Players ranked between 75-150. Players you don't have to pay, who presumably don't have handlers or a posse and don't have the ranking that would allow for parents to meddle too much.

These players still get signed by the bluebloods, but not only the bluebloods.

Northwestern (3)
Northern Iowa
Rutgers
Cal
Rhode Island
Virginia Tech
Princeton
Dayton
Georgia
Milwaukee
TCU (2)
Houston
UNLV (2)
Utah
Harvard (2)
Creighton
Iowa State (2)
SMU
Colorado State
Purdue (2)
Wake Forest
South Alabama
Buffalo
Georgia State

You can argue that we have a better program than all 24 schools listed, and if you want to nit pick, you can at least argue that we are as good as all of them.

This is the type of player Tubby was recruiting at Minnesota, the school that a handful of you are screaming about not being as good a job as Memphis.

I don't think he has a target. Money grab

I don't know what he thought when he came here and I don't know what the guys who hired him thought they were getting.

Maybe Tubby thought the Memphis name combined with his name would = recruits beating down the door to get in.

I do think it is safe to say that nobody is happy and everyone is disappointed. It doesn't appear to be turning out to anyone's satisfaction.

This may be the worst set of recruiters in the history of Memphis basketball. Frankly, with all of the advantages its almost hard to imagine how they manage to be so bad.

Mark Giannotto's podcast was sobering when he talked about recruiting and how the Memphis staff is oblivious to what they are doing.

G said he was talking to someone connected to Lomax in April and that guy told G there was no way Lomax was going to Memphis because the talent at Memphis (Lawsons just left) was no good.

G also told a story about Woodard this summer and was talking to someone familiar with Woodard and that person said he was a lock to MSU.

Memphis went after and spent time on Donsumu--who they had basically no chance while they ignored Tyler.

I have also seen several instances where BAM would see some 4* top 50 type at an AAU show and, with zero previous work, just offer a kid. As if just walking up to some kid who has no previous relation and handing him a Memphis offer is going to overcome months or years of work by other programs.

Just goofy stuff.

(11-17-2017 11:37 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Mark Giannotto's podcast was sobering when he talk about recruiting and how the Memphis staff is oblivious to what they are going.

G said he was talking to someone connected to Lomax in April and that guy told G there was no way Lomax was going to Memphis because the talent at Memphis (Lawsons just left) was no good.

G also told a story about Woodard this summer and was talking to someone familiar with Woodard and that person said he was a lock to MSU.

Memphis went after and spent time on Donsumu--who they had basically no chance while they ignored Tyler.

I have also see several instances where BAM would see some 4* top 50 type at an AAU show and, with zero previous work, just offer a kid. As if just walking up to some kid who has no previous relation and handing him a Memphis offer is going to overcome months or years of work by other programs.

Just goofy stuff.

Yeah, goofy is a really good way to describe this coaching staff.

(11-17-2017 11:37 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Mark Giannotto's podcast was sobering when he talked about recruiting and how the Memphis staff is oblivious to what they are doing.

G said he was talking to someone connected to Lomax in April and that guy told G there was no way Lomax was going to Memphis because the talent at Memphis (Lawsons just left) was no good.

G also told a story about Woodard this summer and was talking to someone familiar with Woodard and that person said he was a lock to MSU.

Memphis went after and spent time on Donsumu--who they had basically no chance while they ignored Tyler.

I have also seen several instances where BAM would see some 4* top 50 type at an AAU show and, with zero previous work, just offer a kid. As if just walking up to some kid who has no previous relation and handing him a Memphis offer is going to overcome months or years of work by other programs.

Just goofy stuff.

There are two ways of going about it that seem to work. Having a head coach who is so completely relentless that they will go after a large number of targets, and just through sheer numbers, will wear down a few good recruits every year.

Then you have the staff that works like crazy and a coach who is charismatic who will swoop in and close the deal. Pastner was example 1 when he was here, and Pastner was part of example 2 when he worked for Lute Olsen and Cal.

What never works is having a lazy staff working for a lazy coach who has no charisma.

I have said it a few times and I will say it again. Tubby's process is the path of least resistance. There are TONS of players in the top 150 who are Tubby's players the same way that players not in the top 150 are Tubby's players. The problem with top 150 players is that you have to work hard to get them and that is a no no with Tubby and his staff.

