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RE: What Will It Take to Fire Tubby After This Season?
If the AD forces Tubby to fire every assistant and approve all potential hires then Tubby will likely quit.

No more spoon feeding Saul.

Saul has not produced any significant recruit.

Force Saul out and Tubby will likely follow
12-13-2017 11:10 PM
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RE: What Will It Take to Fire Tubby After This Season?
(12-13-2017 11:10 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  If the AD forces Tubby to fire every assistant and approve all potential hires then Tubby will likely quit.

No more spoon feeding Saul.

Saul has not produced any significant recruit.

Force Saul out and Tubby will likely follow

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RE: What Will It Take to Fire Tubby After This Season?
(12-13-2017 11:10 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  If the AD forces Tubby to fire every assistant and approve all potential hires then Tubby will likely quit.

No more spoon feeding Saul.

Saul has not produced any significant recruit.

Force Saul out and Tubby will likely follow

I like the idea assuming it is allowed by his contract and does not make it more difficult to hire a quality replacement.
12-14-2017 07:19 AM
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RE: What Will It Take to Fire Tubby After This Season?
(12-13-2017 11:10 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  If the AD forces Tubby to fire every assistant and approve all potential hires then Tubby will likely quit.

No more spoon feeding Saul.

Saul has not produced any significant recruit.

Force Saul out and Tubby will likely follow

Disfunctional and weak. Fire a guy if needed. Playing games makes you look like a child and you lose control.
12-14-2017 08:00 AM
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RE: What Will It Take to Fire Tubby After This Season?
(12-13-2017 07:51 PM)TOGC Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 03:35 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 11:28 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 11:21 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 06:23 PM)TOGC Wrote:  Tubby still has over $9M owed to him over the next three years.

The University is paying Norvell close to that for the next few years.

To get rid of Tubby, they'd have to pay him the remainder of his contract, and then come up with another $3M per year on top of that to pay for his replacement. Probably more, because most good coaches would avoid the place after the way the fans treated Tubby while he was here.

Quit beating a dead horse. Tubby isn't going anywhere. Show up at the games and cheer for the kids with "Memphis" on their jersies.

Probably true. Unless someone with strong ties and an interesting resume were willing to give us a hometown discount for a few years until we get out from under the Tubby contract and the Pastner settlement.

Also likely that the Tubby contract could be negotiated to less than full value for a lump sum buyout.

Why would he do that? This will be Tubs last job (assuming one considers him actually working currently) and he won't leave $$ on the table.

To get paid a lot of money to walk away - get a fat check and start retirement early. (I know I've teed that up, but trying to have an adult discussion.)
To leave with dignity in tact. Retired, not fired, or not renewed. Leave on his terms.
To get out of an unpleasant situation.

People settle all the time. It could be put like this. "This isn't working for you or for the university. Unfortunately, we do not have the funding to buy you outright. So, we can play this out for 2 more years. You will not be renewed, so whatever recruiting you have will be impossible. You will take a lot of losses and your HOF legacy will be tarnished. You will also be required to make changes on your AC staff - starting with Saul. And we are all going to get skewered in the media. Or, we will pay you $x today to walk away. You can announce your retirement and that you will be consulting with the school (Fulmer style) - however you want to frame it."

A lot here said Pastner would never take less than full contract value - but he did in the end.

1. Tubby doesn't need the money. In 26 years, he's proabably stashed away quite a bit.
2. His HOF legacy will be just fine. He will get in no problem at all.
3. Josh was offered a lucrative contract at GT and we paid $1.5M on top of that.

Tubby's not going anywhere. Get used to it.

1. Tubby doesn't need the money. Yet another reason to give a discount to walk away clean from a toxic situation.
2. His HOF legacy will be tarnished if his last 4ish years of coaching shows significant deterioration every year. Probably still gets in, but a 4-year decline is definitely worse than a 2-year. And it's obvious recruiting is not going to get better. So the losses will grow.
3. Josh still settled to get out of our contract. He could have held us for full value. He did not. Point is - people settle.

