Stetson is a hat. That is all.

(11-17-2017 03:17 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 12:05 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 12:00 PM)GopherTubby Wrote:  Way to support a recruit before even he has visited the campus. One of the best players that we have had in here was a 2* player called Damien Johnson. He was an amazing player to watch. This kid remind me of him but off course he is not Memphis good. All these national championships reputation is in jeopardy.

What would you guys say if you were a Ucon fan? They have done so many National Championships and nothing lately but they keep supporting the program. They must not be Memphis good either.

Go Tigers

Dude, you can't even spell DamiAn Johnson's name right.

Get outta here.

And Johnson was a career 7 and 4 guy who shot 28% from three.

Great Google search Mr. hotshot. DJ is actually a celebrity here at MN just because of all that 7 and 4 that you mentioned. As always, never do your homework, do you.

I am actually going to stop posting here. This board is dominated by people like you. I will cheer for the tigers as well as, Gophers, Belmont, Vanderbilt, MTSU, Purdue.

Hey, at least I can spell his name right.

Trolling the D2 ranks is next. Oh wait.....

Message board recruiting, BAM!
Who will be the next Tiger?

(11-17-2017 12:24 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:21 AM)GopherTubby Wrote:  

(11-16-2017 11:26 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  The Tubby era will be short lived if he doesn’t bring in some guys that can play. It makes no sense whatsoever to have two good guards in your backyard and can’t get one to commit and sign.

Oh no, you got sucked in too?????

In a way I admire the handful of posters, Joe, 450, 87, 1987, Atlanta, not including idiot trolls like yourself, who are so optimistic and so patient, even though I don't agree with them. I also don't think that there is anything wrong with them having that attitude; again I find it admirable. What I don't think is fair is being labelled by some of them when my opposing opinion and the opinions of others are rational, logical and have their own value.

There are some that just see everything as bad and some that see everything as good. I don't belong to either group. I am able to see Tubby's recruiting and the overall job he has done as bad, but I still have hope that this year's team can surprise us. If they don't I will love them the same way I loved Tommy's last team, Porter's teams and Tic and Johnny Jones' teams.

You can be critical and still be a great fan.

A realist sees a situation as it is and not as he or she wants it. I am a realist, but I do not begrudge Tiger fans adopting a different attitude. Support of the team while seeing problems are not mutually exclusive.

(11-17-2017 12:07 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:40 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:28 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  Oddly enough, I too enjoy players who can stick the ball in the basket. This kid is sticking the ball in the basket, thus the numbers he is putting up. Now, can he stick the ball in the basket on the D1 level? That’s all that matters.

He's playing for a club team vs. a bunch of crappy schools.

I don't understand why people look at a youtube video and somehow extrapolate that to both sides of the court performance at a high D1 level.

I feel safer looking at those who have taken the time to evaluate him and the schools that have decided to offer him are schools we should never be competing with--especially on the heels of how fall recruiting just went.

The more telling thing is this is where Memphis is right now. They literally have NO idea where to go. They missed out on every good player they wanted and are out of options for 2018.

So now they are running out and offering guys like this.

The same folks who "loved" the idea of getting Matt Stanley or Usman Haruna are now all-in on this guy for no other reason than he was offered by Memphis.

Most of your post is bull *hit. Nowhere did I say I am “all in” on this kid. Nowhere did I say he will be able to do what he is doing presently, at the D1 level. What I did say is...”the question is can he do it on the D1 level???”
I don’t understand why people automatically think I base everything about whether a kid can play or not on watching YouTube videos. I most certainly do not. In most situations, especially the players from out of town, YouTube videos, how much they average, where they are ranked, and who they have offers from, is all I have to go on. I prefer to watch a player in person several times.
My last several posts have been crystal clear as to how I feel about the recruiting by this staff. I see you didn’t bother commenting on those. I have stated it is pitiful that we have/had two good guards here in town and they couldn’t land either one (at least three this point, I guess there’s a chance we could still get Harris). I stated very clearly from the top down this staff has not been able to secure commitments from top level players. To which I am not happy about at all. I have numerous times said that I would criticize after seeing some results come in. I did exactly what I said I was going to do. I believe I also said that Tubby’s time here will be short lived if the two things that are in bad shape stay the same....and those two things are his recruiting and attendance. I can go a step further, I don’t want Tubby here if the winning, recruiting, and attendance all suck. Obviously those three go hand in hand. If he started winning lots of games (against both the cupcakes and quality opponents), the recruiting and attendance would follow.