The process is to offer guys outside of the top 150; players that don't have other good offers or players with good offers that are obviously going to be down on the depth chart if they take that good offer. What you are left with is players where Memphis is their best offer AND you can argue convincingly that they can get playing time right away if they sign here. The best thing about players like this is that it takes much less work to convince them to sign with you.

THAT is Tubby's process.

Recruiting is hard.

His process is chaos with nobody on the same page..that's what it seems like to me. shrug

Joe Esposito is a hard worker, unfortunately he is not a good recruiter. Maybe if he spent a few seasons under a coach who wasn't a tub of laziness, he could learn the right way to do things. Unfortunately, he will never learn under the Tub and will always be a bit out of touch.

And Pierre cannot leave the campus.
This is a mess.

(11-14-2017 11:49 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Players ranked between 75-150. Players you don't have to pay, who presumably don't have handlers or a posse and don't have the ranking that would allow for parents to meddle too much.

These players still get signed by the bluebloods, but not only the bluebloods.

Northwestern (3)
Northern Iowa
Rutgers
Cal
Rhode Island
Virginia Tech
Princeton
Dayton
Georgia
Milwaukee
TCU (2)
Houston
UNLV (2)
Utah
Harvard (2)
Creighton
Iowa State (2)
SMU
Colorado State
Purdue (2)
Wake Forest
South Alabama
Buffalo
Georgia State

You can argue that we have a better program than all 24 schools listed, and if you want to nit pick, you can at least argue that we are as good as all of them.

This is the type of player Tubby was recruiting at Minnesota, the school that a handful of you are screaming about not being as good a job as Memphis.

Unfortunately Orlando was called for targeting and is not allowed to recruit this season.

Well you have to find some excuse for this pathetic showing.

(11-17-2017 09:49 AM)Downtown Tiger Wrote:  I don't think he has a target. Money grab

His ONLY targets are PINS ------MONEY GRAB.

(11-17-2017 12:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(11-17-2017 11:37 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Mark Giannotto's podcast was sobering when he talked about recruiting and how the Memphis staff is oblivious to what they are doing.

G said he was talking to someone connected to Lomax in April and that guy told G there was no way Lomax was going to Memphis because the talent at Memphis (Lawsons just left) was no good.

G also told a story about Woodard this summer and was talking to someone familiar with Woodard and that person said he was a lock to MSU.

Memphis went after and spent time on Donsumu--who they had basically no chance while they ignored Tyler.

I have also seen several instances where BAM would see some 4* top 50 type at an AAU show and, with zero previous work, just offer a kid. As if just walking up to some kid who has no previous relation and handing him a Memphis offer is going to overcome months or years of work by other programs.

Just goofy stuff.

There are two ways of going about it that seem to work. Having a head coach who is so completely relentless that they will go after a large number of targets, and just through sheer numbers, will wear down a few good recruits every year.

Then you have the staff that works like crazy and a coach who is charismatic who will swoop in and close the deal. Pastner was example 1 when he was here, and Pastner was part of example 2 when he worked for Lute Olsen and Cal.

What never works is having a lazy staff working for a lazy coach who has no charisma.

I have said it a few times and I will say it again. Tubby's process is the path of least resistance. There are TONS of players in the top 150 who are Tubby's players the same way that players not in the top 150 are Tubby's players. The problem with top 150 players is that you have to work hard to get them and that is a no no with Tubby and his staff.

The process is to offer guys outside of the top 150; players that don't have other good offers or players with good offers that are obviously going to be down on the depth chart if they take that good offer. What you are left with is players where Memphis is their best offer AND you can argue convincingly that they can get playing time right away if they sign here. The best thing about players like this is that it takes much less work to convince them to sign with you.

THAT is Tubby's process.

Stammers,

As much as I wish you are wrong...

You are exactly right

You’ve always had a good pulse on Tiger Basketball reality.

I really wanted to support a legend in the basketball world. But the game seems to be past Coach Smith.

(11-17-2017 11:37 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  I have also seen several instances where BAM would see some 4* top 50 type at an AAU show and, with zero previous work, just offer a kid. As if just walking up to some kid who has no previous relation and handing him a Memphis offer is going to overcome months or years of work by other programs.

It's all about a firm handshake

lol

Juco's seem to be his targets.

(11-21-2017 04:46 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  Juco's seem to be his targets.

Not just any jucos tho

Juco all Americans!!!!!