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(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:28 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Haynes is a good athlete and on ball defender. The rest is a huge work in progress right now

A bigger work in progress is the backup point guard position. One of these games Caver may not be available for one reason or another.

Im more worried about Haynes than a dude that plays 3-4 mins per game. i dont think Pinckney is that bad. If Caver gets hurt, we re done anyways

Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

Pretty sure if Caver went down, Haynes, BJ, and Green would PG by committee most minutes. Pinkney would get more minutes, but no way would be playing 30+.

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It's really interesting that we're getting this matchup, as Dayton has already played ODU this year!

Ohio Dominican that is.

They won that exhibition 79-61

http://daytonflyers.com/boxscore.aspx?pa...ll&id=8631

(11-17-2017 10:33 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  That was a pretty solid effort today and we looked like a more coherent group. We are still a competent, above average defensive team.

With that said, we shot 20% from the 3 point line, we still can't make FT's and our pace of play is still one of the slower in all of college basketball.

Also, Indiana state is NOT GOOD. They were 11-20 last year for a reason.


Temple and odu have drilled them in both tourney games they've played and while they did beat Indiana, Indiana is TERRIBLE this year, losing to seton hall by nearly 20 and losing to that ISU team by 21 and barely beating 300+ Howard at home.

In other words, while we dominated ISU, I am 100% positive they are not even going to be a 150 or better rpi team so let's please settle down on the "tourney team" talk until we beat a single solitary team that might actually BE in the NCAA tourney.

You guys always seem to lack perspective in the OOC portion of the schedule.

The announcers were saying we are a tournament team. That's where the talk is coming from. Some of us are making fun of it. Some of the more optimistic people are rolling with it.

ISU were terrible last year, but they are supposed to be better this year. They were picked to finish 4th in their conference. So it's not like these guys are a bottom of the mill team that you are trying to make them be.

Having said that too, they had plenty of open shots that if any competent team had they would have gone in and this game might have been very different.

Where are you finding that we are still the slowest team in basketball? This team seems to launch a shot before the clock hits 15 way more often than we did last year. Just wondering where you are finding that info.

Is it just me or is Green's defense really not all that great? Seems like he is slow on rotations. But I never played, so I don't know.

If his defense is subpar, isn't he another walking-breathing argument that JJ will play talented players even if their defense isn't superb?

(11-18-2017 07:26 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:28 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Haynes is a good athlete and on ball defender. The rest is a huge work in progress right now

A bigger work in progress is the backup point guard position. One of these games Caver may not be available for one reason or another.

Im more worried about Haynes than a dude that plays 3-4 mins per game. i dont think Pinckney is that bad. If Caver gets hurt, we re done anyways

Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

Pretty sure if Caver went down, Haynes, BJ, and Green would PG by committee most minutes. Pinkney would get more minutes, but no way would be playing 30+.

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Agreed. I think BJ has some great ball handling. And Green is probably there too, he will just need more experience.

(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:28 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Haynes is a good athlete and on ball defender. The rest is a huge work in progress right now

A bigger work in progress is the backup point guard position. One of these games Caver may not be available for one reason or another.

Im more worried about Haynes than a dude that plays 3-4 mins per game. i dont think Pinckney is that bad. If Caver gets hurt, we re done anyways

Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

(11-18-2017 09:10 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Is it just me or is Green's defense really not all that great? Seems like he is slow on rotations. But I never played, so I don't know.

If his defense is subpar, isn't he another walking-breathing argument that JJ will play talented players even if their defense isn't superb?

Green gets lost on defense. Our defensive system is tough and it typically takes some guys time to grasp it. High schoolers dont play defense. Godwin and Green have good size and strength; if they want to, they will be good defenders. Huiet prolly needs to bulk up a bit.

(11-18-2017 09:07 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:33 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  That was a pretty solid effort today and we looked like a more coherent group. We are still a competent, above average defensive team.

With that said, we shot 20% from the 3 point line, we still can't make FT's and our pace of play is still one of the slower in all of college basketball.

Also, Indiana state is NOT GOOD. They were 11-20 last year for a reason.


Temple and odu have drilled them in both tourney games they've played and while they did beat Indiana, Indiana is TERRIBLE this year, losing to seton hall by nearly 20 and losing to that ISU team by 21 and barely beating 300+ Howard at home.

