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Tianna Tarter breaks nose in lose to Tennnessee
Tianna got nailed with a hard elbow to the face in the first quarter against Tennessee, breaking her nose and costing her six stitches. The score was 9-6 in favor of UT at the time. Without Tarter the Vols breezed to an 87-49 win. She tried to return to the game but doctors (of course) did not permit
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No flagrant foul was called.

It's not clear what affect this will have on Tarter's ability to play tonight's game against Appy State.
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(11-15-2017 07:10 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  Tianna got nailed with a hard elbow to the face in the first quarter against Tennessee, breaking her nose and costing her six stitches. The score was 9-6 in favor of UT at the time. Without Tarter the Vols breezed to an 87-49 win. She tried to return to the game but doctors (of course) did not permit
http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Basketba...-Lady-Vols

No flagrant foul was called.

It's not clear what affect this will have on Tarter's ability to play tonight's game against Appy State.

How was that not a foul? I realize it was unintentional, but aren't most of them unintentional? Thought that was the definition of a flagrant 1.
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I'm not sure if she got nailed, or if Tiana just happened to run into the gal's elbow. I was watching on my phone and not paying super close attention, but I don't think the other player was actually moving her elbow when it happened. Now I could be wrong, but I think it was just really bad timing more than something that could have been a foul. And it sucks.
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RE: Tianna Tarter breaks nose in lose to Tennnessee
(11-15-2017 09:22 AM)Efan Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 07:10 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  Tianna got nailed with a hard elbow to the face in the first quarter against Tennessee, breaking her nose and costing her six stitches. The score was 9-6 in favor of UT at the time. Without Tarter the Vols breezed to an 87-49 win. She tried to return to the game but doctors (of course) did not permit
http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Basketba...-Lady-Vols

No flagrant foul was called.

It's not clear what affect this will have on Tarter's ability to play tonight's game against Appy State.

How was that not a foul? I realize it was unintentional, but aren't most of them unintentional? Thought that was the definition of a flagrant 1.

OF COURSE it wasn't a flagrant foul. The UT player was driving towards the lane, and Tarter reached into her 'space' trying to poke the ball away, or slap it, or something. The UT player had both hands on the ball, and wasn't even looking at Tianna. It was incidental contact. In no way was it an intentional foul, much less flagrant. I'm frankly shocked anyone would imagine that. If *anything*, it could have been a foul on Tarter, but they're not gonna call that. Just one of those things.
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(11-15-2017 10:56 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 09:22 AM)Efan Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 07:10 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  Tianna got nailed with a hard elbow to the face in the first quarter against Tennessee, breaking her nose and costing her six stitches. The score was 9-6 in favor of UT at the time. Without Tarter the Vols breezed to an 87-49 win. She tried to return to the game but doctors (of course) did not permit
http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Basketba...-Lady-Vols

No flagrant foul was called.

It's not clear what affect this will have on Tarter's ability to play tonight's game against Appy State.

How was that not a foul? I realize it was unintentional, but aren't most of them unintentional? Thought that was the definition of a flagrant 1.

OF COURSE it wasn't a flagrant foul. The UT player was driving towards the lane, and Tarter reached into her 'space' trying to poke the ball away, or slap it, or something. The UT player had both hands on the ball, and wasn't even looking at Tianna. It was incidental contact. In no way was it an intentional foul, much less flagrant. I'm frankly shocked anyone would imagine that. If *anything*, it could have been a foul on Tarter, but they're not gonna call that. Just one of those things.

Wow. What a response. I guess I'm an idiot then. I didn't see her "reaching" in her space, but I would have to watch the replay, which I really don't care to take the time to do. I remember Tianna standing there as the UT player went up to the basket and as she was moving her elbows, caught Tianna in the face. I don't think it's quite as cut and dry as you seem to.

Here's the definition I found for flagrant foul:
In basketball, a flagrant foul is a serious personal foul. A foul is considered flagrant when it involves excessive or violent contact that could injure the fouled player. A flagrant foul may be unintentional or purposeful; the latter type is simultaneously known as an "intentional foul" in the NBA.