So you didn't really counter anything. Got anything else?
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RE: What Will It Take to Fire Tubby After This Season?
(12-13-2017 08:54 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 11:21 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(12-11-2017 06:23 PM)TOGC Wrote:  Tubby still has over $9M owed to him over the next three years.

The University is paying Norvell close to that for the next few years.

To get rid of Tubby, they'd have to pay him the remainder of his contract, and then come up with another $3M per year on top of that to pay for his replacement. Probably more, because most good coaches would avoid the place after the way the fans treated Tubby while he was here.

Quit beating a dead horse. Tubby isn't going anywhere. Show up at the games and cheer for the kids with "Memphis" on their jersies.

Probably true. Unless someone with strong ties and an interesting resume were willing to give us a hometown discount for a few years until we get out from under the Tubby contract and the Pastner settlement.

Also likely that the Tubby contract could be negotiated to less than full value for a lump sum buyout.

You have had posters, myself included give you the same response as Saluki a few times and you choose to ignore it. Your argument is nonsense and you refuse to acknowledge it.

IF we sacked Tubby at the end of this season, paid the new coach $2 million per year and that coach was able to get 9,000 fans excited enough to buy tickets AND could recruit...

The program would come out millions of dollars and 5 years ahead compared to where it will be if Tubby is allowed to completely demolish the program and turn us into Houston or DePaul.

Again, you're in left field. Talking about something and quoting a different thread.

If you're talking about the exchange with Saluki - which was a grownup exchange with no personal shots - then quote the Saluki exchange.

He asked why Tubby would do it, I laid out logical reasons of why someone would do it. Not sure why this agitates you. Tubby may or may not do it. But it's plausible enough to consider it.

The finances of an outright firing are part 2 of this process. Maybe it works - maybe it doesn't. But part 1 is definitely to consider a negotiated settlement.

People settle. All the time. If you refuse to acknowledge that, then you're so wrong that there's no reason to have a discussion with you on this topic.
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RE: What Will It Take to Fire Tubby After This Season?
(12-13-2017 11:10 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  If the AD forces Tubby to fire every assistant and approve all potential hires then Tubby will likely quit.

No more spoon feeding Saul.

Saul has not produced any significant recruit.

Force Saul out and Tubby will likely follow

Hey, from what I can tell the only reason Tubby is still coaching is to keep his kid employed. My point about why this won't happen is that the dynamics of such a situation involve unknown boosters who are paying Tubby's salary and how they would feel about such a thing.
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RE: What Will It Take to Fire Tubby After This Season?
(12-13-2017 11:10 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  If the AD forces Tubby to fire every assistant and approve all potential hires then Tubby will likely quit.

No more spoon feeding Saul.

Saul has not produced any significant recruit.

Force Saul out and Tubby will likely follow

I realize Saul is bad but the other two don’t seem to be setting the world on fire.
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RE: What Will It Take to Fire Tubby After This Season?
(12-15-2017 09:41 AM)Tiger57 Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 11:10 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  If the AD forces Tubby to fire every assistant and approve all potential hires then Tubby will likely quit.

No more spoon feeding Saul.

Saul has not produced any significant recruit.

Force Saul out and Tubby will likely follow

I realize Saul is bad but the other two don’t seem to be setting the world on fire.

This is what I don't understand...

Pooh has done what...About the same as Saul.

Why does Pooh get a pass yet Saul gets hammered.
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RE: What Will It Take to Fire Tubby After This Season?
(12-15-2017 09:58 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-15-2017 09:41 AM)Tiger57 Wrote:  
(12-13-2017 11:10 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  If the AD forces Tubby to fire every assistant and approve all potential hires then Tubby will likely quit.

No more spoon feeding Saul.

Saul has not produced any significant recruit.

Force Saul out and Tubby will likely follow

I realize Saul is bad but the other two don’t seem to be setting the world on fire.

This is what I don't understand...

Pooh has done what...About the same as Saul.

Why does Pooh get a pass yet Saul gets hammered.

Isn’t Pooh in charge of local recruiting ?
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