1) Chill
2) Paragraphs

You are posting about this kid, touting athleticism, and implying he would be a good get. On other social media platforms you are saying that you hope Memphis gets him.

You, and others who have gone two feet in on the Tubby experience, seem to gush at most every target Memphis courts.

My caution is just because Memphis targets someone doesn't mean that someone is actually a good choice (see Matt Stanley and Usman Haruna at ECU).

Let's also not forget your gushing review of the Memphis squad and the talent you witnessed after the L-O game. Not to mention the 26-5 prediction based upon the talent you witnessed at the L-O game.

While you and others may see me as negative, I'm just more realistic and less blinded by hope.

I am chill.

I was only correcting what you were implying about me.

I was never two feet in with Tubby. I wanted to wait and see results. Way different than two feet in. You did use the word “seem” to gush over the players the staff recruits. I did think that Antwan Jones, Woodard, Lomax, Harris would be good players to get and have. I probably had positive things about them, I definitely had positive things to say about Lomax, but gushing is going too far. I gushed over Keith Lee, Elliot Perry, Andre Turner, CDR, Penny and more, but not these guys.

I did have positive things to say about the players after the exhibition game. So did Calkins. I said I thought Davenport and Brewton will be good and I think I’ll be right.

In the end, you and I don’t really have anything to argue about. Unless you say something that isn’t true about how I feel about Tubby. Presently Tubby and staff aren’t getting it done on the recruiting trail. I want high level players and I want to win. If Tubby can’t do it, I want him out of here.

Joe,

Stop getting triggered and look at the facts:

Look where we are in the recruiting season; do you really think everybody else missed on this kid and now BAM has 'discovered' this great talent?

Look who else has off offered him.

**yes, we understand that occasionally you find a diamond in the rough; yes, occasionally a DJ comes along BUT YOU DONT BUILD YOUR RECRUITING CLASSES AND ROSTER AROUND THIS TYPE OF PLAYER.**

Tubby and gang are now in full panic mode. They are way behind and out there running around spewing offers to anything that can remotely fill out a uniform.

Whether they eventually land Harris or not is almost moot at this point.

THEY ARE DOING IT WRONG.

(11-18-2017 09:45 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 12:07 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:40 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:55 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  He's playing for a club team vs. a bunch of crappy schools.

I don't understand why people look at a youtube video and somehow extrapolate that to both sides of the court performance at a high D1 level.

I feel safer looking at those who have taken the time to evaluate him and the schools that have decided to offer him are schools we should never be competing with--especially on the heels of how fall recruiting just went.

The more telling thing is this is where Memphis is right now. They literally have NO idea where to go. They missed out on every good player they wanted and are out of options for 2018.

So now they are running out and offering guys like this.

The same folks who "loved" the idea of getting Matt Stanley or Usman Haruna are now all-in on this guy for no other reason than he was offered by Memphis.

Most of your post is bull *hit. Nowhere did I say I am “all in” on this kid. Nowhere did I say he will be able to do what he is doing presently, at the D1 level. What I did say is...”the question is can he do it on the D1 level???”
I don’t understand why people automatically think I base everything about whether a kid can play or not on watching YouTube videos. I most certainly do not. In most situations, especially the players from out of town, YouTube videos, how much they average, where they are ranked, and who they have offers from, is all I have to go on. I prefer to watch a player in person several times.
My last several posts have been crystal clear as to how I feel about the recruiting by this staff. I see you didn’t bother commenting on those. I have stated it is pitiful that we have/had two good guards here in town and they couldn’t land either one (at least three this point, I guess there’s a chance we could still get Harris). I stated very clearly from the top down this staff has not been able to secure commitments from top level players. To which I am not happy about at all. I have numerous times said that I would criticize after seeing some results come in. I did exactly what I said I was going to do. I believe I also said that Tubby’s time here will be short lived if the two things that are in bad shape stay the same....and those two things are his recruiting and attendance. I can go a step further, I don’t want Tubby here if the winning, recruiting, and attendance all suck. Obviously those three go hand in hand. If he started winning lots of games (against both the cupcakes and quality opponents), the recruiting and attendance would follow.