The way I understand it, a flagrant 1 is not intentional, a flagrant 2 is. I'll readily admit I don't understand many details about the game, and am not much more than a casual fan. However, based on your response, I seem to have a better understanding of this type of foul than you do. The question seems to be whether she leaned in or not. I only watched it once, and may not remember that exactly right, but that's the real question here.
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RE: Tianna Tarter breaks nose in lose to Tennnessee
(11-15-2017 04:15 PM)Efan Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 10:56 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 09:22 AM)Efan Wrote:  
(11-15-2017 07:10 AM)swvabucsfan Wrote:  Tianna got nailed with a hard elbow to the face in the first quarter against Tennessee, breaking her nose and costing her six stitches. The score was 9-6 in favor of UT at the time. Without Tarter the Vols breezed to an 87-49 win. She tried to return to the game but doctors (of course) did not permit
http://www.johnsoncitypress.com/Basketba...-Lady-Vols

No flagrant foul was called.

It's not clear what affect this will have on Tarter's ability to play tonight's game against Appy State.

How was that not a foul? I realize it was unintentional, but aren't most of them unintentional? Thought that was the definition of a flagrant 1.

OF COURSE it wasn't a flagrant foul. The UT player was driving towards the lane, and Tarter reached into her 'space' trying to poke the ball away, or slap it, or something. The UT player had both hands on the ball, and wasn't even looking at Tianna. It was incidental contact. In no way was it an intentional foul, much less flagrant. I'm frankly shocked anyone would imagine that. If *anything*, it could have been a foul on Tarter, but they're not gonna call that. Just one of those things.

Wow. What a response. I guess I'm an idiot then. I didn't see her "reaching" in her space, but I would have to watch the replay, which I really don't care to take the time to do. I remember Tianna standing there as the UT player went up to the basket and as she was moving her elbows, caught Tianna in the face. I don't think it's quite as cut and dry as you seem to.

Here's the definition I found for flagrant foul:
In basketball, a flagrant foul is a serious personal foul. A foul is considered flagrant when it involves excessive or violent contact that could injure the fouled player. A flagrant foul may be unintentional or purposeful; the latter type is simultaneously known as an "intentional foul" in the NBA.

The way I understand it, a flagrant 1 is not intentional, a flagrant 2 is. I'll readily admit I don't understand many details about the game, and am not much more than a casual fan. However, based on your response, I seem to have a better understanding of this type of foul than you do. The question seems to be whether she leaned in or not. I only watched it once, and may not remember that exactly right, but that's the real question here.

No offense, but I could tell you're not a deep student of the game - and nothing wrong with that. I only watched it once, too, and just now tried a little bit to find video of it, to no avail. It's probably available somewhere, but it eludes me. Maybe I shouldn't be quite so harsh on your assessment, but it truly was incidental. Can incidental contact be a foul? Sure. I just didn't see how this was one. Just a nose and an elbow that happened to both want to occupy the same space-time coordinates.

Maybe "reaching into her space" is a slight exaggeration, or maybe not. That's the way I remember it. It wasn't like she was protruding her face into the UT girl. But the UT girl also wasn't swinging elbows or anything that could remotely be construed as aggressive towards Tarter. She was focused on going down the lane - or initiating that process.

Besides playing the game for decades, at a pretty high level, I've also done some officiating and coaching (neither at a high level, but I had to know the rule book) - but admittedly that was before the concept of "flagrant foul" was 'invented'. However, I did watch a few tutorials online a year or so after those rules were implemented. I certainly don't claim to be an expert, although like many on here have closely observed many rulings on slow-mo tv replays.

Sorry if I was too strident in my response. Nothing personal. I probably *do* take the game too seriously - or at least ETSU basketball. I sometimes get mildly irritated(?) when there are posters on this board, especially during the game, who clearly aren't savvy to the nuances of all sorts of stuff. But I need to just leave that stuff alone. This board is for everyone - except those who have (righteously) "earned" their bans. So although I think was assessment was correct, apologies for being so strong in my reaction.
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Oh, and I also meant to include this:

"Show me a kid tougher than Tianna Tarter"
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No offense, but I could tell you're not a deep student of the game - and nothing wrong with that. I only watched it once, too, and just now tried a little bit to find video of it, to no avail. It's probably available somewhere, but it eludes me. Maybe I shouldn't be quite so harsh on your assessment, but it truly was incidental. Can incidental contact be a foul? Sure. I just didn't see how this was one. Just a nose and an elbow that happened to both want to occupy the same space-time coordinates.