In other words, while we dominated ISU, I am 100% positive they are not even going to be a 150 or better rpi team so let's please settle down on the "tourney team" talk until we beat a single solitary team that might actually BE in the NCAA tourney.

You guys always seem to lack perspective in the OOC portion of the schedule.

The announcers were saying we are a tournament team. That's where the talk is coming from. Some of us are making fun of it. Some of the more optimistic people are rolling with it.

ISU were terrible last year, but they are supposed to be better this year. They were picked to finish 4th in their conference. So it's not like these guys are a bottom of the mill team that you are trying to make them be.

Having said that too, they had plenty of open shots that if any competent team had they would have gone in and this game might have been very different.

Where are you finding that we are still the slowest team in basketball? This team seems to launch a shot before the clock hits 15 way more often than we did last year. Just wondering where you are finding that info.

Kenpom has us 350th out of 351 in adjusted tempo.

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(11-18-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:28 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Haynes is a good athlete and on ball defender. The rest is a huge work in progress right now

A bigger work in progress is the backup point guard position. One of these games Caver may not be available for one reason or another.

Im more worried about Haynes than a dude that plays 3-4 mins per game. i dont think Pinckney is that bad. If Caver gets hurt, we re done anyways

Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Speaks volumes about the depth of this team if you feel like losing any one of those three players ends our season, especially considering we play in a garbage conference.

Using Kenpom, we are averaging 5.5 possessions more per game right now. That’s a significant increase from our average last year. However, early season games tend to be played at a higher pace, as conference foes always look to grind each other out. It’ll be interesting to see if we continue to try to play at our current pace or if we slow it down against more familiar opponents on conference.

(11-18-2017 10:29 AM)jasdf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:28 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  A bigger work in progress is the backup point guard position. One of these games Caver may not be available for one reason or another.

Im more worried about Haynes than a dude that plays 3-4 mins per game. i dont think Pinckney is that bad. If Caver gets hurt, we re done anyways

Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Speaks volumes about the depth of this team if you feel like losing any one of those three players ends our season, especially considering we play in a garbage conference.

I think most midmajor teams would feel this way.

(11-18-2017 10:36 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 10:29 AM)jasdf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Im more worried about Haynes than a dude that plays 3-4 mins per game. i dont think Pinckney is that bad. If Caver gets hurt, we re done anyways

Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Speaks volumes about the depth of this team if you feel like losing any one of those three players ends our season, especially considering we play in a garbage conference.

I think most midmajor teams would feel this way.

you're probably right friend, but considering the quality of our conference i just feel like we should still be able to compete even with one injured player. which it's entirely possible that we still could, hopefully everyone stays healthy and we only have to wonder about that possibility because i certainly think we can win this crappy conference

(11-18-2017 10:02 AM)devyanks90 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:07 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:33 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  That was a pretty solid effort today and we looked like a more coherent group. We are still a competent, above average defensive team.

With that said, we shot 20% from the 3 point line, we still can't make FT's and our pace of play is still one of the slower in all of college basketball.

Also, Indiana state is NOT GOOD. They were 11-20 last year for a reason.


Temple and odu have drilled them in both tourney games they've played and while they did beat Indiana, Indiana is TERRIBLE this year, losing to seton hall by nearly 20 and losing to that ISU team by 21 and barely beating 300+ Howard at home.

In other words, while we dominated ISU, I am 100% positive they are not even going to be a 150 or better rpi team so let's please settle down on the "tourney team" talk until we beat a single solitary team that might actually BE in the NCAA tourney.

You guys always seem to lack perspective in the OOC portion of the schedule.

The announcers were saying we are a tournament team. That's where the talk is coming from. Some of us are making fun of it. Some of the more optimistic people are rolling with it.

ISU were terrible last year, but they are supposed to be better this year. They were picked to finish 4th in their conference. So it's not like these guys are a bottom of the mill team that you are trying to make them be.

Having said that too, they had plenty of open shots that if any competent team had they would have gone in and this game might have been very different.

Where are you finding that we are still the slowest team in basketball? This team seems to launch a shot before the clock hits 15 way more often than we did last year. Just wondering where you are finding that info.

Kenpom has us 350th out of 351 in adjusted tempo.

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At this point in the season kenpom relies heavily on previous season's information.