1) Chill
2) Paragraphs

You are posting about this kid, touting athleticism, and implying he would be a good get. On other social media platforms you are saying that you hope Memphis gets him.

You, and others who have gone two feet in on the Tubby experience, seem to gush at most every target Memphis courts.

My caution is just because Memphis targets someone doesn't mean that someone is actually a good choice (see Matt Stanley and Usman Haruna at ECU).

Let's also not forget your gushing review of the Memphis squad and the talent you witnessed after the L-O game. Not to mention the 26-5 prediction based upon the talent you witnessed at the L-O game.

While you and others may see me as negative, I'm just more realistic and less blinded by hope.

I am chill.

I was only correcting what you were implying about me.

I was never two feet in with Tubby. I wanted to wait and see results. Way different than two feet in. You did use the word “seem” to gush over the players the staff recruits. I did think that Antwan Jones, Woodard, Lomax, Harris would be good players to get and have. I probably had positive things about them, I definitely had positive things to say about Lomax, but gushing is going too far. I gushed over Keith Lee, Elliot Perry, Andre Turner, CDR, Penny and more, but not these guys.

I did have positive things to say about the players after the exhibition game. So did Calkins. I said I thought Davenport and Brewton will be good and I think I’ll be right.

In the end, you and I don’t really have anything to argue about. Unless you say something that isn’t true about how I feel about Tubby. Presently Tubby and staff aren’t getting it done on the recruiting trail. I want high level players and I want to win. If Tubby can’t do it, I want him out of here.

Joe,

Stop getting triggered and look at the facts:

Look where we are in the recruiting season; do you really think everybody else missed on this kid and now BAM has 'discovered' this great talent?

Look who else has off offered him.

**yes, we understand that occasionally you find a diamond in the rough; yes, occasionally a DJ comes along BUT YOU DONT BUILD YOUR RECRUITING CLASSES AND ROSTER AROUND THIS TYPE OF PLAYER.**

Tubby and gang are now in full panic mode. They are way behind and out there running around spewing offers to anything that can remotely fill out a uniform.

Whether they eventually land Harris or not is almost moot at this point.

THEY ARE DOING IT WRONG.

I don’t dispute anything that you posted except for me being triggered. I want high level players. Our history says we should land high level players and our facilities say we should too. I don’t understand what or why you’re arguing with me. I simply posted the info about Arop. I don’t view the kid as a program changer.
I suggest going back and reading my posts in this thread. Especially #4.

(11-18-2017 10:41 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:45 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 12:07 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:40 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  Most of your post is bull *hit. Nowhere did I say I am “all in” on this kid. Nowhere did I say he will be able to do what he is doing presently, at the D1 level. What I did say is...”the question is can he do it on the D1 level???”
I don’t understand why people automatically think I base everything about whether a kid can play or not on watching YouTube videos. I most certainly do not. In most situations, especially the players from out of town, YouTube videos, how much they average, where they are ranked, and who they have offers from, is all I have to go on. I prefer to watch a player in person several times.
My last several posts have been crystal clear as to how I feel about the recruiting by this staff. I see you didn’t bother commenting on those. I have stated it is pitiful that we have/had two good guards here in town and they couldn’t land either one (at least three this point, I guess there’s a chance we could still get Harris). I stated very clearly from the top down this staff has not been able to secure commitments from top level players. To which I am not happy about at all. I have numerous times said that I would criticize after seeing some results come in. I did exactly what I said I was going to do. I believe I also said that Tubby’s time here will be short lived if the two things that are in bad shape stay the same....and those two things are his recruiting and attendance. I can go a step further, I don’t want Tubby here if the winning, recruiting, and attendance all suck. Obviously those three go hand in hand. If he started winning lots of games (against both the cupcakes and quality opponents), the recruiting and attendance would follow.