Maybe "reaching into her space" is a slight exaggeration, or maybe not. That's the way I remember it. It wasn't like she was protruding her face into the UT girl. But the UT girl also wasn't swinging elbows or anything that could remotely be construed as aggressive towards Tarter. She was focused on going down the lane - or initiating that process.

Besides playing the game for decades, at a pretty high level, I've also done some officiating and coaching (neither at a high level, but I had to know the rule book) - but admittedly that was before the concept of "flagrant foul" was 'invented'. However, I did watch a few tutorials online a year or so after those rules were implemented. I certainly don't claim to be an expert, although like many on here have closely observed many rulings on slow-mo tv replays.

Sorry if I was too strident in my response. Nothing personal. I probably *do* take the game too seriously - or at least ETSU basketball. I sometimes get mildly irritated(?) when there are posters on this board, especially during the game, who clearly aren't savvy to the nuances of all sorts of stuff. But I need to just leave that stuff alone. This board is for everyone - except those who have (righteously) "earned" their bans. So although I think was assessment was correct, apologies for being so strong in my reaction.
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No problem, apology accepted. I was able to find the video because I wanted to learn and understand this. I went back and watched it, and she definitely wasn't reaching in but she turned her head about the time the elbow came through and ended up with a cut and broken nose.

I will say that I've also seen similar things called flagrant fouls and there's a fine line there. Flagrant 1's are, by every definition I've seen, unintentional, and since they did not show a slow-mo or up close replay, it was really hard to tell who did what, either swinging elbows or leaning heads. More often than not though, when another player breaks an opponent's nose, a flagrant foul is called.

I never played much and certainly haven't officiated, I just like watching and have been learning more over time. And we all know calls are missed every day. I thought this could be another one.
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If a link to that video is easily available, I'd like to see it again, too. If not, no big deal, but thanks.
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(11-16-2017 11:24 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  If a link to that video is easily available, I'd like to see it again, too. If not, no big deal, but thanks.

I watched it on the watch ESPN app from my phone. If you have that, it should be pretty easy to find. Not easy to provide a link to though.
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I've said this before but it bears repeating: This last recruiting class shows every sign of being exceptional. The canyon between Haynes-Overton and, say, the Marosite twins, couldn't be any more stark (not disparaging them). Similarly, Alayja Sherer is showing signs of an all-conference career. I'm told that these 4 early signees are talented as well. Something's brewing here.

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(11-16-2017 06:20 PM)Bucfaithful Wrote:  I've said this before but it bears repeating: This last recruiting class shows every sign of being exceptional. The canyon between Haynes-Overton and, say, the Marosite twins, couldn't be any more stark (not disparaging them). Similarly, Alayja Sherer is showing signs of an all-conference career. I'm told that these 4 early signees are talented as well. Something's brewing here.

http://www.etsubucs.com/wbasketball/news...ng-period/

It's pretty obvious the scheduling of power five opponents by Ezell is tremendously helping on the recruiting trail, not too mention she's a great coach. I wish the men could schedule high major opponents easier!
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(11-16-2017 05:32 PM)Efan Wrote:  
(11-16-2017 11:24 AM)posterformerlyknownasthedoctor Wrote:  If a link to that video is easily available, I'd like to see it again, too. If not, no big deal, but thanks.

I watched it on the watch ESPN app from my phone. If you have that, it should be pretty easy to find. Not easy to provide a link to though.

No, I don't "do" apps, but thanks anyway. I did look on ESPN's web site per se, but couldn't find it there.
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Bucs smack TTU. You have got to see freshman phenom Erica Haynes-Overtown!


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This *be* some madness right here!

Tianna be looking all mad 'n' stuff

If I'm an opposing guard, I'm not wantin' none of that. Just sayin'.
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