lived normal, procreating lives until now, I would expect the numbers to dwindle drastically over the next 20 years. If numbers rise or even stay the same, we can rule out genetics and assime it is a mental or hormonal disorder. Should be interesting and will give us the real answer on if it is genetic.

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(11-18-2017 12:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 12:28 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 12:01 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:46 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 10:50 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  You don't quite understand how sin works, do you....

He doesn't understand how evolutionary biology works, that's for sure.

God is more about forgiveness imo. Very hard for some to understand.
Is there evolution without procreation? I guess there is now that we can do a lot in a test tube and on a printer. I wonder if that is what God intended?

You're under the assumptions that homosexuality is heritable in a unique sense, and that homosexuals don't procreate. Neither is backed up by history, genetics, or really any of the evidence available.
If you go by the notions that homosexuals stayed in the closet and lived normal, procreating lives until now, I would expect the numbers to dwindle drastically over the next 20 years. If numbers rise or even stay the same, we can rule out genetics and assime it is a mental or hormonal disorder. Should be interesting and will give us the real answer on if it is genetic.

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If it’s hormonal, gonna be tough to identify a culprit as Biblical people lived free range and organic (though they did have agriculture and limited their diet dramatically because of that)
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(11-18-2017 12:28 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 12:01 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:46 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 10:50 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(11-17-2017 06:27 PM)Dasville Wrote:  What is funny about this topic is that if you argue against God, then homosexuality is chosen against by nature. Homosexuality is only acceptable if there is a God.
Isn’t that funny?

You don't quite understand how sin works, do you....

He doesn't understand how evolutionary biology works, that's for sure.

God is more about forgiveness imo. Very hard for some to understand.
Is there evolution without procreation? I guess there is now that we can do a lot in a test tube and on a printer. I wonder if that is what God intended?

You're under the assumptions that homosexuality is heritable in a unique sense, and that homosexuals don't procreate. Neither is backed up by history, genetics, or really any of the evidence available.

I’m not. Evolution does not care one way or the other about an individual. I think there is proof that religion focuses on the individual.
UCF, you really can’t argue estrogen levels in soy varies do to stress on the crop. It’s proven science. Shoot, litter size in some animals are determined by food and population stress. It’s fact.
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(11-18-2017 01:31 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 12:28 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 12:01 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:46 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 10:50 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  You don't quite understand how sin works, do you....

He doesn't understand how evolutionary biology works, that's for sure.

God is more about forgiveness imo. Very hard for some to understand.
Is there evolution without procreation? I guess there is now that we can do a lot in a test tube and on a printer. I wonder if that is what God intended?

You're under the assumptions that homosexuality is heritable in a unique sense, and that homosexuals don't procreate. Neither is backed up by history, genetics, or really any of the evidence available.

I’m not. Evolution does not care one way or the other about an individual. I think there is proof that religion focuses on the individual.
UCF, you really can’t argue estrogen levels in soy varies do to stress on the crop. It’s proven science. Shoot, litter size in some animals are determined by food and population stress. It’s fact.

Again, I am not arguing that these effects don't exist, I'm arguing that your characterization of the heritability of epigenetics greatly overstates the relative efffect they have on gene expression.
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(11-18-2017 01:24 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 12:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 12:28 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 12:01 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:46 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  He doesn't understand how evolutionary biology works, that's for sure.

God is more about forgiveness imo. Very hard for some to understand.
Is there evolution without procreation? I guess there is now that we can do a lot in a test tube and on a printer. I wonder if that is what God intended?

You're under the assumptions that homosexuality is heritable in a unique sense, and that homosexuals don't procreate. Neither is backed up by history, genetics, or really any of the evidence available.
If you go by the notions that homosexuals stayed in the closet and lived normal, procreating lives until now, I would expect the numbers to dwindle drastically over the next 20 years. If numbers rise or even stay the same, we can rule out genetics and assime it is a mental or hormonal disorder. Should be interesting and will give us the real answer on if it is genetic.

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If it’s hormonal, gonna be tough to identify a culprit as Biblical people lived free range and organic (though they did have agriculture and limited their diet dramatically because of that)

Why would you assume there is a single root cause of something like ones sexuality?
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(11-18-2017 12:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 12:28 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 12:01 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:46 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 10:50 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  You don't quite understand how sin works, do you....

He doesn't understand how evolutionary biology works, that's for sure.

God is more about forgiveness imo. Very hard for some to understand.
Is there evolution without procreation? I guess there is now that we can do a lot in a test tube and on a printer. I wonder if that is what God intended?

You're under the assumptions that homosexuality is heritable in a unique sense, and that homosexuals don't procreate. Neither is backed up by history, genetics, or really any of the evidence available.
If you go by the notions that homosexuals stayed in the closet and lived normal, procreating lives until now, I would expect the numbers to dwindle drastically over the next 20 years. If numbers rise or even stay the same, we can rule out genetics and assime it is a mental or hormonal disorder. Should be interesting and will give us the real answer on if it is genetic.

You're assuming homosexuality is heritable to a significant degree, that's not something you can just assume. The far, far more likely scenario is that it's modulated by a number of factors and might just be an inherent aspect of our evolutionary path. It could quite simply be that our higher order intelligence or group bonds or curiousity or any number of our evolutionary traits inherently grants a certain chance of fluidity in human sexuality.
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(11-18-2017 03:25 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 12:48 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 12:28 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 12:01 PM)Dasville Wrote:  
(11-18-2017 11:46 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  He doesn't understand how evolutionary biology works, that's for sure.

God is more about forgiveness imo. Very hard for some to understand.
Is there evolution without procreation? I guess there is now that we can do a lot in a test tube and on a printer. I wonder if that is what God intended?

You're under the assumptions that homosexuality is heritable in a unique sense, and that homosexuals don't procreate. Neither is backed up by history, genetics, or really any of the evidence available.
If you go by the notions that homosexuals stayed in the closet and lived normal, procreating lives until now, I would expect the numbers to dwindle drastically over the next 20 years. If numbers rise or even stay the same, we can rule out genetics and assime it is a mental or hormonal disorder. Should be interesting and will give us the real answer on if it is genetic.

You're assuming homosexuality is heritable to a significant degree, that's not something you can just assume. The far, far more likely scenario is that it's modulated by a number of factors and might just be an inherent aspect of our evolutionary path. It could quite simply be that our higher order intelligence or group bonds or curiousity or any number of our evolutionary traits inherently grants a certain chance of fluidity in human sexuality.
I guess it depends on if it is a behavior or a trait or if that varies by the individual.

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