1) Chill
2) Paragraphs

You are posting about this kid, touting athleticism, and implying he would be a good get. On other social media platforms you are saying that you hope Memphis gets him.

You, and others who have gone two feet in on the Tubby experience, seem to gush at most every target Memphis courts.

My caution is just because Memphis targets someone doesn't mean that someone is actually a good choice (see Matt Stanley and Usman Haruna at ECU).

Let's also not forget your gushing review of the Memphis squad and the talent you witnessed after the L-O game. Not to mention the 26-5 prediction based upon the talent you witnessed at the L-O game.

While you and others may see me as negative, I'm just more realistic and less blinded by hope.

I am chill.

I was only correcting what you were implying about me.

I was never two feet in with Tubby. I wanted to wait and see results. Way different than two feet in. You did use the word “seem” to gush over the players the staff recruits. I did think that Antwan Jones, Woodard, Lomax, Harris would be good players to get and have. I probably had positive things about them, I definitely had positive things to say about Lomax, but gushing is going too far. I gushed over Keith Lee, Elliot Perry, Andre Turner, CDR, Penny and more, but not these guys.

I did have positive things to say about the players after the exhibition game. So did Calkins. I said I thought Davenport and Brewton will be good and I think I’ll be right.

In the end, you and I don’t really have anything to argue about. Unless you say something that isn’t true about how I feel about Tubby. Presently Tubby and staff aren’t getting it done on the recruiting trail. I want high level players and I want to win. If Tubby can’t do it, I want him out of here.

Joe,

Stop getting triggered and look at the facts:

Look where we are in the recruiting season; do you really think everybody else missed on this kid and now BAM has 'discovered' this great talent?

Look who else has off offered him.

**yes, we understand that occasionally you find a diamond in the rough; yes, occasionally a DJ comes along BUT YOU DONT BUILD YOUR RECRUITING CLASSES AND ROSTER AROUND THIS TYPE OF PLAYER.**

Tubby and gang are now in full panic mode. They are way behind and out there running around spewing offers to anything that can remotely fill out a uniform.

Whether they eventually land Harris or not is almost moot at this point.

THEY ARE DOING IT WRONG.

I don’t dispute anything that you posted except for me being triggered. I want high level players. Our history says we should land high level players and our facilities say we should too. I don’t understand what or why you’re arguing with me. I simply posted the info about Arop. I don’t view the kid as a program changer.
I suggest going back and reading my posts in this thread. Especially #4.

With Johnson, Nickleberry, Enoh, Azab you can't really determine how good they will be until midway through next season. That is when you will probably know exactly what you have.

With our current roster, you obviously can't wait until then because they are mostly done after next year, and Martin will also be done.

The staff got "lucky" with the 2017 class. In on them late, committed late and signed late. I can't draw too many conclusions yet, but whatever way you evaluate this class, the staff will be lucky to duplicate its quality for 2018.

So look at the 2017 class and the reality is that we will be lucky to sign a class as good. That seems a bit scary to me.

(11-18-2017 11:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 10:41 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:45 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 12:07 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  1) Chill
2) Paragraphs

You are posting about this kid, touting athleticism, and implying he would be a good get. On other social media platforms you are saying that you hope Memphis gets him.

You, and others who have gone two feet in on the Tubby experience, seem to gush at most every target Memphis courts.

My caution is just because Memphis targets someone doesn't mean that someone is actually a good choice (see Matt Stanley and Usman Haruna at ECU).

Let's also not forget your gushing review of the Memphis squad and the talent you witnessed after the L-O game. Not to mention the 26-5 prediction based upon the talent you witnessed at the L-O game.

While you and others may see me as negative, I'm just more realistic and less blinded by hope.

I am chill.

I was only correcting what you were implying about me.