(11-18-2017 10:29 AM)jasdf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:28 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  A bigger work in progress is the backup point guard position. One of these games Caver may not be available for one reason or another.

Im more worried about Haynes than a dude that plays 3-4 mins per game. i dont think Pinckney is that bad. If Caver gets hurt, we re done anyways

Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Speaks volumes about the depth of this team if you feel like losing any one of those three players ends our season, especially considering we play in a garbage conference.

Caver is our best player. I think if any school loses their best player, they wouldn't feel too good about the rest of the season.

(11-18-2017 10:45 AM)jasdf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 10:36 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 10:29 AM)jasdf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Speaks volumes about the depth of this team if you feel like losing any one of those three players ends our season, especially considering we play in a garbage conference.

I think most midmajor teams would feel this way.

you're probably right friend, but considering the quality of our conference i just feel like we should still be able to compete even with one injured player. which it's entirely possible that we still could, hopefully everyone stays healthy and we only have to wonder about that possibility because i certainly think we can win this crappy conference

We already have 2 players out for the season

You are right, I had forgotten about that.

(11-18-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:28 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 09:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Haynes is a good athlete and on ball defender. The rest is a huge work in progress right now

A bigger work in progress is the backup point guard position. One of these games Caver may not be available for one reason or another.

Im more worried about Haynes than a dude that plays 3-4 mins per game. i dont think Pinckney is that bad. If Caver gets hurt, we re done anyways

Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Baker played meaningful minutes for 2 or 3 seasons under Jones without scoring much because of his defense. If Randy's scoring remains suspect then he can be viewed as Baker's defensive replacement in Jones' defense first line up.

Is Haynes going to be this season's Travis Fields for you where every post has a negative jab directed at him? There is lots of individual improvement to be had throughout the entire team.

(11-18-2017 10:29 AM)jasdf Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:29 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:42 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:28 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  A bigger work in progress is the backup point guard position. One of these games Caver may not be available for one reason or another.

Im more worried about Haynes than a dude that plays 3-4 mins per game. i dont think Pinckney is that bad. If Caver gets hurt, we re done anyways

Ummm, that's why the backup point guard is the bigger issue than Haynes' scoring. ODU can easily substitute for Haynes. Not so much for Caver.

I dont view like that. That is a what if. If Stith or Porter gets hurt, we are done. If BJ gets hurt, we might be done.

Haynes is someone that is expected to play meaningful minutes.

Speaks volumes about the depth of this team if you feel like losing any one of those three players ends our season, especially considering we play in a garbage conference.

How would Duke fare without Allen? Nova without Brunson? Teams dont have depth nowadays.

(11-18-2017 11:14 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 10:02 AM)devyanks90 Wrote:  

(11-18-2017 09:07 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 10:33 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  That was a pretty solid effort today and we looked like a more coherent group. We are still a competent, above average defensive team.

With that said, we shot 20% from the 3 point line, we still can't make FT's and our pace of play is still one of the slower in all of college basketball.

Also, Indiana state is NOT GOOD. They were 11-20 last year for a reason.


Temple and odu have drilled them in both tourney games they've played and while they did beat Indiana, Indiana is TERRIBLE this year, losing to seton hall by nearly 20 and losing to that ISU team by 21 and barely beating 300+ Howard at home.

In other words, while we dominated ISU, I am 100% positive they are not even going to be a 150 or better rpi team so let's please settle down on the "tourney team" talk until we beat a single solitary team that might actually BE in the NCAA tourney.

You guys always seem to lack perspective in the OOC portion of the schedule.

The announcers were saying we are a tournament team. That's where the talk is coming from. Some of us are making fun of it. Some of the more optimistic people are rolling with it.

ISU were terrible last year, but they are supposed to be better this year. They were picked to finish 4th in their conference. So it's not like these guys are a bottom of the mill team that you are trying to make them be.

Having said that too, they had plenty of open shots that if any competent team had they would have gone in and this game might have been very different.

Where are you finding that we are still the slowest team in basketball? This team seems to launch a shot before the clock hits 15 way more often than we did last year. Just wondering where you are finding that info.

Kenpom has us 350th out of 351 in adjusted tempo.

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At this point in the season kenpom relies heavily on previous season's information.

For team ranking yes, not for statistical.

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