I was never two feet in with Tubby. I wanted to wait and see results. Way different than two feet in. You did use the word “seem” to gush over the players the staff recruits. I did think that Antwan Jones, Woodard, Lomax, Harris would be good players to get and have. I probably had positive things about them, I definitely had positive things to say about Lomax, but gushing is going too far. I gushed over Keith Lee, Elliot Perry, Andre Turner, CDR, Penny and more, but not these guys.

I did have positive things to say about the players after the exhibition game. So did Calkins. I said I thought Davenport and Brewton will be good and I think I’ll be right.

In the end, you and I don’t really have anything to argue about. Unless you say something that isn’t true about how I feel about Tubby. Presently Tubby and staff aren’t getting it done on the recruiting trail. I want high level players and I want to win. If Tubby can’t do it, I want him out of here.

Joe,

Stop getting triggered and look at the facts:

Look where we are in the recruiting season; do you really think everybody else missed on this kid and now BAM has 'discovered' this great talent?

Look who else has off offered him.

**yes, we understand that occasionally you find a diamond in the rough; yes, occasionally a DJ comes along BUT YOU DONT BUILD YOUR RECRUITING CLASSES AND ROSTER AROUND THIS TYPE OF PLAYER.**

Tubby and gang are now in full panic mode. They are way behind and out there running around spewing offers to anything that can remotely fill out a uniform.

Whether they eventually land Harris or not is almost moot at this point.

THEY ARE DOING IT WRONG.

I don’t dispute anything that you posted except for me being triggered. I want high level players. Our history says we should land high level players and our facilities say we should too. I don’t understand what or why you’re arguing with me. I simply posted the info about Arop. I don’t view the kid as a program changer.
I suggest going back and reading my posts in this thread. Especially #4.

With Johnson, Nickleberry, Enoh, Azab you can't really determine how good they will be until midway through next season. That is when you will probably know exactly what you have.

With our current roster, you obviously can't wait until then because they are mostly done after next year, and Martin will also be done.

The staff got "lucky" with the 2017 class. In on them late, committed late and signed late. I can't draw too many conclusions yet, but whatever way you evaluate this class, the staff will be lucky to duplicate its quality for 2018.

So look at the 2017 class and the reality is that we will be lucky to sign a class as good. That seems a bit scary to me.

I agree. At the moment I don’t see things going well with recruiting. Maybe things will change. I certainly hope so. In the end you don’t spend 20+ million on a palace of a practice facility and finish in the middle of the AAC. When you spend 20+ million on a practice facility you expect to be at the top of the conference or at least tied for second. Thus the recruiting needs to match our facilities. Rudd believes the fancy new practice facility is Top 10 worthy and the program should match or equal that. I do too.

(11-18-2017 11:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 10:41 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:45 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 12:07 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:45 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  1) Chill
2) Paragraphs

You are posting about this kid, touting athleticism, and implying he would be a good get. On other social media platforms you are saying that you hope Memphis gets him.

You, and others who have gone two feet in on the Tubby experience, seem to gush at most every target Memphis courts.

My caution is just because Memphis targets someone doesn't mean that someone is actually a good choice (see Matt Stanley and Usman Haruna at ECU).

Let's also not forget your gushing review of the Memphis squad and the talent you witnessed after the L-O game. Not to mention the 26-5 prediction based upon the talent you witnessed at the L-O game.

While you and others may see me as negative, I'm just more realistic and less blinded by hope.

I am chill.

I was only correcting what you were implying about me.

I was never two feet in with Tubby. I wanted to wait and see results. Way different than two feet in. You did use the word “seem” to gush over the players the staff recruits. I did think that Antwan Jones, Woodard, Lomax, Harris would be good players to get and have. I probably had positive things about them, I definitely had positive things to say about Lomax, but gushing is going too far. I gushed over Keith Lee, Elliot Perry, Andre Turner, CDR, Penny and more, but not these guys.

I did have positive things to say about the players after the exhibition game. So did Calkins. I said I thought Davenport and Brewton will be good and I think I’ll be right.

In the end, you and I don’t really have anything to argue about. Unless you say something that isn’t true about how I feel about Tubby. Presently Tubby and staff aren’t getting it done on the recruiting trail. I want high level players and I want to win. If Tubby can’t do it, I want him out of here.

Joe,

Stop getting triggered and look at the facts:

Look where we are in the recruiting season; do you really think everybody else missed on this kid and now BAM has 'discovered' this great talent?

Look who else has off offered him.

**yes, we understand that occasionally you find a diamond in the rough; yes, occasionally a DJ comes along BUT YOU DONT BUILD YOUR RECRUITING CLASSES AND ROSTER AROUND THIS TYPE OF PLAYER.**

Tubby and gang are now in full panic mode. They are way behind and out there running around spewing offers to anything that can remotely fill out a uniform.

Whether they eventually land Harris or not is almost moot at this point.

THEY ARE DOING IT WRONG.

I don’t dispute anything that you posted except for me being triggered. I want high level players. Our history says we should land high level players and our facilities say we should too. I don’t understand what or why you’re arguing with me. I simply posted the info about Arop. I don’t view the kid as a program changer.
I suggest going back and reading my posts in this thread. Especially #4.

With Johnson, Nickleberry, Enoh, Azab you can't really determine how good they will be until midway through next season. That is when you will probably know exactly what you have.

With our current roster, you obviously can't wait until then because they are mostly done after next year, and Martin will also be done.

The staff got "lucky" with the 2017 class. In on them late, committed late and signed late. I can't draw too many conclusions yet, but whatever way you evaluate this class, the staff will be lucky to duplicate its quality for 2018.

So look at the 2017 class and the reality is that we will be lucky to sign a class as good. That seems a bit scary to me.

If that was lucky what would be unlucky?

So far, I’m not seeing the luck

(11-18-2017 06:52 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 11:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 10:41 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:45 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 12:07 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  I am chill.

I was only correcting what you were implying about me.

I was never two feet in with Tubby. I wanted to wait and see results. Way different than two feet in. You did use the word “seem” to gush over the players the staff recruits. I did think that Antwan Jones, Woodard, Lomax, Harris would be good players to get and have. I probably had positive things about them, I definitely had positive things to say about Lomax, but gushing is going too far. I gushed over Keith Lee, Elliot Perry, Andre Turner, CDR, Penny and more, but not these guys.

I did have positive things to say about the players after the exhibition game. So did Calkins. I said I thought Davenport and Brewton will be good and I think I’ll be right.

In the end, you and I don’t really have anything to argue about. Unless you say something that isn’t true about how I feel about Tubby. Presently Tubby and staff aren’t getting it done on the recruiting trail. I want high level players and I want to win. If Tubby can’t do it, I want him out of here.

Joe,

Stop getting triggered and look at the facts:

Look where we are in the recruiting season; do you really think everybody else missed on this kid and now BAM has 'discovered' this great talent?

Look who else has off offered him.

**yes, we understand that occasionally you find a diamond in the rough; yes, occasionally a DJ comes along BUT YOU DONT BUILD YOUR RECRUITING CLASSES AND ROSTER AROUND THIS TYPE OF PLAYER.**

Tubby and gang are now in full panic mode. They are way behind and out there running around spewing offers to anything that can remotely fill out a uniform.

Whether they eventually land Harris or not is almost moot at this point.

THEY ARE DOING IT WRONG.

I don’t dispute anything that you posted except for me being triggered. I want high level players. Our history says we should land high level players and our facilities say we should too. I don’t understand what or why you’re arguing with me. I simply posted the info about Arop. I don’t view the kid as a program changer.
I suggest going back and reading my posts in this thread. Especially #4.

With Johnson, Nickleberry, Enoh, Azab you can't really determine how good they will be until midway through next season. That is when you will probably know exactly what you have.

With our current roster, you obviously can't wait until then because they are mostly done after next year, and Martin will also be done.

The staff got "lucky" with the 2017 class. In on them late, committed late and signed late. I can't draw too many conclusions yet, but whatever way you evaluate this class, the staff will be lucky to duplicate its quality for 2018.

So look at the 2017 class and the reality is that we will be lucky to sign a class as good. That seems a bit scary to me.

If that was lucky what would be unlucky?

The 2018 'class'. Even if they add Harris at this point they will still have to fill it out with leftovers..... They done effed it up.

(11-18-2017 06:52 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 11:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 10:41 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:45 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 12:07 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  I am chill.

I was only correcting what you were implying about me.

I was never two feet in with Tubby. I wanted to wait and see results. Way different than two feet in. You did use the word “seem” to gush over the players the staff recruits. I did think that Antwan Jones, Woodard, Lomax, Harris would be good players to get and have. I probably had positive things about them, I definitely had positive things to say about Lomax, but gushing is going too far. I gushed over Keith Lee, Elliot Perry, Andre Turner, CDR, Penny and more, but not these guys.

I did have positive things to say about the players after the exhibition game. So did Calkins. I said I thought Davenport and Brewton will be good and I think I’ll be right.

In the end, you and I don’t really have anything to argue about. Unless you say something that isn’t true about how I feel about Tubby. Presently Tubby and staff aren’t getting it done on the recruiting trail. I want high level players and I want to win. If Tubby can’t do it, I want him out of here.

Joe,

Stop getting triggered and look at the facts:

Look where we are in the recruiting season; do you really think everybody else missed on this kid and now BAM has 'discovered' this great talent?

Look who else has off offered him.

**yes, we understand that occasionally you find a diamond in the rough; yes, occasionally a DJ comes along BUT YOU DONT BUILD YOUR RECRUITING CLASSES AND ROSTER AROUND THIS TYPE OF PLAYER.**

Tubby and gang are now in full panic mode. They are way behind and out there running around spewing offers to anything that can remotely fill out a uniform.

Whether they eventually land Harris or not is almost moot at this point.

THEY ARE DOING IT WRONG.

I don’t dispute anything that you posted except for me being triggered. I want high level players. Our history says we should land high level players and our facilities say we should too. I don’t understand what or why you’re arguing with me. I simply posted the info about Arop. I don’t view the kid as a program changer.
I suggest going back and reading my posts in this thread. Especially #4.

With Johnson, Nickleberry, Enoh, Azab you can't really determine how good they will be until midway through next season. That is when you will probably know exactly what you have.

With our current roster, you obviously can't wait until then because they are mostly done after next year, and Martin will also be done.

The staff got "lucky" with the 2017 class. In on them late, committed late and signed late. I can't draw too many conclusions yet, but whatever way you evaluate this class, the staff will be lucky to duplicate its quality for 2018.

So look at the 2017 class and the reality is that we will be lucky to sign a class as good. That seems a bit scary to me.

If that was lucky what would be unlucky?

Two more players rated around the same as Vanover.

(11-18-2017 11:56 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 06:52 PM)jgardne Wrote:  If that was lucky what would be unlucky?

The 2018 'class'. Even if they add Harris at this point they will still have to fill it out with leftovers..... They done effed it up.

I'm intrigued by a 7'4" guy, but our "class" being a class of one until April does not bode well for his chances for success here, unfortunately. We need a point guard and a big who can play DI basketball. Up until the Alabama game, that looked promising. Since the Little Rock game, it's looking pretty dim. I suppose things could turn around -- the season's just getting underway. I hope it happens, but it's definitely going to be an uphill struggle.

(11-18-2017 11:56 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 06:52 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 11:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 10:41 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:45 AM)bluebacker Wrote:  Joe,

Stop getting triggered and look at the facts:

Look where we are in the recruiting season; do you really think everybody else missed on this kid and now BAM has 'discovered' this great talent?

Look who else has off offered him.

**yes, we understand that occasionally you find a diamond in the rough; yes, occasionally a DJ comes along BUT YOU DONT BUILD YOUR RECRUITING CLASSES AND ROSTER AROUND THIS TYPE OF PLAYER.**

Tubby and gang are now in full panic mode. They are way behind and out there running around spewing offers to anything that can remotely fill out a uniform.

Whether they eventually land Harris or not is almost moot at this point.

THEY ARE DOING IT WRONG.

I don’t dispute anything that you posted except for me being triggered. I want high level players. Our history says we should land high level players and our facilities say we should too. I don’t understand what or why you’re arguing with me. I simply posted the info about Arop. I don’t view the kid as a program changer.
I suggest going back and reading my posts in this thread. Especially #4.

With Johnson, Nickleberry, Enoh, Azab you can't really determine how good they will be until midway through next season. That is when you will probably know exactly what you have.

With our current roster, you obviously can't wait until then because they are mostly done after next year, and Martin will also be done.

The staff got "lucky" with the 2017 class. In on them late, committed late and signed late. I can't draw too many conclusions yet, but whatever way you evaluate this class, the staff will be lucky to duplicate its quality for 2018.

So look at the 2017 class and the reality is that we will be lucky to sign a class as good. That seems a bit scary to me.

If that was lucky what would be unlucky?

The 2018 'class'. Even if they add Harris at this point they will still have to fill it out with leftovers..... They done effed it up.

Plus GopherTubby and his other brother said we were prolly gonna lose players at the end of this year 'cause we were bad fans.

(11-19-2017 07:53 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 11:56 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 06:52 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 11:18 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 10:41 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  I don’t dispute anything that you posted except for me being triggered. I want high level players. Our history says we should land high level players and our facilities say we should too. I don’t understand what or why you’re arguing with me. I simply posted the info about Arop. I don’t view the kid as a program changer.
I suggest going back and reading my posts in this thread. Especially #4.

With Johnson, Nickleberry, Enoh, Azab you can't really determine how good they will be until midway through next season. That is when you will probably know exactly what you have.

With our current roster, you obviously can't wait until then because they are mostly done after next year, and Martin will also be done.

The staff got "lucky" with the 2017 class. In on them late, committed late and signed late. I can't draw too many conclusions yet, but whatever way you evaluate this class, the staff will be lucky to duplicate its quality for 2018.

So look at the 2017 class and the reality is that we will be lucky to sign a class as good. That seems a bit scary to me.

If that was lucky what would be unlucky?

The 2018 'class'. Even if they add Harris at this point they will still have to fill it out with leftovers..... They done effed it up.

Plus GopherTubby and his other brother said we were prolly gonna lose players at the end of this year 'cause we were bad fans.

Yeah, that's it. That's the ticket. Couldn't be because the coaching staff has managed to put together a Top 150 team at a place with Top 10-15 salaries and facilities.

Per bleacher report, we have offered.

How long, O Lord?

(11-17-2017 03:18 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Stetson is a hat. That is all.

And sadly we have to battle hats for kids.

I guess that is smart to battle teams like Stetson, Murray, SEMO, and UNO because real schools were kicking our ass.

Reality is, since we did not do the work and build relationships with multiple kids in the last year and a half, it will be impossible to get in with any other top 150 kids that are available.

They literally wasted 6 months on a kid that EVERYONE but them knew was never coming here and didn't diversify on any comparable talent. This to me is the problem with this staff. They do not put in the work required, ever. It wouldn't be a problem to recruit Woodard if we were working just as hard on kids and building relationships with all of them. Every single staff but ours does this.

(11-20-2017 10:27 AM)Dylan Wrote:  Reality is, since we did not do the work and build relationships with multiple kids in the last year and a half, it will be impossible to get in with any other top 150 kids that are available.

They literally wasted 6 months on a kid that EVERYONE but them knew was never coming here and didn't diversify on any comparable talent. This to me is the problem with this staff. They do not put in the work required, ever. It wouldn't be a problem to recruit Woodard if we were working just as hard on kids and building relationships with all of them. Every single staff but ours does this.

And sadly, it's the same with this kid too.

UNO was in on him in September, then Murray State and SEMO came in during October.

Now that Memphis is at the end of its rope and have tied a knot and are hanging on, they now come waving an offer at a kid the day after they see him play one game.

No relationship built, just a "Hey, my name is Joe. Nice to meet you. Good game, and oh--here's an offer for you."